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“There has to be a strong business case. We're going to make sure that decision is taken based on what is in the best interest of Canadians, writ large.”
So, literally all the have to do is say "think of all the jobs you'll lose", and that could be considered a strong business case.
Doesn't seem all too promising to me.
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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has given his first official order starting the process towards legalizing weed.
In a public mandate letter issued to Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould Friday, Trudeau listed the government's top priorities, including working with the Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness and Health ministers to "create a federal-provincial-territorial process that will lead to the legalization and regulation of marijuana."
The letter also calls for a review of sentencing reforms with the goal of reducing incarceration rates amongst Indigenous Canadians. Under Stephen Harper, the Conservatives imposed mandatory minimum sentences for drug crimes, including growing marijuana—a policy that has been widely criticized as "cruel and unusual."
In the absence of an official cannabis policy change, police forces across the country are using their discretion when deciding whether or not to enforce current drug laws.
Nanaimo, BC RCMP recently ordered several medical marijuana dispensaries in the city to shut down or potentially face criminal prosecution. A compassion club in Saskatoon, where a police officer told VICE he would "charge on a leftover roach" if possible, was also recently raided.
In Vancouver, cops generally don't lay charges for simple possession, but the city's 100 or so pot dispensaries, which operate in a grey market, are being cracked down on through new municipal regulations.
The Public Prosecution Service of Canada told VICE that it will continue to prosecute drug offences under the existing laws.
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Yea, send em back and let em starve/die homeless. Clearly 'dey took der jerbs' is more important than saving people's lives.
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when Ontario has the resources to take care of the 50 homeless people i pass every day as i walk from Yonge//Isabella to Yonge//Bloor we can worry about the rest of the homeless in the world
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On December 11 2015 11:25 Tephus wrote:
Yea, send em back and let em starve/die homeless. Clearly 'dey took der jerbs' is more important than saving people's lives.
The entire Continent of Africa says hi and questions why they aren't being flown in as well.
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the best thing about Canada is that there are no people in it 
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Ontario does have the resources to take care of those 50 homeless people you pass every day, they just choose to allocate their money differently. The amount of wealth in first world countries, even though it it might not feel this way to everyone, is astounding. Just because choices are made to not help them doesnt mean it couldn't be done.
On December 11 2015 11:36 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2015 11:25 Tephus wrote:
Yea, send em back and let em starve/die homeless. Clearly 'dey took der jerbs' is more important than saving people's lives. The entire Continent of Africa says hi and questions why they aren't being flown in as well.
A good portion of the 'Syrian' refugees flooding into Europe are actually from Africa. There is also a difference between a refugee, who doesn't have a place to stay, and a people that are struggling to survive in a relatively safe place. We are
to some degree helping those in Africa that need it with aid, but they don't need to be flown in because they are 'safe' where they are. Syrian's (and these other African refugees from war torn areas) aren't safe staying where they are, so they have to leave to survive.
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right, if u think there are only 50 homeless people in toronto u r dreaming. once they fix the homeless people issue in Toronto .. if there is any cash left over they can be charitable to the rest of the world.
Ontario is drowning in a sea of red ink and selling off its own infrastructure in a fire sale to make the mortgage payments. the medical system has been pretty solid for decades and it is now slowly falling apart as they fuck the CCAC system into the ground and undercut the lifeblood of the system... its nurses.
again, Ontario is the most indebted sub-soveriegn jurisdiction in NA on a per capita basis.... by a country mile.
giant deterioration in the public school system causing extended labour battles with teachers at every level.. highest university tuition in Canada.... ultra cheap generation hydro-electric power is now a distant memory...as Mcguinty and Wynne thoroughly mismanaged everything.
i can go on and on
Ontario needs to clean up its own act first before trying to be charitable.
Wynne and Mcguinty have made Mike Harris look like the 2nd coming of George Washington.
How long have you lived in Ontario?
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On December 11 2015 12:43 Tephus wrote:Ontario does have the resources to take care of those 50 homeless people you pass every day, they just choose to allocate their money differently. The amount of wealth in first world countries, even though it it might not feel this way to everyone, is astounding. Just because choices are made to not help them doesnt mean it couldn't be done. Show nested quote +On December 11 2015 11:36 killa_robot wrote:On December 11 2015 11:25 Tephus wrote:
Yea, send em back and let em starve/die homeless. Clearly 'dey took der jerbs' is more important than saving people's lives. The entire Continent of Africa says hi and questions why they aren't being flown in as well. A good portion of the 'Syrian' refugees flooding into Europe are actually from Africa. There is also a difference between a refugee, who doesn't have a place to stay, and a people that are struggling to survive in a relatively safe place. We are to some degree helping those in Africa that need it with aid, but they don't need to be flown in because they are 'safe' where they are. Syrian's (and these other African refugees from war torn areas) aren't safe staying where they are, so they have to leave to survive.
Alot of those homeless people are also homeless by design. Alot of the public health workers and aides I know run into homeless people everyday who are just happy to mooch of the welfare system and wait their turn to get some kind of project housing assignment.
Compared to the rest of north america (and Ive been around) Toronto is doing just fine.
I immigrated in the investor category. The amount of Hong Kong and CHina money gaming it and just investing in real estate is part of the reason ON and BC housing markets are so broken.
You would be better off just getting normal people who will work normal jobs and pay whatever tax bracket they fall in.
Some of my friends and I fall in the top 10 percent of earners and I can never even dream of buying a home even close to the GTA at the moment because those people with "2 million to invest" dont have any real markets to invest in and just keep gathering real estate for their kids attending college while they get their canadian passports.
Granted its not as great it was 10 years ago, not even close but compared to the rest of NA Ontario has come off relatively unscathed. Your arguments present the sort of divisive logic that got Trump to where he is at.
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most of my class mates who were immigrants or 2nd gen. arrived via their parents being in the investor category. good work ethic. willing to learn. over all really high quality people. i'll take em.
the housing market in ONTARIO with the exception of Toronto is fine. the problem is that its too hard to get a $30/hour job in Ontario relative to 10 years ago because Mcguinty and Wynne have mismanaged the province's economy.
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On December 11 2015 13:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
most of my class mates who were immigrants or 2nd gen. arrived via their parents being in the investor category. good work ethic. willing to learn. over all really high quality people. i'll take em.
the housing market is fine. the problem is that its too hard to get a $30/hour in Ontario relative to 15 years ago because Mcguinty and Wynne have mismanaged the province's economy.
Right, housing is not broken, people just arent earning enough money. /facepalm. Im just going to stop discussing this because that was the most agenda driven comment I will ever hope to see from a Canadian, and I like Canadians.
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don't discuss it guy.. because you do not know what you are talking about.
agenda driven?
ADDRESS THE DEBT.
its not citizens fault the economy sucks in Ontario and it was much better from 1995 to 2005. it was far easier to get a high paying job that could support having a mortgage. i don't really blame people for moving to Alberta for better opportunities.
Ontario is flailing.
Ontario used to be great and now its average and falling fast. Ontario was teh economic engine that drove the country. Ontario has become a "have not" province and receives equalization payments from the Feds. So sad.
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/04/22/most-have-not-provinces-in-denial-about-getting-equalization-poll
"Those deepest in denial in the Feb. 9-11 poll were Ontarians, by a wide margin."
when u have some actual facts to back up your claims post em.
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Obviously there are more than 50... I was just continuing to use the number you brought up...
Just because they are mismanaging the provinces wealth does not mean the province is poor. Ontario still has the second highest average income among provinces in Canada (few year old numbers), and if you want to compare on a global scale....
Just because you perceive certain things as being worse than they were, or cite specific numbers that are underperforming right now does not mean Ontario is poor. If you compare to anything globally, Onatrio still has immense per capita GDP.
I don't disagree that internal fiscal management could be leaps better, but I really think thats pretty irrelevant to the question of whether we should do our part in saving people's lives. The cost to do so is extremely minimal in comparison of any of the budget numbers of any developed country. Even in the best of times you can find people saying it's not good enough: for some people it's never the 'right' time.
And while most of the refugees aren't going to be high skilled workers (I'm sure some will have some decent skills), they can still contribute to our economy.
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On December 11 2015 14:02 Tephus wrote:
but I really think thats pretty irrelevant to the question of whether we should do our part in saving people's lives. The cost to do so is extremely minimal in comparison of any of the budget numbers of any developed country.
based on Ontario's dire financial position and quickly eroding infrastructure it is the last place in North America that should be doing charity work.
CCAC's any one? when Ontario tries to transition away from CCAC and over to LHIN watch for billions in medical fraud. billions.
http://www.lfpress.com/2015/05/14/ccacs-may-be-on-way-out
this is just the tip of the iceberg.
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the low this week in Winnipeg is going to be -15. its gonna be +12 in TO today. if you stuck most Torontonians in Winnipeg, Edmonton or Regina they wouldn't want to be in Canada either.
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a province with an eroding social infrastructure and mounting debt should not be bringing in Syrian refugees.
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2015/12/15/funding-to-combat-sex-trafficking-in-ontario-lags-behind-other-provinces.html
for shame Ontario.. for shame... this is just sad and its the tip of the iceberg... as Ontario's social infrastructure falls apart under the weight of an ever weakening economy.
It took about 10 years..but Kathleen Wynne , Dalton Mcguinty and Stephen Harper have combined to fuck a great place into the ground. Way To Go Guys.
MIke Harris and Bill Davis are sitting back and laughing their asses off.
Maybe the Syrian refugees can work in the Lakeview Generating station? lol
what am i doing about it? i'm voting with my feet.
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Anecdotally, Ontario is getting really demographically hurt by mismanagement. My 2 brothers, my father and I have taken our best earning years west to Alberta and Saskatchewan and are paying taxes there.
Just about incentives and reaping what you target. If you devote tax dollars helping poor people you get more poor people. If you create an Alberta advantage where investment pay off and taxes are low you get ambitious citizens.
Sometimes i feel guilty about Ontario investing in my childhood health and education and taking my taxpaying years to Alberta until I read election rhetoric that 6 figure income earners are the enemy who needs to pay more for their mismanagement.
We voted with our feet too.
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