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On July 15 2016 22:56 Reaps wrote: Keep in mind there are multiple terrorist attempts in other European country's every year, they have just been foiled by the intelligence services.
Britain for example has stopped at least 3 major terrorist attacks per year since 7/7, more recently "the poppy day killer"
If any of these attacks were successful we wouldn't be asking the question "why France"
As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, security in France could be one of the issue's.
I may sound cold hearted but if all of this money was spent towards something else, I'm sure it would do a lot more towards improving the quality of life. Even with several massive attacks during the last 12 months, it's a ridiculously low number of casualties and very far from a war, specially when you can compare the number of death of civilians being bombed by our planes or car accidents.People should stop being impressed by those attacks, sure it sucks but giving it so much attention is just making those attacks worthwhile. I'm fustrated people are giving them so much impotance, that's exatcly what those guys want. Politics and people are just too happy to get something like this distracting them from real matters.
What are real matters if its not stopping mass murder?
Global warming, education, human rights, social equity, whatever you want which causes more than 300 deaths a year...
Why don't you take your misplaced cynicism somewhere else?
Why my opinion disturbs you so much? I genuinely believe it's a waste of efforts and money and that we have more important matters to take care of.
We can try to improve multiple things at the same time. What you're saying is the fallacy of relative privation, aka there are kids starving in Africa so why do anything about lesser issues.
On July 15 2016 23:20 SK.Testie wrote: Furthermore, I think that a person saying this is a complete failure and betrayal of ones people. + Show Spoiler +
Somewhat I just can't help but think they like that situation because they can just enact dumb measures that are inefficient against terrorism but very helpful at controlling the masses.
It's exactly what happened with the Intelligence law that basically allowed the government to force ISPs to spy on every citizen (something that doesn't help with terrorism lol).
That's what happened when they enacted the state of emergency: strangely so, a lot of ecologist activist were subject to house arrest on virtually no basis. That was quite well timed, as there was the COP21 at the same time, and lot of these activits had planned to go to demonstrations or organize some. The results of the state of emergency were deemed useless by a parliamentary report, and tribunals have decided that many of these house arrests and other decisions taken during and thanks to the state of emergency were unconstitutional and bad.
So, seeing Manuel Valls actually saying that... meh. I can't believe this doesn't serve him somehow....
I haven't read up on the "we must learn to live with terrorism" comment but it seems to me like unless the guy is batshit crazy, something had to have been lost in translation. The complexity of the issue calls for some measures to be difficult to put into words because they're not politically correct and the reach of the government is limited.
The guy said France needs to learn to live with terrorism which sounds fucking horrible if it's taken literally, but surely it would've been a really clumsy way to essentially say that this kind of stuff cannot be entirely prevented. Any asshole can rent a truck for $13/day and ram a crowd without ever discussing the specifics on the phone in a way that the most invasive government agencies could detect.
Maybe he is insane, but it seems to me like what happened is he was saying this shit is now unpreventable, it's out of control. And is he not right? France could obliterate its civil rights to prevent a few terrorist attack related deaths which account for 0.0X deaths per 100000 or whatever, but the fact is, it's kind of a reality of the world we live in now. No one wants to hear that now and it was a shitty thing to say under the circumstances but isn't it at least partially true? No? Anyway correct me if I'm wrong, I may be just babbling nonsense.
General facts about the act (perpretrator, what happened timeline, casualties and injuries, political figure statements)
Followed by diferrent stats (some of which are horrifying):
-Roughly 10% of France population is Muslim. However, they account for roughly 66% of the inmate population with x20 the incarceration rate per 100.000 of white French.
-27% of population (not muslims only) aged 18-24 in France have a "Positive Attitude towards ISIS".
Other interesting data:
-Muslim Support for Suicide Bombing
-Top 5-10 Arms Exporting Countries. France is 5th, whose main customers are the (1)UAE, (4)Saudi Arabia and (5)Morocco Guns are prohibited for French citizens but they have no problem selling them to dubious foreign governments. Unregistered guns on the hands of criminals keep increasing at a rapid rate, with AK-47s selling at the black market from 1000 to 1500 Euros.
We cannot prevent everything, ever. And we shouldn't just obliterate every right we have to have an illusion of security. An illusion that will be shattered when the next attack is carried anyway.
On July 16 2016 00:14 Ragnarork wrote: Somewhat I just can't help but think they like that situation because they can just enact dumb measures that are inefficient against terrorism but very helpful at controlling the masses.
It's exactly what happened with the Intelligence law that basically allowed the government to force ISPs to spy on every citizen (something that doesn't help with terrorism lol).
That's what happened when they enacted the state of emergency: strangely so, a lot of ecologist activist were subject to house arrest on virtually no basis. That was quite well timed, as there was the COP21 at the same time, and lot of these activits had planned to go to demonstrations or organize some. The results of the state of emergency were deemed useless by a parliamentary report, and tribunals have decided that many of these house arrests and other decisions taken during and thanks to the state of emergency were unconstitutional and bad.
So, seeing Manuel Valls actually saying that... meh. I can't believe this doesn't serve him somehow....
Funnily enough, the state of emergency is what Mick Smith wrote about as the ultimate taking of power and breach of human rights that all governments tend towards. While he was talking about Ecological sovereignty and pretty radical philosophy, the fact that the ecologists were the ones targeted is pretty interesting to me.
Also, lol at that "truth" video. I don't see any sources for what he claims...
For example, there is absolutely no serious study that has given a number for the proportion of muslims in prisons. So yeah, I'd stay away from this one. Saying "the truth" based on nothing concrete is a bit of a red flag for me...
Also, the "support" for ISIS that comes from... where exactly? I can also say "This is data that was collected by a survey" before any numbers I put out, that doesn't actually prove anything.
So yeah, sources please. This is bullshit in the meantime.
NSFW link from the Bataclan terrorist attack. The link itself doesn't contain disturbing photos, but paints the Bataclan attack in a much more horrifying light. + Show Spoiler +
On July 15 2016 19:30 stilt wrote: Here what the police seems to have communicate to journalist: _ The guy seemed not very religious, he liked salsa and girls. (he apparently did not go to Syria or stuff like this) _ He was divorcing. _ He slept while driving this truck some days ago and was sentenced for this _ He was mentally instable.
Could be a very deadly nervous breakdown. That would be a strange coincidence considering the context but...
Any more info on this, and any sources? While most people love jumping on EVIL MUSLIMS FROM ISIS whenever a brown guy does something horrible, I find it more realistic that it's just another fucked up guy who happened to be from a muslim-centric culture.
On July 15 2016 17:15 ahswtini wrote: i presume by 'urgency stat' u mean the state of emergency
Yes sorry.
On topic : ISIS media did not revendicate the attack in their last bulletin.
This points to me more towards it being a loony with brown skin rather than some form of global islamic terrorism.
And as for why a tunisian without french citizenship would be in France - if memory serves me correct, Tunisia was France's attempt at a less destructive colony solution (after attempting to completely assimilate Algeria failed). The close connections between France and Tunisia makes visitors from across the Middle Sea rather commonplace.
If he wasn't tunisian at all, then just ignore that last bit.
On July 16 2016 00:55 SK.Testie wrote: NSFW link from the Bataclan terrorist attack. The link itself doesn't contain disturbing photos, but paints the Bataclan attack in a much more horrifying light. + Show Spoiler +
Some of those terrible acts are reminescent of the french-algerian war. Some fractions of the algerian "resistance" did this kind of things (cutting testicules and putting them in the mouth of the victim for exemple). The french were not clean at all btw.
On July 15 2016 19:30 stilt wrote: Here what the police seems to have communicate to journalist: _ The guy seemed not very religious, he liked salsa and girls. (he apparently did not go to Syria or stuff like this) _ He was divorcing. _ He slept while driving this truck some days ago and was sentenced for this _ He was mentally instable.
Could be a very deadly nervous breakdown. That would be a strange coincidence considering the context but...
Any more info on this, and any sources? While most people love jumping on EVIL MUSLIMS FROM ISIS whenever a brown guy does something horrible, I find it more realistic that it's just another fucked up guy who happened to be from a muslim-centric culture.
Reminds me of that guy that beheaded his former boss a while ago, yelling "Allahu Akbar", everyone was like "ISIS striked again".
Turned out he was mentally instable, and the boss in question had ended up with his ex-girlfriend, and wasn't really nice to him or something, and he carried out some kind of vengeance on him.
So yeah, not "terrorism" but an actual crime that the guy thought would be good looking as a djihad thing or something....
My god, I am affraid to think what the world will look like in the next 10 years. I can't imagine a scenario where things will get better regarding terrorism.
A bit unrelated, there are predictions that by 2040. Europe will be majorly muslim population, giving the 1.3 birthrate of white europe and 3.5 birthrate of muslim famillies. It takes only 2 generations of people to shift the numbers giving those rates.
On July 16 2016 00:55 SK.Testie wrote: NSFW link from the Bataclan terrorist attack. The link itself doesn't contain disturbing photos, but paints the Bataclan attack in a much more horrifying light. + Show Spoiler +
On July 16 2016 00:55 SK.Testie wrote: NSFW link from the Bataclan terrorist attack. The link itself doesn't contain disturbing photos, but paints the Bataclan attack in a much more horrifying light. + Show Spoiler +
On July 16 2016 00:59 plated.rawr wrote: My condolences to anyone impacted by this.
On July 15 2016 19:30 stilt wrote: Here what the police seems to have communicate to journalist: _ The guy seemed not very religious, he liked salsa and girls. (he apparently did not go to Syria or stuff like this) _ He was divorcing. _ He slept while driving this truck some days ago and was sentenced for this _ He was mentally instable.
Could be a very deadly nervous breakdown. That would be a strange coincidence considering the context but...
Any more info on this, and any sources? While most people love jumping on EVIL MUSLIMS FROM ISIS whenever a brown guy does something horrible, I find it more realistic that it's just another fucked up guy who happened to be from a muslim-centric culture.
Reminds me of that guy that beheaded his former boss a while ago, yelling "Allahu Akbar", everyone was like "ISIS striked again".
Turned out he was mentally instable, and the boss in question had ended up with his ex-girlfriend, and wasn't really nice to him or something, and he carried out some kind of vengeance on him.
So yeah, not "terrorism" but an actual crime that the guy thought would be good looking as a djihad thing or something....
Don't you think that as long as there is some connection to Islam "Allahu Akbar" there might be a problem to solve? Even if it isn't directly about ISIS
On July 16 2016 00:55 SK.Testie wrote: NSFW link from the Bataclan terrorist attack. The link itself doesn't contain disturbing photos, but paints the Bataclan attack in a much more horrifying light. + Show Spoiler +
On July 16 2016 00:59 plated.rawr wrote: My condolences to anyone impacted by this.
On July 15 2016 19:30 stilt wrote: Here what the police seems to have communicate to journalist: _ The guy seemed not very religious, he liked salsa and girls. (he apparently did not go to Syria or stuff like this) _ He was divorcing. _ He slept while driving this truck some days ago and was sentenced for this _ He was mentally instable.
Could be a very deadly nervous breakdown. That would be a strange coincidence considering the context but...
Any more info on this, and any sources? While most people love jumping on EVIL MUSLIMS FROM ISIS whenever a brown guy does something horrible, I find it more realistic that it's just another fucked up guy who happened to be from a muslim-centric culture.
Reminds me of that guy that beheaded his former boss a while ago, yelling "Allahu Akbar", everyone was like "ISIS striked again".
Turned out he was mentally instable, and the boss in question had ended up with his ex-girlfriend, and wasn't really nice to him or something, and he carried out some kind of vengeance on him.
So yeah, not "terrorism" but an actual crime that the guy thought would be good looking as a djihad thing or something....
Don't you think that as long as there is some connection to Islam "Allahu Akbar" there might be a problem to solve? Even if it isn't directly about ISIS
Islam wasn't the motive, according to the past grudge and what his relatives described. He was pissed and unstable.
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