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On April 21 2018 07:15 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 07:08 Gahlo wrote:On April 21 2018 07:07 IyMoon wrote:On April 21 2018 06:52 Mohdoo wrote:On April 21 2018 06:02 IyMoon wrote:On April 21 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:
Another state right to work state is faced with a teachers over education funding. We should not expect this to stop and it will like move over to other state employees pushed for more funding and support. My bet is these right to work states are going to continue to prompt strikes for the foreseeable future. I don't get how people expect public servants work for no pay. We care about our kids! just as long as we don't have to pay for them. We care about roads!! just as long as we never pay for it. We care about all these things! As long as we never have to pay for it A lot of people see teachers as glorified babysitters. It is a very sad situation. I'm not really sure how you convince people education is something that can have enormous benefits with increasing funding/importance. If people see teachers as babysitters they should be paid like one. Min wage per child per hour. inb4 all the good teachers move to states with high min. wage. And then they would be like the students they were teaching in their old state, fleeing it for better pay and more employment options. That is the part that convinces me that these Republicans have no idea how to govern states. Education is the number one things families moving to a new area care about. How do you cut education budgets while your own young adults are fleeing the state? A shrinking population will cause the state economy to implode. And then they somehow hope that cutting taxes will stimulate growth by attracting businesses. Rather than having well educated potential employees to attract business.
If I understand correctly, though, Republicans don't want to govern states, right? They'd rather power was decentralised to whatever extreme they can get away with, right?
That, and the Republicans have been the party of opposition for too long. They pretty clearly weren't ready to win this Presidency, and had been planning ahead to all the delightful opposition bitching they were going to do. Now they'd still doing that... only they're the ones who are expected to get things done at the same time.
Not a good combo.
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On April 21 2018 07:33 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 07:15 Plansix wrote:On April 21 2018 07:08 Gahlo wrote:On April 21 2018 07:07 IyMoon wrote:On April 21 2018 06:52 Mohdoo wrote:On April 21 2018 06:02 IyMoon wrote:On April 21 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987411831248576512Another state right to work state is faced with a teachers over education funding. We should not expect this to stop and it will like move over to other state employees pushed for more funding and support. My bet is these right to work states are going to continue to prompt strikes for the foreseeable future. I don't get how people expect public servants work for no pay. We care about our kids! just as long as we don't have to pay for them. We care about roads!! just as long as we never pay for it. We care about all these things! As long as we never have to pay for it A lot of people see teachers as glorified babysitters. It is a very sad situation. I'm not really sure how you convince people education is something that can have enormous benefits with increasing funding/importance. If people see teachers as babysitters they should be paid like one. Min wage per child per hour. inb4 all the good teachers move to states with high min. wage. And then they would be like the students they were teaching in their old state, fleeing it for better pay and more employment options. That is the part that convinces me that these Republicans have no idea how to govern states. Education is the number one things families moving to a new area care about. How do you cut education budgets while your own young adults are fleeing the state? A shrinking population will cause the state economy to implode. And then they somehow hope that cutting taxes will stimulate growth by attracting businesses. Rather than having well educated potential employees to attract business. If I understand correctly, though, Republicans don't want to govern states, right? They'd rather power was decentralised to whatever extreme they can get away with, right? That, and the Republicans have been the party of opposition for too long. They pretty clearly weren't ready to win this Presidency, and had been planning ahead to all the delightful opposition bitching they were going to do. Now they'd still doing that... only they're the ones who are expected to get things done at the same time. Not a good combo.
they only like decentralised power when they're the ones benefiting from it.
republican state governments often dislike devolving power to the localities, despite the rhetoric they sometimes use, especially if it's a locality they disagree with.
there's been a number of disputes between state and local government over such matters on more politically sensitive areas (because cities tend to be far more Democratic, so there's some Dem cities in Republican states)
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On April 21 2018 07:33 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 07:15 Plansix wrote:On April 21 2018 07:08 Gahlo wrote:On April 21 2018 07:07 IyMoon wrote:On April 21 2018 06:52 Mohdoo wrote:On April 21 2018 06:02 IyMoon wrote:On April 21 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987411831248576512Another state right to work state is faced with a teachers over education funding. We should not expect this to stop and it will like move over to other state employees pushed for more funding and support. My bet is these right to work states are going to continue to prompt strikes for the foreseeable future. I don't get how people expect public servants work for no pay. We care about our kids! just as long as we don't have to pay for them. We care about roads!! just as long as we never pay for it. We care about all these things! As long as we never have to pay for it A lot of people see teachers as glorified babysitters. It is a very sad situation. I'm not really sure how you convince people education is something that can have enormous benefits with increasing funding/importance. If people see teachers as babysitters they should be paid like one. Min wage per child per hour. inb4 all the good teachers move to states with high min. wage. And then they would be like the students they were teaching in their old state, fleeing it for better pay and more employment options. That is the part that convinces me that these Republicans have no idea how to govern states. Education is the number one things families moving to a new area care about. How do you cut education budgets while your own young adults are fleeing the state? A shrinking population will cause the state economy to implode. And then they somehow hope that cutting taxes will stimulate growth by attracting businesses. Rather than having well educated potential employees to attract business. If I understand correctly, though, Republicans don't want to govern states, right? They'd rather power was decentralised to whatever extreme they can get away with, right? That, and the Republicans have been the party of opposition for too long. They pretty clearly weren't ready to win this Presidency, and had been planning ahead to all the delightful opposition bitching they were going to do. Now they'd still doing that... only they're the ones who are expected to get things done at the same time. Not a good combo.
The issue with the whole "republicans just want to oppose" Is that state level goverments have been R for so long in some states that I don't think they have been the opposition party since I have been alive (1988) So they have no excuses for not governing. That leads to the conclusion that they see this as effective governing
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On April 21 2018 07:41 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 07:33 iamthedave wrote:On April 21 2018 07:15 Plansix wrote:On April 21 2018 07:08 Gahlo wrote:On April 21 2018 07:07 IyMoon wrote:On April 21 2018 06:52 Mohdoo wrote:On April 21 2018 06:02 IyMoon wrote:On April 21 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987411831248576512Another state right to work state is faced with a teachers over education funding. We should not expect this to stop and it will like move over to other state employees pushed for more funding and support. My bet is these right to work states are going to continue to prompt strikes for the foreseeable future. I don't get how people expect public servants work for no pay. We care about our kids! just as long as we don't have to pay for them. We care about roads!! just as long as we never pay for it. We care about all these things! As long as we never have to pay for it A lot of people see teachers as glorified babysitters. It is a very sad situation. I'm not really sure how you convince people education is something that can have enormous benefits with increasing funding/importance. If people see teachers as babysitters they should be paid like one. Min wage per child per hour. inb4 all the good teachers move to states with high min. wage. And then they would be like the students they were teaching in their old state, fleeing it for better pay and more employment options. That is the part that convinces me that these Republicans have no idea how to govern states. Education is the number one things families moving to a new area care about. How do you cut education budgets while your own young adults are fleeing the state? A shrinking population will cause the state economy to implode. And then they somehow hope that cutting taxes will stimulate growth by attracting businesses. Rather than having well educated potential employees to attract business. If I understand correctly, though, Republicans don't want to govern states, right? They'd rather power was decentralised to whatever extreme they can get away with, right? That, and the Republicans have been the party of opposition for too long. They pretty clearly weren't ready to win this Presidency, and had been planning ahead to all the delightful opposition bitching they were going to do. Now they'd still doing that... only they're the ones who are expected to get things done at the same time. Not a good combo. The issue with the whole "republicans just want to oppose" Is that state level goverments have been R for so long in some states that I don't think they have been the opposition party since I have been alive (1988) So they have no excuses for not governing. That leads to the conclusion that they see this as effective governing
Some of them are good and effective though, right?
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On April 21 2018 07:38 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 07:33 iamthedave wrote:On April 21 2018 07:15 Plansix wrote:On April 21 2018 07:08 Gahlo wrote:On April 21 2018 07:07 IyMoon wrote:On April 21 2018 06:52 Mohdoo wrote:On April 21 2018 06:02 IyMoon wrote:On April 21 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987411831248576512Another state right to work state is faced with a teachers over education funding. We should not expect this to stop and it will like move over to other state employees pushed for more funding and support. My bet is these right to work states are going to continue to prompt strikes for the foreseeable future. I don't get how people expect public servants work for no pay. We care about our kids! just as long as we don't have to pay for them. We care about roads!! just as long as we never pay for it. We care about all these things! As long as we never have to pay for it A lot of people see teachers as glorified babysitters. It is a very sad situation. I'm not really sure how you convince people education is something that can have enormous benefits with increasing funding/importance. If people see teachers as babysitters they should be paid like one. Min wage per child per hour. inb4 all the good teachers move to states with high min. wage. And then they would be like the students they were teaching in their old state, fleeing it for better pay and more employment options. That is the part that convinces me that these Republicans have no idea how to govern states. Education is the number one things families moving to a new area care about. How do you cut education budgets while your own young adults are fleeing the state? A shrinking population will cause the state economy to implode. And then they somehow hope that cutting taxes will stimulate growth by attracting businesses. Rather than having well educated potential employees to attract business. If I understand correctly, though, Republicans don't want to govern states, right? They'd rather power was decentralised to whatever extreme they can get away with, right? That, and the Republicans have been the party of opposition for too long. They pretty clearly weren't ready to win this Presidency, and had been planning ahead to all the delightful opposition bitching they were going to do. Now they'd still doing that... only they're the ones who are expected to get things done at the same time. Not a good combo. they only like decentralised power when they're the ones benefiting from it.republican state governments often dislike devolving power to the localities, despite the rhetoric they sometimes use, especially if it's a locality they disagree with. there's been a number of disputes between state and local government over such matters on more politically sensitive areas (because cities tend to be far more Democratic, so there's some Dem cities in Republican states)
Prime example of this, and fitting given the date, is marijuana. They're all about states' rights until it involves states saying their people, or even ill people, can smoke the devil's grass.
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On April 21 2018 05:19 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 04:19 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On April 20 2018 18:51 A3th3r wrote:On April 20 2018 13:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On April 20 2018 12:33 Plansix wrote:
I am really confused why the Republicans wanted these released. They are not flattering for Trump. #ReleaseTheMemos was a great hashtag and was enough to keep Trumpkins/FOXIES thinking that Republicans were transparency advocates. It was never about the content of the memos or actually getting them released. The point was to win the 4 hour news cycle between WAPO/NYT Trump stories. The libs want to embarrass Trump but the guy has been president for two years and will be for at least another two, regardless of what they do. It just seems like the liberals could be campaigning for the November mid-term elections instead, if they really wanted to be involved in the political process rather than just demonizing the current prez and making the opposition seem heroic 'just demonizing'? I think the growing list of guilty pleas and indictments would take issue with that description. I think a lot of people just assume this is the left's version of Benghazi. "Guys, we basically invented this shit, we know it is just being politically bitter. Can you please just stop?"
Yeah, probably some of that. There's definitely a growing detachment from reality going on. (obvious statement of the day)
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On April 21 2018 08:15 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 07:41 IyMoon wrote:On April 21 2018 07:33 iamthedave wrote:On April 21 2018 07:15 Plansix wrote:On April 21 2018 07:08 Gahlo wrote:On April 21 2018 07:07 IyMoon wrote:On April 21 2018 06:52 Mohdoo wrote:On April 21 2018 06:02 IyMoon wrote:On April 21 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987411831248576512Another state right to work state is faced with a teachers over education funding. We should not expect this to stop and it will like move over to other state employees pushed for more funding and support. My bet is these right to work states are going to continue to prompt strikes for the foreseeable future. I don't get how people expect public servants work for no pay. We care about our kids! just as long as we don't have to pay for them. We care about roads!! just as long as we never pay for it. We care about all these things! As long as we never have to pay for it A lot of people see teachers as glorified babysitters. It is a very sad situation. I'm not really sure how you convince people education is something that can have enormous benefits with increasing funding/importance. If people see teachers as babysitters they should be paid like one. Min wage per child per hour. inb4 all the good teachers move to states with high min. wage. And then they would be like the students they were teaching in their old state, fleeing it for better pay and more employment options. That is the part that convinces me that these Republicans have no idea how to govern states. Education is the number one things families moving to a new area care about. How do you cut education budgets while your own young adults are fleeing the state? A shrinking population will cause the state economy to implode. And then they somehow hope that cutting taxes will stimulate growth by attracting businesses. Rather than having well educated potential employees to attract business. If I understand correctly, though, Republicans don't want to govern states, right? They'd rather power was decentralised to whatever extreme they can get away with, right? That, and the Republicans have been the party of opposition for too long. They pretty clearly weren't ready to win this Presidency, and had been planning ahead to all the delightful opposition bitching they were going to do. Now they'd still doing that... only they're the ones who are expected to get things done at the same time. Not a good combo. The issue with the whole "republicans just want to oppose" Is that state level goverments have been R for so long in some states that I don't think they have been the opposition party since I have been alive (1988) So they have no excuses for not governing. That leads to the conclusion that they see this as effective governing Some of them are good and effective though, right?
Honestly? No.
Pretty much every state that has a high quality of life in the U.S. is Democratic.
Healthcare outcomes, education outcomes, economic health, environmental health, you name it and conservative states fill the bottom of the list and the top of the list is mostly dominated by liberal states.
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On April 21 2018 12:32 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 08:15 iamthedave wrote:On April 21 2018 07:41 IyMoon wrote:On April 21 2018 07:33 iamthedave wrote:On April 21 2018 07:15 Plansix wrote:On April 21 2018 07:08 Gahlo wrote:On April 21 2018 07:07 IyMoon wrote:On April 21 2018 06:52 Mohdoo wrote:On April 21 2018 06:02 IyMoon wrote:On April 21 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987411831248576512Another state right to work state is faced with a teachers over education funding. We should not expect this to stop and it will like move over to other state employees pushed for more funding and support. My bet is these right to work states are going to continue to prompt strikes for the foreseeable future. I don't get how people expect public servants work for no pay. We care about our kids! just as long as we don't have to pay for them. We care about roads!! just as long as we never pay for it. We care about all these things! As long as we never have to pay for it A lot of people see teachers as glorified babysitters. It is a very sad situation. I'm not really sure how you convince people education is something that can have enormous benefits with increasing funding/importance. If people see teachers as babysitters they should be paid like one. Min wage per child per hour. inb4 all the good teachers move to states with high min. wage. And then they would be like the students they were teaching in their old state, fleeing it for better pay and more employment options. That is the part that convinces me that these Republicans have no idea how to govern states. Education is the number one things families moving to a new area care about. How do you cut education budgets while your own young adults are fleeing the state? A shrinking population will cause the state economy to implode. And then they somehow hope that cutting taxes will stimulate growth by attracting businesses. Rather than having well educated potential employees to attract business. If I understand correctly, though, Republicans don't want to govern states, right? They'd rather power was decentralised to whatever extreme they can get away with, right? That, and the Republicans have been the party of opposition for too long. They pretty clearly weren't ready to win this Presidency, and had been planning ahead to all the delightful opposition bitching they were going to do. Now they'd still doing that... only they're the ones who are expected to get things done at the same time. Not a good combo. The issue with the whole "republicans just want to oppose" Is that state level goverments have been R for so long in some states that I don't think they have been the opposition party since I have been alive (1988) So they have no excuses for not governing. That leads to the conclusion that they see this as effective governing Some of them are good and effective though, right? Honestly? No. Pretty much every state that has a high quality of life in the U.S. is Democratic. Healthcare outcomes, education outcomes, economic health, environmental health, you name it and conservative states fill the bottom of the list and the top of the list is mostly dominated by liberal states.
This also holds on a national level, where quality of life, life expectancy, and other measures are generally higher in the countries with higher taxes and more robust social programs.
On the other end of the scale, the conservative model states where Republicans have gotten to implement their desired tax cuts and undermine unions are doing the worst on a number of measures, and teacher protests that are closing schools have popped up in Arizona, Kentucky, Oklahoma, and West Virginia, and Kansas had its school finance plans ruled unconstitutional by the state supreme court.
As several other posters have noted, there is net migration within the United States from red states to blue states.
The one thing Republicans have succeeded at via their state level control is making life harder on people who aren't straight white cisgender males. They've massively undermined women's health, pulled rights from trans people, and attempted to disenfranchise people of color. Following the SCOTUS ruling on the Voting Rights Act, started closing polling places in democratic leaning areas with large minority populations (www.reuters.com) and closing areas where people could get ID to meet voter ID laws, also generally in black communities (thinkprogress.org).
All the GOP really accomplished with years of control of state governments was making people miserable.
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On April 21 2018 15:22 Kyadytim wrote:
The one thing Republicans have succeeded at via their state level control is making life harder on people who aren't straight white cisgender males.
I dont think thats true. It should be "The one thing Republicans have succeeded at via their state level control is making life harder on people who aren't RICH.
I think massive cuts in social programs, education, infastructere etc. also affect poor whites. Thats the tragedy of this, people have been conviced to vote against their own interests.
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On April 21 2018 15:22 Kyadytim wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 12:32 Stratos_speAr wrote:On April 21 2018 08:15 iamthedave wrote:On April 21 2018 07:41 IyMoon wrote:On April 21 2018 07:33 iamthedave wrote:On April 21 2018 07:15 Plansix wrote:On April 21 2018 07:08 Gahlo wrote:On April 21 2018 07:07 IyMoon wrote:On April 21 2018 06:52 Mohdoo wrote:On April 21 2018 06:02 IyMoon wrote:
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I don't get how people expect public servants work for no pay. We care about our kids! just as long as we don't have to pay for them. We care about roads!! just as long as we never pay for it. We care about all these things! As long as we never have to pay for it A lot of people see teachers as glorified babysitters. It is a very sad situation. I'm not really sure how you convince people education is something that can have enormous benefits with increasing funding/importance. If people see teachers as babysitters they should be paid like one. Min wage per child per hour. inb4 all the good teachers move to states with high min. wage. And then they would be like the students they were teaching in their old state, fleeing it for better pay and more employment options. That is the part that convinces me that these Republicans have no idea how to govern states. Education is the number one things families moving to a new area care about. How do you cut education budgets while your own young adults are fleeing the state? A shrinking population will cause the state economy to implode. And then they somehow hope that cutting taxes will stimulate growth by attracting businesses. Rather than having well educated potential employees to attract business. If I understand correctly, though, Republicans don't want to govern states, right? They'd rather power was decentralised to whatever extreme they can get away with, right? That, and the Republicans have been the party of opposition for too long. They pretty clearly weren't ready to win this Presidency, and had been planning ahead to all the delightful opposition bitching they were going to do. Now they'd still doing that... only they're the ones who are expected to get things done at the same time. Not a good combo. The issue with the whole "republicans just want to oppose" Is that state level goverments have been R for so long in some states that I don't think they have been the opposition party since I have been alive (1988) So they have no excuses for not governing. That leads to the conclusion that they see this as effective governing Some of them are good and effective though, right? Honestly? No. Pretty much every state that has a high quality of life in the U.S. is Democratic. Healthcare outcomes, education outcomes, economic health, environmental health, you name it and conservative states fill the bottom of the list and the top of the list is mostly dominated by liberal states. This also holds on a national level, where quality of life, life expectancy, and other measures are generally higher in the countries with higher taxes and more robust social programs. On the other end of the scale, the conservative model states where Republicans have gotten to implement their desired tax cuts and undermine unions are doing the worst on a number of measures, and teacher protests that are closing schools have popped up in Arizona, Kentucky, Oklahoma, and West Virginia, and Kansas had its school finance plans ruled unconstitutional by the state supreme court. As several other posters have noted, there is net migration within the United States from red states to blue states. The one thing Republicans have succeeded at via their state level control is making life harder on people who aren't straight white cisgender males. They've massively undermined women's health, pulled rights from trans people, and attempted to disenfranchise people of color. Following the SCOTUS ruling on the Voting Rights Act, started closing polling places in democratic leaning areas with large minority populations ( www.reuters.com) and closing areas where people could get ID to meet voter ID laws, also generally in black communities ( thinkprogress.org). All the GOP really accomplished with years of control of state governments was making people miserable.
The tax cuts do benefit some people though. It’s just there are very few of them.
From what I understand, the GOP has a grand total of two articulated objectives: upward redistribution of wealth and getting elected exploiting and fueling whatever grievance and resentment their electorate has towards women, black people, lgbt folks and so on.
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On April 21 2018 15:45 Biff The Understudy wrote:
From what I understand, the GOP has a grand total of two articulated objectives: upward redistribution of wealth and getting elected exploiting and fueling whatever grievance and resentment their electorate has towards women, black people, lgbt folks and so on.
This has also been my observation, with the obvious addition that the GOP also cares about power. But a good predictor for republican laws are the following three rules:
1. Attain and keep power
2. Make the rich richer
3. Hurt women, minorities and the poor
Initially I thought that I was too cynical, but in the end GOP policy can be condensed to this rule set with an astonishing precision. There is random rhetoric, philosophical waffling, talking about principles and so on, but it turns out that is just lying with the aim of 1, 2 and 3.
A few month ago I found this article from 2012, which presented the state of affairs as a struggle for dominance between the northern and southern elites, originating from the civil war.
How a Brutal Strain of American Aristocrats Have Come to Rule America
The conclusion is this:
The rich are different now because the elites who spent four centuries sucking the South dry and turning it into an economic and political backwater have now vanquished the more forward-thinking, democratic Northern elites. Their attitudes towards freedom, authority, community, government, and the social contract aren't just confined to the country clubs of the Gulf Coast; they can now be found on the ground from Hollywood and Silicon Valley to Wall Street. And because of that quiet coup, the entire US is now turning into the global equivalent of a Deep South state.
It gave me some insight on why the American right looks so strange from a European perspective, but I cannot judge how accurate this interpretation is. But I thought it is topical in 2018 and interesting to share.
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I just find it absurd that people in Republican states keep voting for Republicans that don't want anything to do with them. Even with an education, it shouldn't be hard to see that the state representative is hurting the state more than anything. But some how because it's an "R" next to their name, they don't care. They're blindly being led into an inferno...
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They feel the exact same way about you, I'm sure. Speaking generally about how Republicans keep voting for the people that screw them doesn't accomplish anything without being specific, and acknowledging the counterpoints.
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On April 22 2018 03:09 micronesia wrote:
They feel the exact same way about you, I'm sure. Speaking generally about how Republicans keep voting for the people that screw them doesn't accomplish anything without being specific, and acknowledging the counterpoints.
even when specific and acknowledging the counterpoints it still doesn't accomplish much; rational argument has very little to do with how people vote.
they may feel the same way, but that doesn't mean they have a reasonable basis for that feeling.
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I don't care what they think or feel about me. They're now the party of people who are pushing the country backwards... I believe in conservative values, but I don't believe in the current "conservatives" in office. Denying Science is the first and last straw that pushed me out of the party.
You can't even bring up points or debate with them anymore. It's literally them closing their eyes and ears, and just opening their mouths when they "debate" a democrat or libertarian or what ever party you're in.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2018-03-07/america-deserves-a-gop-that-serves-people-not-ceos
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ShoCkeyy I'm not really taking issue with how you feel about it. I'm taking issue (personally, not for TL) with what you choose to say in a public discussion. You are only making the 'problem' worse. zlefin has a point but that's not the whole issue. Complaining generically about the 'other side' may feel therapeutic but it's not.
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On April 22 2018 03:25 micronesia wrote:
ShoCkeyy I'm not really taking issue with how you feel about it. I'm taking issue (personally, not for TL) with what you choose to say in a public discussion. You are only making the 'problem' worse. zlefin has a point but that's not the whole issue. Complaining generically about the 'other side' may feel therapeutic but it's not.
I think you mean that it's therapeutic, but not constructive?
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I think it's neither therapeutic nor constructive. The fact that it's not constructive is more important though.
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On April 22 2018 03:32 micronesia wrote:
I think it's neither therapeutic nor constructive. The fact that it's not constructive is more important though.
I don't dispute the constructivity point (though i'm not sure it's that destructive either, it might simply be neutral, either would classify as not constructive).
which brings up a classic problem: sometimes the truth is not constructive; so do you discourage people from saying the truth?
on therapeutic - venting is often therapeutic, so I think you'd have to get past that point first.
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I don't think it's very common that providing the truth is inherently not constructive. I'm sure there are exceptions, but more often the problem is how the truth is provided.
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