EPTWhy are you afraid to die? - Page 5
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
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Pseudo_Utopia
Canada827 Posts
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~AreS]
Canada2170 Posts
On January 13 2007 00:22 Pseudo_Utopia wrote: Honestly, I just think that what happens after the moment of death is 100% unpredictable. Thus you can have no opinion of what death means as a change. You might say ' ' you won`t be able to experience the world that we know now ' ' but you still don't know whether that`s true or not. Since everything that we are is created by impulses in the brain, it's safe to assume no impulse = no consciousness. Worst case scenario you end up retarded, at which point you don't give a damn. | ||
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gLyo
United States2410 Posts
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
On January 13 2007 00:24 ~AreS] wrote: Since everything that we are is created by impulses in the brain, it's safe to assume no impulse = no consciousness. Worst case scenario you end up retarded, at which point you don't give a damn. but you are not dead when you're capable of not giving a damn?? i agree with the no consciousness part though. i'll try putting it into different words... imo we can only understand what death is when it happens to others, since the mechanism of our understanding is taken away from us when we ourselves die. | ||
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
On January 13 2007 00:32 gLyo wrote: Not really scared of actually dying, just all that it implies. what do you mean by this? | ||
jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
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~AreS]
Canada2170 Posts
On January 13 2007 00:39 jkillashark wrote: I'd rather live like there is a God and find out there isn't than live like there isn't and find out there is. Why? Imagine going in with no expectations and ending up in heaven. Is that not great? | ||
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nArAnjO
Peru2571 Posts
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nArAnjO
Peru2571 Posts
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bearnet2001
Argentina335 Posts
Everyone who is trying to explain an emotion with a thinking reason completely missed the boat on this one - you don't 'feel' because you 'think a certain thought': for example, you don't feel happy when a particularly hot girl talks to you because you have some intellectual reason to, you simply have the genetic makeup that makes you feel that way. Similarly, you aren't afraid (emotion) to die because of some though or reason, you simply have the genetic makeup that makes you feel that way. | ||
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bearnet2001
Argentina335 Posts
On January 13 2007 00:39 jkillashark wrote: I'd rather live like there is a God and find out there isn't than live like there isn't and find out there is. Look up Pascal's Wager on Wikipedia - basically, the rebuttal is, what happens if you end up believing in and worshipping God, and it turns out that there is a God BUT the God rewards those who don't believe and punishes those who do believe? | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
i think that everything man creates - technology, religion, art, medicine, science - all aims in some way to either prolong life or to help forget, at least for a moment, about death. it is why we build monuments like the pyramids - perhaps we believe we immortalize ourselves in our creations, even though logic dictates this simply isn't true. i guess i don't want to die before i can accept the inevitability of death. if i were to die right now and looked back on my life, i'd feel like the whole time it was missing something important. i'd rather not feel that way before i do die... i want to feel whole and at peace. maybe now i'm rambling, good thread though | ||
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nArAnjO
Peru2571 Posts
On January 13 2007 01:10 bearnet2001 wrote: Look up Pascal's Wager on Wikipedia - basically, the rebuttal is, what happens if you end up believing in and worshipping God, and it turns out that there is a God BUT the God rewards those who don't believe and punishes those who do believe? yeah, that's retarded. Basically the whole idea of punishing seems really retarded to me. | ||
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
The thing that I do fear is not bringing respect to my family, or if I died prematurely how it would effect them :X | ||
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DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
On January 13 2007 00:39 jkillashark wrote: I'd rather live like there is a God and find out there isn't than live like there isn't and find out there is. Yea well what about all the other religions, or even the different branches of Christianity. Most of you are going to go to Hell, even if one of your Gods does exist. | ||
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bearnet2001
Argentina335 Posts
On January 13 2007 01:12 nArAnjO wrote: yeah, that's retarded. Basically the whole idea of punishing seems really retarded to me. Well basically Pascal's Wager is an attempt to convince a non-Christian to believe in the Christian God, based on probabilities and expected values. Essentially it goes: If you believe in God and God exists, you win eternal happiness. If you believe in God and God does not exist, nothing happens. if you don't believe in God and God exists, you get eternal torment. If you don't believe in God and God exists, nothing happens. And therefore it is better to 'bet' by believing in God. --- The flaw of course is that the wager assumes that either the Christian God exists or no god at all exists - it discounts the possibility of a God that rewards a lack of belief and punishes belief. Once you include that possibility it cancels out the rewards/punishment of a Christian God, and so the wager is dead - there is no point in betting by believing. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Still im just kinda afraid cause i find it so menacing..probably its just like sleeping, though.. - -v | ||
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nArAnjO
Peru2571 Posts
On January 13 2007 01:15 bearnet2001 wrote: Well basically Pascal's Wager is an attempt to convince a non-Christian to believe in the Christian God, based on probabilities and expected values. Essentially it goes: If you believe in God and God exists, you win eternal happiness. If you believe in God and God does not exist, nothing happens. if you don't believe in God and God exists, you get eternal torment. If you don't believe in God and God exists, nothing happens. And therefore it is better to 'bet' by believing in God. --- The flaw of course is that the wager assumes that either the Christian God exists or no god at all exists - it discounts the possibility of a God that rewards a lack of belief and punishes belief. Once you include that possibility it cancels out the rewards/punishment of a Christian God, and so the wager is dead - there is no point in betting by believing. Another flaw is that maybe, just MAYBE a God full of love as believers say (i have no clue if it's true or not, and neither does anyone but whatever) just doesn't punish, he rather forgives ._. | ||
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Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
On January 13 2007 00:39 jkillashark wrote: I'd rather live like there is a God and find out there isn't than live like there isn't and find out there is. Well said. | ||
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