Terror attack in the French city of Nice - Page 11

On July 15 2016 22:56 Reaps wrote:
Keep in mind there are multiple terrorist attempts in other European country's every year, they have just been foiled by the intelligence services.

Britain for example has stopped at least 3 major terrorist attacks per year since 7/7, more recently "the poppy day killer"

If any of these attacks were successful we wouldn't be asking the question "why France"

As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, security in France could be one of the issue's.

On July 15 2016 20:51 aXa wrote:


Not a lof of people are talking about this in this way, but here is my analysis.

France, despite its ideal for equality and social progress, is very much a segregated country, and this is my opinion the very reason why we are seeing so much attacks happening on France's soil. Of course, France's involvement in Africa and in the middle east is also a factor, but that's not what I want to talk about today.

For a bit of context, I want to talk about the two major immigration waves in France modern history:

-The first, from 1945 to 1970, mostly came from other european countries (Polish, Portuguese, Italians ...). This was during a period of huge prosperity and social progress, and the wealth created was more even shared across all of society.
Integration was not easy, despite the fact that most immigrants were caucasian and catholics. It was however very much possible and overall, the outcome was positive.

-The second wave, from 1970 onwards, came mostly from North Africa and happened during an economic downturn (1973 oil shock) and after a very chaotic end to France's colonial past (End of the Algerian war in 1962). With the latent racism and the poor economic conditions, a segregation settled in France. And the worst part about it is that no one is willing to acknowledge or even talk about it. If you look at France today, the poorest neighbourhood can be entirely comprised of immigrants, with huge unemployment rate, poor access to education, harsh and various discriminations and so on. These are real ghettos, and those ghettos are fertile ground for violence, trafficking, and terrorism.

Now I will use a Game of Thrones analogy to explain my point (spoiler alert)

This economic and social disparity in France is like the underground of the Sept of Baelor filled with wildfire barrels. Radical islam ideology is the spark setting the whole thing ablaze. Don't kid yourself, most of the terrorism in France is homegrown.

Now, if you were to try to prevent the Sept of Baelor to blow up, what would you do ? Would you just keep on eye on the wildfire and make sure no spark would ever come close to it? Or would you try to remove the wildfire in the first place ?

My opinion is that we need to focus on fixing our social inequalities and discriminations plaguing or society. This is the only way to make the wildfire disappears. People will less likely blow themselves up if they have wealth, feel accepted, have a job, a family and a place in society. That is the real long term solution to terrorism, and pretty much everything else, including climate change and the debt crisis. Right now, inequalities are so high that it ressembles the pre-WW1 period. Things can only go worse if it continues like this.

On July 15 2016 22:56 Reaps wrote:
Keep in mind there are multiple terrorist attempts in other European country's every year, they have just been foiled by the intelligence services.

Britain for example has stopped at least 3 major terrorist attacks per year since 7/7, more recently "the poppy day killer"

If any of these attacks were successful we wouldn't be asking the question "why France"

As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, security in France could be one of the issue's.