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imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
August 25 2015 11:37 GMT
#21
Something as small as calling Taiwan a province of china really shouldn't piss me off, but it does. I'm full Taiwanese, and I was raised to hate being associated with China, even though we're more or less the same people. I never really understood why my parents raised me like that, but after several years, there's this gut-wrenching feeling telling me its okay to hate the communism, Chinese businesses ripping off international logos and cutting corners on consumer safety, the poor image of Chinese foreign students at my college....the list goes on.
I can't explain how I feel (it might be racism against chinese people?), but it just really irks me to be associated with Chinese people.
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-25 12:07:56
August 25 2015 12:06 GMT
#22
it makes sense; mainland chinese people, government, and businesses all have a generally bad image

and the language is harsh and lends to native speakers having hard-to-listen-to accents in other languages

just an unfortunate culture all around
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
August 25 2015 13:41 GMT
#23
it seems these county names are automatically generated. I doubt a sensible person would consciously put such a name in.

that being said, taiwan people don't want to be lumped in together with china, generally speaking. chinese are generally as good as identifying similarities in taiwanese as taiwanese is good at identifying differences in chinese. it's all kind of pointless.

is taiwan different enough to warrant it being a separate country? I don't think that's the point at all. Tibet is certainly very different from China, more so than taiwan, yet it is part of china like it or not. It's just U.S. backing up taiwan so that it didn't get rolled over. The decision to remain a separate country should be decided by the inhabitants of a region, and made possible by sufficient force. As it stands taiwan has enough people believing it should be a separate country, and has enough forces behind it to remain a separate country (with u.s. backing), so good for them.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-25 13:47:34
August 25 2015 13:46 GMT
#24
a lot of taiwanese people do feel "superior" to chinese, for pretty much the same reason white people feel superior to black people. what they don't realize is the circumstances dictates how well someone turns out far more than innate abilities, and all the rudeness and backward behaviours they see in chinese are product of an underdeveloped country rather than the people themselves. those taiwanese people annoy me.

although, the more / better educated one gets, true for both taiwanese and chinese, the more openminded one becomes. in that case we regard each other as fascinating countries and express a longing to visit and explore each other's cultures, rather than pointing fingers in contempt.

i'd love to visit taiwan some day, i've heard so many good things about it haha.
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Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
August 25 2015 13:52 GMT
#25
It is an us vs them mentality, no doubt born from the civil war decades back. As a Taiwanese-American, honestly I can't give a crap about that. Also Taiwanese have mixed blood with the traditional islanders and groups, so there are mild differences. That being said, I want to visit China one day .
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MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-25 19:16:22
August 25 2015 18:46 GMT
#26
On August 25 2015 22:46 evanthebouncy! wrote:
a lot of taiwanese people do feel "superior" to chinese, for pretty much the same reason white people feel superior to black people. what they don't realize is the circumstances dictates how well someone turns out far more than innate abilities, and all the rudeness and backward behaviours they see in chinese are product of an underdeveloped country rather than the people themselves. those taiwanese people annoy me.


Feelings of superiority exist independently of the causes we assign for their existence. The immediacy of our assertion that we are better than something else is not predicated on our erroneous assignment of secondary causes. The obvious visibility of superiority produces its own sensation; it justifies itself in a thousand ways which will never be articulated, much less rationalised. By the very nature of things, superiority is first felt, then asserted, and only lastly are its causes contemplated, if at all.

If tomorrow Taiwan were to be poorer and more base than the Mainland, Taiwan would maintain its assertion of uniqueness from the Mainland all the same, and it will have nothing to do with economics or politics. Reason creates families, but Time sustains them. The Civil War created the divorce, but it is not the thing that sustains it today.

This also explains the reason why anything can be counterfeit, everyone is corrupt, and nothing is safe, including milk powder, buildings, food, chemical plants, and so on.


Of the four traditional classes within Chinese society: the literati, the farmer, the artisan, and the merchant, the merchant had always been considered the lowest class, both in their expected adherence to morality, and their social prestige. The development of the China in the last forty years has seen a massive shift from the farmer to the merchant as the backbone of Chinese society, with moral consequences which can barely be exaggerated, since the proverbial dishonesty of the Chinese merchant is now an asset, rather than the marks of infamy that they were during more puritanical times.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-25 20:12:24
August 25 2015 20:11 GMT
#27
4 systems (Hong-Kong, Macau, Taïwan, Mainland) , 1 country
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
August 25 2015 20:17 GMT
#28
the X systems 1 country is wishful thinking by the PRC though...at least in regards to Taiwan.
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R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10342 Posts
August 25 2015 21:13 GMT
#29
Did you try contacting them about it? What did they say?
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-25 23:58:03
August 25 2015 23:56 GMT
#30
why would you point out slight changes in the characters to mean a different word....thats every language, thats how words work, those "slight changes" arent slight to people who can read/write chinese just like in English weather and whether first glance by a non native speaker sure you be like arent those close to the same, but us its very obvious they're different, and in chinese some "characters" that make up the word are smaller than others its just how it is but people who know the language have no problem with it, unless they're children who are learning, but then u cant judge things like that.

Also its not like the mainland chinese people have no clue about traditional, thats where its from. Even though it was switched to be easier for the new generation to learn, many old texts, signs are still used by mainland china, many adults can read it fine, the new generation may find it harder, but i know students who pick it up quickly because the differences might seem "complicated to you" but many of them retain the same structure, because the simplified version is not just a whole new character its just simplified.

Differences in accents of mandarin is not the way to distinguish because every part of china has differences in pronunciations, though slight. Dialects also dont count because theres a crazy amount of dialects throughout mainland china.

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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
August 26 2015 01:32 GMT
#31
Weird decision by them to do so.
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nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3769 Posts
September 01 2015 09:01 GMT
#32
On August 26 2015 06:13 R1CH wrote:
Did you try contacting them about it? What did they say?

Assuming that's a question to me - I don't use Twitter so no. I guess I could register on their forum which might just be interesting.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3769 Posts
September 03 2015 15:16 GMT
#33
OK so I asked on the forum and the ISO hypothesis was correct. More so they appear to be willing to rename the country to "Taiwan, Republic of China" which I think is super fine. Anyone from Taiwan - can you confirm or deny?
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
September 03 2015 15:25 GMT
#34
Yeah that is a pretty good description. I see no issues with that
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Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
September 07 2015 08:47 GMT
#35
On September 04 2015 00:16 nimdil wrote:
OK so I asked on the forum and the ISO hypothesis was correct. More so they appear to be willing to rename the country to "Taiwan, Republic of China" which I think is super fine. Anyone from Taiwan - can you confirm or deny?


That's certainly accurate enough, considering that's actually what it says on our passports.
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nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3769 Posts
September 07 2015 08:55 GMT
#36
http://www.esportsearnings.com/countries

And now it's Taiwan, Republic of China.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
September 07 2015 10:14 GMT
#37
Good work!
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