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On March 23 2019 10:40 On_Slaught wrote:
I agree with waiting at this point (got to get back to Sekiro - fuck that ogre!). However, if you care about the legitimacy of the 2016 election then that ship has already sailed. Regardless of what Mueller finds it doesnt change the fact that Russian interference and Comey being a dipshit influenced that election greatly and quite possibly changed it.
Do you know what the funny part is? Comey’s fucking about during the election is what arguably torpedoed the Mueller investigation and prevented it from fully realizing its political ends. If Comey hadn’t made such a spectacle of the email investigation, Democrats wouldn’t have demanded an investigation of what happened, which means that Horowitz likely wouldn’t have found the Strzok/Page texts.
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On March 23 2019 10:50 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2019 10:23 Plansix wrote:On March 23 2019 10:07 xDaunt wrote:On March 23 2019 09:59 Dan HH wrote:
It's incredible that the exact same posters that wouldn't stop talking about Benghazi years later and still bring up Hilary's emails every week are calling this a nothingburger waste of time. I'm sure if an investigation of the Obama admin had led to his personal lawyer, a former chief of staff, and some of his advisers being sentenced to prison before even disclosing the degree of his personal involvement in this hypothetical, it would be a waste of time that you'd totally not shove down this forum's throat for a decade. No one with real prosecutorial authority seriously investigated Benghazi. No special counsel. Certainly not Obama’s DOJ. In fact, it should be obvious now that Obama’s DOJ was highly politicized if not outright corrupt. Just look at Strzok’s testimony (highlighted by Danglars earlier this week) about all of the special deals that were agreed to by Loretta Lynch’s crew that insulated Hillary and the Clintons from any fallout from the e-mail scandal. And I don’t think that it is coincidental that many of the players involved in that were appointed to Mueller’s team. Well, time is up for them now. Time for Horowitz to get to work. Why would a prosecutor investigate something that wasn’t a crime? My point is that there was no investigation and that the Obama administration had demonstrably zero inclination to take a hard look at anything that might be embarrassing to itself or its allies.
So they didn’t conduct criminal investigations when there was no evidence or cause to do so?
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On March 23 2019 10:23 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2019 10:07 xDaunt wrote:On March 23 2019 09:59 Dan HH wrote:
It's incredible that the exact same posters that wouldn't stop talking about Benghazi years later and still bring up Hilary's emails every week are calling this a nothingburger waste of time. I'm sure if an investigation of the Obama admin had led to his personal lawyer, a former chief of staff, and some of his advisers being sentenced to prison before even disclosing the degree of his personal involvement in this hypothetical, it would be a waste of time that you'd totally not shove down this forum's throat for a decade. No one with real prosecutorial authority seriously investigated Benghazi. No special counsel. Certainly not Obama’s DOJ. In fact, it should be obvious now that Obama’s DOJ was highly politicized if not outright corrupt. Just look at Strzok’s testimony (highlighted by Danglars earlier this week) about all of the special deals that were agreed to by Loretta Lynch’s crew that insulated Hillary and the Clintons from any fallout from the e-mail scandal. And I don’t think that it is coincidental that many of the players involved in that were appointed to Mueller’s team. Well, time is up for them now. Time for Horowitz to get to work. If the issue was just a corrupt DOJ and inept congressional investigations, then what are they waiting for now? The last 2 years they have controlled every branch of govt and the DOJ.
Ofc NOW it is coming up again for Republicans now that they lost the house and Trump is under fire. Could it be that the whole thing is just a political football Republicans throw out to appease/distract their base when needed? I'm thinking yes.
Trump would be accused of obstruction of justice if he went after the people on Mueller’s team while the investigation was ongoing.
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On March 23 2019 10:50 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2019 10:23 Plansix wrote:On March 23 2019 10:07 xDaunt wrote:On March 23 2019 09:59 Dan HH wrote:
It's incredible that the exact same posters that wouldn't stop talking about Benghazi years later and still bring up Hilary's emails every week are calling this a nothingburger waste of time. I'm sure if an investigation of the Obama admin had led to his personal lawyer, a former chief of staff, and some of his advisers being sentenced to prison before even disclosing the degree of his personal involvement in this hypothetical, it would be a waste of time that you'd totally not shove down this forum's throat for a decade. No one with real prosecutorial authority seriously investigated Benghazi. No special counsel. Certainly not Obama’s DOJ. In fact, it should be obvious now that Obama’s DOJ was highly politicized if not outright corrupt. Just look at Strzok’s testimony (highlighted by Danglars earlier this week) about all of the special deals that were agreed to by Loretta Lynch’s crew that insulated Hillary and the Clintons from any fallout from the e-mail scandal. And I don’t think that it is coincidental that many of the players involved in that were appointed to Mueller’s team. Well, time is up for them now. Time for Horowitz to get to work. Why would a prosecutor investigate something that wasn’t a crime? My point is that there was no investigation and that the Obama administration had demonstrably zero inclination to take a hard look at anything that might be embarrassing to itself or its allies.
The irony is thick.
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If there is sufficient evidence of a corrupt DOJ, he should be vindicated in the end. Seems like a weird excuse not to act of the DOJ is that rotten.
Maybe it’s not that the DOJ is corrupt, but that Trump just shady and invites investigations though his blatant grifting?
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On March 23 2019 10:53 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2019 10:40 On_Slaught wrote:
I agree with waiting at this point (got to get back to Sekiro - fuck that ogre!). However, if you care about the legitimacy of the 2016 election then that ship has already sailed. Regardless of what Mueller finds it doesnt change the fact that Russian interference and Comey being a dipshit influenced that election greatly and quite possibly changed it. Do you know what the funny part is? Comey’s fucking about during the election is what arguably torpedoed the Mueller investigation and prevented it from fully realizing its political ends. If Comey hadn’t made such a spectacle of the email investigation, Democrats wouldn’t have demanded an investigation of what happened, which means that Horowitz likely wouldn’t have found the Strzok/Page texts.
Have you fully appreciated what it would mean if Carter Page is not indicted? The FBI tells a FISA court that Page was a foreign agent of Russia. We gotta go to the extreme step to spy on our own citizen because we are so sure he's dirty. At close to three years later, the DOJ and Mueller do not charge him with anything.
That would bring an even more comical tone to the FISA application//Nunes memo scandal.
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On March 23 2019 10:58 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2019 10:23 On_Slaught wrote:On March 23 2019 10:07 xDaunt wrote:On March 23 2019 09:59 Dan HH wrote:
It's incredible that the exact same posters that wouldn't stop talking about Benghazi years later and still bring up Hilary's emails every week are calling this a nothingburger waste of time. I'm sure if an investigation of the Obama admin had led to his personal lawyer, a former chief of staff, and some of his advisers being sentenced to prison before even disclosing the degree of his personal involvement in this hypothetical, it would be a waste of time that you'd totally not shove down this forum's throat for a decade. No one with real prosecutorial authority seriously investigated Benghazi. No special counsel. Certainly not Obama’s DOJ. In fact, it should be obvious now that Obama’s DOJ was highly politicized if not outright corrupt. Just look at Strzok’s testimony (highlighted by Danglars earlier this week) about all of the special deals that were agreed to by Loretta Lynch’s crew that insulated Hillary and the Clintons from any fallout from the e-mail scandal. And I don’t think that it is coincidental that many of the players involved in that were appointed to Mueller’s team. Well, time is up for them now. Time for Horowitz to get to work. If the issue was just a corrupt DOJ and inept congressional investigations, then what are they waiting for now? The last 2 years they have controlled every branch of govt and the DOJ.
Ofc NOW it is coming up again for Republicans now that they lost the house and Trump is under fire. Could it be that the whole thing is just a political football Republicans throw out to appease/distract their base when needed? I'm thinking yes. Trump would be accused of obstruction of justice if he went after the people on Mueller’s team while the investigation was ongoing.
I'm talking about following up on Benghazi and Hillary. Certainly they could have done that without attacking Mueller (I mean they had been doing it for decades).
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On March 23 2019 11:11 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2019 10:58 xDaunt wrote:On March 23 2019 10:23 On_Slaught wrote:On March 23 2019 10:07 xDaunt wrote:On March 23 2019 09:59 Dan HH wrote:
It's incredible that the exact same posters that wouldn't stop talking about Benghazi years later and still bring up Hilary's emails every week are calling this a nothingburger waste of time. I'm sure if an investigation of the Obama admin had led to his personal lawyer, a former chief of staff, and some of his advisers being sentenced to prison before even disclosing the degree of his personal involvement in this hypothetical, it would be a waste of time that you'd totally not shove down this forum's throat for a decade. No one with real prosecutorial authority seriously investigated Benghazi. No special counsel. Certainly not Obama’s DOJ. In fact, it should be obvious now that Obama’s DOJ was highly politicized if not outright corrupt. Just look at Strzok’s testimony (highlighted by Danglars earlier this week) about all of the special deals that were agreed to by Loretta Lynch’s crew that insulated Hillary and the Clintons from any fallout from the e-mail scandal. And I don’t think that it is coincidental that many of the players involved in that were appointed to Mueller’s team. Well, time is up for them now. Time for Horowitz to get to work. If the issue was just a corrupt DOJ and inept congressional investigations, then what are they waiting for now? The last 2 years they have controlled every branch of govt and the DOJ.
Ofc NOW it is coming up again for Republicans now that they lost the house and Trump is under fire. Could it be that the whole thing is just a political football Republicans throw out to appease/distract their base when needed? I'm thinking yes. Trump would be accused of obstruction of justice if he went after the people on Mueller’s team while the investigation was ongoing. I'm talking about following up on Benghazi and Hillary. Certainly they could have done that without attacking Mueller (I mean they had been doing it for decades).
No, they can’t. Like I said, the very people involved were on Mueller’s team. It’s not just one or two. It’s like half a dozen.
Edit: I’m in China right now, so I can’t easily pull this stuff. But look at who was on Mueller’s team and what positions they held in the Obama administration.
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On March 23 2019 11:11 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2019 10:53 xDaunt wrote:On March 23 2019 10:40 On_Slaught wrote:
I agree with waiting at this point (got to get back to Sekiro - fuck that ogre!). However, if you care about the legitimacy of the 2016 election then that ship has already sailed. Regardless of what Mueller finds it doesnt change the fact that Russian interference and Comey being a dipshit influenced that election greatly and quite possibly changed it. Do you know what the funny part is? Comey’s fucking about during the election is what arguably torpedoed the Mueller investigation and prevented it from fully realizing its political ends. If Comey hadn’t made such a spectacle of the email investigation, Democrats wouldn’t have demanded an investigation of what happened, which means that Horowitz likely wouldn’t have found the Strzok/Page texts. Have you fully appreciated what it would mean if Carter Page is not indicted? The FBI tells a FISA court that Page was a foreign agent of Russia. We gotta go to the extreme step to spy on our own citizen because we are so sure he's dirty. At close to three years later, the DOJ and Mueller do not charge him with anything. That would bring an even more comical tone to the FISA application//Nunes memo scandal.
Yep. This is exactly why I have said that people at the DOJ/FBI are in big trouble over the FISA application. The more we see, the more fraudulent that the application actually looks.
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The classic “prove the FISA application wasn’t fraudulent” argument.
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On March 23 2019 09:57 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2019 09:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 23 2019 09:41 Introvert wrote:On March 23 2019 09:28 xDaunt wrote:On March 23 2019 08:23 Plansix wrote:On March 23 2019 08:17 IgnE wrote:On March 23 2019 07:15 Plansix wrote:On March 23 2019 07:11 NewSunshine wrote:On March 23 2019 07:08 Plansix wrote:On March 23 2019 07:02 xDaunt wrote:
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Oh please. You and many others have been wildly proclaiming that Trump, his family, and his team were all going to be prosecuted for colluding with Russians for two years. Did he? Did he really? What about the others? Did they do that too? Or is this another case of you making broad, sweeping statements in an effort to paint people into a corner in an argument? Also, is he trying to bullshit us, or himself, when he thinks that this is "the end of the line"? This is not the only investigation being done into Trump and his dealings, and it isn't the totality of the criminal investigation either. This is just another stage in the process and anyone predicting to be sure of the outcome is very silly, to say the least.. unless they are correct, right? just have patience before saying xdaunt is wrong. then when they release the incriminating report and you find out he’s wrong for sure he’ll have to eat a hat, right? or is this a case of “the lady doth protest too much” You are right. If their speculation turns out to be correct, they will be vindicated. Dauntless’s flavor of condescending speculation included. Edit: but if we are predicting things, mine is that Trump leaves office in 2020 at the earliest, no matter how bad that report is. There was never going to be enough evidence to push the needle to the point where the senate would vote to remove him. Small hint: there isn’t a lot of speculation on my part. There has been ample information to work off of for many months, a lot of which I have cited to in this thread and the blog. It just has been ignored by mainstream outlets for the usual political reasons. Long story short, anyone who has been paying attention to the details is entirely unsurprised by Mueller’s nothingburger. It's been two years, so I'm content to wait a few days, but it's been fun watching the Andrew McCarthy pieces I've been posting turn out to be true, when twitter and thread experts said that, no, Mueller was building his collusion case! Since at least December 2017 things looked like they would turn out this way... just a few more days... If there really is nothing besides "firing Comey was shady" then there should be many victory laps and the people who pushed this should be reminded of that again and again. To squander the first two years of a presidency on this is a huge scandal. So I think I will wait just a few more days... I wouldn't say it was squandered if the information gleaned is worth it. The only information worth it is collusion, some sort of conspiracy to unfairly win an election. That's what this was about. Getting a few dirty operators at the cost of presidential legitimacy and time (taking so much oxygen out of the room) is certainly not worth it. But that will be one line of the defense. It doesn't matter where the goalposts move, to be honest, just that they are mobile. That fact should be repeated endlessly.
If the investigation had a valid basis to be initiated, it's a justified investigation. At this point I'm most interested to know if there was reasonable suspicion which I believe is the standard required to open the investigation. Of course the media hyped into the stratosphere, but from a legal standpoint what matters is whether there was reasonable suspicion.
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Both "A new Benghazi" an "bbbut Hillary Emails" have been memes in this thread for a long time already, but still they still show up when republicans are accussed of something that can be defended best by whataboutism and changing the subject.
I love that conservatives step into the flames here but please stop bringing those cases up! It is not interresting!
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On March 23 2019 11:44 Slydie wrote:
Both "A new Benghazi" an "bbbut Hillary Emails" have been memes in this thread for a long time already, but still they still show up when republicans are accussed of something that can be defended best by whataboutism and changing the subject.
I love that conservatives step into the flames here but please stop bringing those cases up! It is not interresting!
You do realize the last two or three were people like you bringing up Benghazi and Hillary Emails out of the blue to draw comparisons. Are you going to include yourself in not bringing it up? Are you going to tell conservatives to shut up when somebody asks "Where's the outrage like after Benghazi?" Are you even going to look back to see who introduced those topics, and admit that your ideological side has brought it up in connection to other things?
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I'm still confused on what was the super scandalous thing about Benghazi. I guess the point is that there was a cover up because Obama was up for re election? I'm not sure it was much of a cover up.
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That's because the deep state, that runs the country and politicians etc and suppresses the people is simply stupid lol. I mean, they undermined everything, they're everywhere, they're controlling everyone (except Trump) - but covering up that story, that they couldn't do. So they went for the next best thing, they had a fake investigation, by fake people, coming up with a fake conclusion. Ten investigations, and here we are: still knowing the truth, even though one FBI, one independent, two democrat committees, and six republican committees, some running multiple years, didn't find any evidence of wrongdoing: they can't fool us. They even bought Kevin McCarthy, to tell the only real journalist Sean Hannity that the investigations were part of a strategy to drop her popularity. I mean, prrfft, lol. Right?
In reality, HRC did Benghazi. She's guilty. Lock her up!
I'm getting good at this. I might be able to infiltrate T_D at this rate. I'm sure i could fool our residents here.
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BTW Trump provided another piece of evidence today for why he is unfit for office regardless of the dozen criminal investigations into him and his people.
Trump withdraws recently announced sanctions on NK without telling anyone. The reason? He "likes" Kim. Just think about that. He backtracked on his own administrations sanctions against a brutal dictatorship because he likes the mass murderer who tortures and starves his own people who runs the place. You cant make this shit up.
Really puts all this Mueller stuff in perspective. If Mueller doesnt bring anything monumental all the conservatives will rejoice and go back to acting like its somehow ok to have someone this incompetent running the country.
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It does feel like the kind of thing they really should have worked out ahead of time. If the treasury lacked the authority to do it they shouldn't have done it. If they didn't then he shouldn't be undermining them. Either way it looks like shit.
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On March 23 2019 12:44 KwarK wrote:
It does feel like the kind of thing they really should have worked out ahead of time. If the treasury lacked the authority to do it they shouldn't have done it. If they didn't then he shouldn't be undermining them. Either way it looks like shit.
Something tells me there was no opportunity to work this out ahead of time because he did this on a whim today without notifying anyone. It was so sudden that it seems like it caught a lot of people off guard.
There's also that he literally does not think ahead or about repercussions when he does anything. This isn't the first time he's done stuff that's left his own people dumbfounded. Look at the entire mess around his announcement that the US was pulling out of Syria. He lost one of the last sane people in the administration over that one.
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On March 23 2019 10:04 Introvert wrote:
I'm still waiting. But I've been consistent since day one. Collusion or bust. Literally nothing else in the report matters. This is all because a certain party lost a presidential election and was certain the president cheated to win. If he didn't cheat, that's that. End of story. "Trump Tower Moscow" ain't gonna cut it.
The republican party has been rife with cheating for as long as I can remember. Trump collusion with Russia is only one aspect of all the bullshit they had to put together in a perfect storm to get him in office. Gerry mandering, interstate crosscheck, massive voter suppression laws, comey reopening the email garbage 2 weeks before the election, electronic voting machine results beings suspect, inadequate access to voting locations such as in AZ... With out a doubt there were other things that nobody even caught...
2018 was the same... In Georgia the Sec of state (the man controlling the election) was the repub candidate, and like comey opened a bs investigation into stacey abrahms with zero grounds to do so to smear her... This shit goes on and on with the repub party.
NC results were nullified because there was hard evidence of cheating the vote count by repub agents... We still don't know who won the election because they have to do another election.
Keep in mind that when you say this president cheated to win, what really happened is the party cheated and has cheated for a longggg time. The republican motto is quite literally, "Our chances to win go up, as the voting populace goes down." Trump collision is a small part of a bigger corrupt picture, which includes the entire republican party.
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New Innuendo Studios just dropped, this one on conservatism. It's quality as usual. It might be even more interesting because while fascism is more dangerous obviously, it's pretty rare for fascists to identify as fascists. Conservatism is in the open.
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I've said it before but Breadtube is excessively good. Countering the right on Youtube is not really a job for heroes but it's one of the most important things to do in the extremely online community these days.
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