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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:55 zatic wrote: I just came home. This is one piece of news to immediately sober up a drunk party goer. What terrible news to come home to. I am genuinely concerned what will happen with my dear neighbors now. I would be more concerned about what happened to those 118 people... | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:54 SoSexy wrote: How he wants to believe it's not carried out by muslim terrorists? Do you want to make a bet? I bet 100 euros that this attack was not done by Hinduist nor Gianist nor Protestant terrorists. it's not his job to make a guess no matter how likely it is. If he has no evidence on it he won't speculate on it, even if it's likely. Nothing wrong with that. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:54 SoSexy wrote: How he wants to believe it's not carried out by muslim terrorists? Do you want to make a bet? I bet 100 euros that this attack was not done by Hinduist nor Gianist nor Protestant terrorists. He's the President of the US, dude. He won't make a public comment about the nature of the attacks until the fucking thing is confirmed. Is this unclear to anybody? Does anybody need help to understand that this is how politicians generally operate? They err on the side of caution. Stop babbling about this shit, it's how it fucking works, people. PM me if you need someone to hold your hand and explain how politics work in sensitive topics. Next time someone implies that Obama should outright make assumptions I'll lose my fucking shit. | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:54 Verniy wrote: statement from prime minister trudeau about the situation http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2015/11/13/statement-prime-minister-canada-terrorist-attacks-paris just the usual "it's a tragedy, canada lends its support" deal I wonder if he's having 2nd thoughts about the 25000 refugees right now... at least uping security and background checks on them | ||
micronesia
United States24785 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:54 SoSexy wrote: How he wants to believe it's not carried out by muslim terrorists? Do you want to make a bet? I bet 100 euros that this attack was not done by Hinduist nor Gianist nor Protestant terrorists. What are you proposing President Obama say? "I don't have any specific non-circumstantial evidence as to who is responsible for this attack, but as the leader of a nation of people, I am going to publicly blame a group of people for this." That would not be responsible. He's doing exactly the right thing collecting facts before spouting assumptions. It's not that bad for a random person on the internet to inappropriately declare who is responsible before having legitimate evidence (although still potentially bannable). A president doing that would be horrible. edit: looks like half a dozen people beat me to it lol | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:55 SoSexy wrote: You are just spouting non sequitur. The comparison is so out of place historically that I won't even reply. Dude, one person said "lets invade a country full force, that'll stop ISIS!". I said: that worked well when that happened 70 years ago - it didn't. There's still plenty Nazis around, they just don't go and bomb innocent people usually. It's absolutely retarded and it boggles my mind how one can be so dumb thinking "well if we occupy here and here with all we have, no terrorism will happen anymore". There's a reason why it's called "decentralized", you can't occupy anything because they're all over the place. Including europe. It's a fucking world view, and there will be ALWAYS people who view the world like that - they don't even need to be ISIS. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:58 micronesia wrote: What are you proposing President Obama say? "I don't have any specific non-circumstantial evidence as to who is responsible for this attack, but as the leader of a nation of people, I am going to publicly blame a group of people for this." That would not be responsible. He's doing exactly the right thing collecting facts before spouting assumptions. It's not that bad for a random person on the internet to inappropriately declare who is responsible before having legitimate evidence (although still potentially bannable). A president doing that would be horrible. Imo he could just wait more infos before making a statement. If he has to make a statement which basically says 'I know nothing, but np, I'll tell you more later' he could just tell later. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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ref4
2933 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12491 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:59 SoSexy wrote: Imo he could just wait more infos before making a statement. If he has to make a statement which basically says 'I know nothing, but np, I'll tell you more later' he could just tell later. If he made no statement he would be criticized for that instead. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:58 m4ini wrote: Dude, one person said "lets invade a country full force, that'll stop ISIS!". I said: that worked well when that happened 70 years ago - it didn't. There's still plenty Nazis around, they just don't go and bomb innocent people usually. It's absolutely retarded and it boggles my mind how one can be so dumb thinking "well if we occupy here and here with all we have, no terrorism will happen anymore". There's a reason why it's called "decentralized", you can't occupy anything because they're all over the place. Including europe. It's a fucking world view, and there will be ALWAYS people who view the world like that - they don't even need to be ISIS. You're right about one point - your last sentence. They're everywhere. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On November 14 2015 10:00 ref4 wrote: why are mass violence in Europe like this concentrated in France? eh barring like that crazy Norway Anderson guy and like that one dude that tried to behead a police in Britain Because we have a big muslim population, a colonial history and an economic crisis User was warned for this post | ||
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micronesia
United States24785 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:59 SoSexy wrote: Imo he could just wait more infos before making a statement. If he has to make a statement which basically says 'I know nothing, but np, I'll tell you more later' he could just tell later. Actually, his statement is not meaningless. He's making it clear that he is not prepared to state who is responsible, meaning either he doesn't yet have sufficient intelligence, or he's intentionally withholding the evidence for strategic or tactical reasons. edit: and concur with the post directly below | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:59 SoSexy wrote: Imo he could just wait more infos before making a statement. If he has to make a statement which basically says 'I know nothing, but np, I'll tell you more later' he could just tell later. He made a statement like other heads of state saying his heart was with France tonight. There is no need to wait for that. He'll talk about the specifics later. That's how it is across the entire world. It's how it mostly is every single time. This is a non-issue. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 14 2015 10:00 SoSexy wrote: You're right about one point - your last sentence. They're everywhere. That wasn't the last sentence. And further, if that "they're everywhere" point is correct, you agree to what i said initially. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:47 m4ini wrote: Because we all know, there was no nazis anymore after Hitler died. But how about you explain how "a full force occupation and invasion" would've prevented this here attack. That'd be a start. How many countries did nazis conquer after hitler died. How many neo naziurders have there been since 1945. A lot less than were killed in Paris today. When the west was fighting Islamic terrorists with ground troops in Islamic countries there were two large scale terror attacks in the west: the London and Madrid bombings. Two in fifteen years. Western countries leave because they fought those wars stupidly and now theres been two possibly three in about a year. The west cannot allow this safe haven to exist in Syria and Iraq. It would take a huge army years to do it so it's almost certainly not gonna happen. But saying getting more serious about fighting Islamic state wouldn't have stopped this attack ignores the danger of waging a halfassed aerial campaign against them that has not done much of anything to their safe haven or their ability to fundraise, recruit, get supplies and carry out attacks. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On November 14 2015 10:01 m4ini wrote: That wasn't the last sentence. And further, if that "they're everywhere" point is correct, you agree to what i said initially. The argument is more complex. While it is true that terrorism is delocated, destroying the central core would render the limbs less functional and more confused. If your argument is 'we shouldnt fight in Syria, because they are already here', I don't support. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On November 14 2015 10:00 ref4 wrote: why are mass violence in Europe like this concentrated in France? eh barring like that crazy Norway Anderson guy and like that one dude that tried to behead a police in Britain Different societies.Terrorism has to do with ideology, but also with alot of other social problems. And some nations have these problems more then others. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
- claiming ISIS works for Saudi Arabia is insane, considering that the Saudis bomb them on a daily basis. I don't understand where people would even find this nonsense. There might be some rogue elements in Saudi Arabia funding them, but that's a very different thing. - Obama didn't blame anyone just like Merkel, Putin, Stoltenberg, etc. didn't blame anyone. People are legitimately worried, though, that Obama will fumble this response like he did the one to Charlie Hebdo where he nor Biden showed up to the memorial service alongside pretty much every other Western head of state, and they instead sent what's-his-ambassador Taylor. | ||
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