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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18002 Posts
fuck off Bombardier. no corporate welfare for these losers. they are making TTC StreetCars that don't work in Mexico.. let'em fry. the whole TTC Streetcar mess is comical. every bum west of the Humber Loop knows they can ride for free... they get on... walk all over the streetcar looking for a valid transfer and then they get a free ride any where in the city LOL.  | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On November 05 2015 23:21 JimmyJRaynor wrote: http://www.fool.ca/2015/11/04/will-justin-trudeau-help-bail-out-bombardier-inc/ fuck off Bombardier. no corporate welfare for these losers. they are making TTC StreetCars that don't work in Mexico.. let'em fry. the whole TTC Streetcar mess is comical. every bum west of the Humber Loop knows they can ride for free... they get on... walk all over the streetcar looking for a valid transfer and then they get a free ride any where in the city LOL. Have you heard of what they did in South Korea? http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/bombardier-transportation-accused-of-corruption-in-south-korea-1.2935567 A single-car elevated train with 18km of rails. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18002 Posts
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
...yeah, not surprising that he turned it down... | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18002 Posts
from day 1 every job paid. why any one takes any kind of unpaid anything is beyond me. | ||
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LegacyOfTheVoidUser1
21 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18002 Posts
or go to a university with paid co-op programs. u let big orgs think u can work for free and u end up with stuff like what is going on in Florida. not only does the baseball team get teh stadium for nothing, but now .. in a special government program for ex-cons the florida marlins get free labour. in order to sell every player to the BLue Jays ... the Marlins needed to save as much money as possible. ummm ya. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On November 10 2015 10:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote: true that is one way, or go to a university with paid co-op programs. u let big orgs think u can work for free and u end up with stuff like what is going on in Florida. not only does the baseball team get teh stadium for nothing, but now .. in a special government program for ex-cons the florida marlins get free labour. in order to sell every player to the BLue Jays ... the Marlins needed to save as much money as possible. ummm ya. To be fair not everyone can get into paid co-op progarams, depending on the school they can be very competitive and with very few slots. In the US its stupidly exploitative, you have a better chance of getting a paid co-op from a Canadian University in the US then you do from certain Ivy leagues. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18002 Posts
On November 10 2015 12:06 Rebs wrote: To be fair not everyone can get into paid co-op progarams, depending on the school they can be very competitive and with very few slots. In the US its stupidly exploitative, you have a better chance of getting a paid co-op from a Canadian University in the US then you do from certain Ivy leagues. good point for the US. I'd say Waterloo is tough but not impossible. Obviously, many, many, want the "big prize" ...that being electrical engineering. However, you can get a B.Math. and get into the Math Faculty at Waterloo by jus being somewhat above average... start working only 4 months after attending ur first academic term.. and pay for your education. i did the software engineering B.A. SC. thing and the entrance requirements were substantially tougher than getting going into the Math faculty. What i discovered was.. if u take a couple of tough compueter science courses like say building a compiler and making an OS in the same term.. ur program is damn damn hard. Over all, the software engineering guys do make more cash.. the difference isn't that big and if the B.Math guy has some political smarts and business savvy he can make major , major cash. 5 years after graduating with my big name degree and thinking i'm somehow "better" than a BMath guy .. its just laughable. 5 years after graduating if CombotEX (math guy) has more skills , talent. is an opportunist and politically savvy he'll make more cash then me. its that simple. 5 years after graduating what i've discovered is that i should've just gone to the Father Guido Sarducci 5-minute-university. i just love the Canadian post secondary education system because it gives hard working poor people a real chance to go from being poor to being upper middle class... and what a women's hockey team | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On November 08 2015 15:46 WolfintheSheep wrote: "internship in project management" ...yeah, not surprising that he turned it down... Maybe I'm missing something, what do you mean? He's now going to do that with another company now instead. :O But Bombardier would've paid him. Does internship implies unpaid work or something? In this case it was more of a "formative temp job" for which you're paid but not quite as much as a perm employee would be. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On November 10 2015 12:44 Djzapz wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, what do you mean? He's now going to do that with another company now instead. :O But Bombardier would've paid him. Does internship implies unpaid work or something? In this case it was more of a "formative temp job" for which you're paid but not quite as much as a perm employee would be. Yeah, internship generally implies little-to-no pay positions doing genuine work, all for the "privilege" of working for a serious company and getting your foot in the door. Co-op, at the least, implies that the company recognizes you still as a learning student and will give the responsibilities and opportunities to match. Now, being an intern for project management? That basically says a company is taking positions that should require experience and knowledge, and handing it over to inexperienced people with no paycheck attached. I mean, if my company said "Let me introduce you to your new manager - he just graduated and he's an intern" I'd start looking for a new job ASAP. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On November 10 2015 12:44 Djzapz wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, what do you mean? He's now going to do that with another company now instead. :O But Bombardier would've paid him. Does internship implies unpaid work or something? In this case it was more of a "formative temp job" for which you're paid but not quite as much as a perm employee would be. No, technically an internship is job training or I dont know ... ermmm.. apprenticeship is the best word I can think of The idea behind it as a student is that you are going to be working on things related to your field with the eventual goal of either going into that field when you graduate or a similar one while garnering real world experiences as student. You dont have to be a student to get an internship, but most good companies will take promising students as interns, groom not just their skills but their identity to fit with the company culture and if you do well enough you have a job ready for you out of college, you can choose to take or not take. One of the benefits of coop programs which are usually paid internships, is that if you are paying instate tuitions for undergrad, the money you make from a paid coop will more or less pay for your education at the very least, there other benefits such as the co op counting towards graduating credits etc etc. Its generally a good thing, if you are in co op program you are winning at life. You may not keep winning, but for that time you are ahead. The nature of the work you do in coops also tests your education quite a bit so if your not smart or dont know your field reasonably well for your level you will probably not get one in the first place or you will struggle. In reality you could be a total numbskull when it comes to the technical aspects of your field but have great people skills and still get a foot in the door. Which is fine, these are also very important skills and you can be the smartest coder on the planet for but without people skills you are pretty much useless. A good base of core competency (not being an idiot, and willing to learn) and good communications skills are all it takes to land a decent internship. Oh yeah and do good in school. Otherwise you get the piss internships. Even if you slack of in school, Internships help to network and frankly alot of internships in the US will hire interns to do dumb shit for free and its upto the intern to show initiative and work their asses of, again for free to impress someone involved in the decision making process on whether they like you or not. In a sense its a way to makeup the things missing from your GPA. | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
Internships after graduation make zero sense to me...is that sort of thing common in other STEM industries? | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On November 10 2015 13:25 Wegandi wrote: As someone who has mostly worked in the healthcare field (COTA/CNA out of HS/etc.), I find it peculiar that there are people who think internships provide nothing valuable to you, though granted, I am assuming they're at least similar in regards to fieldwork/clinicals. It sounds silly for a company to pay you, a student, to perform a job where you don't have the adequate knowledge or skills, and the purpose of is to learn said hard and soft skills/job requirements/etc. plus, the networking opportunities, and a host of other benefits. Internships after graduation make zero sense to me...is that sort of thing common in other STEM industries? Internships after 2007/8 were a very common thing on the east coast 2008-2011. It was essentially companies trialing grads without commitment. Ofcourse that had alot to do with the climate. It was a bit of a trend in Pharma and Biotech research iirc. Internships are never bad. Ever but there are internships where you get 0 hard skills but soft skills are just as important and experience is experience even if its miserable. Coops are the real deal though. You dont go in thinking imma a learn. You do the same stuff an entry level analyst would be doing and its alot of work. Hence why they last 6 months to a year sometimes and you take time off school. You essentially delay graduation to work for that period but its totally worth it. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On November 10 2015 13:15 WolfintheSheep wrote: Yeah, internship generally implies little-to-no pay positions doing genuine work, all for the "privilege" of working for a serious company and getting your foot in the door. Co-op, at the least, implies that the company recognizes you still as a learning student and will give the responsibilities and opportunities to match. Now, being an intern for project management? That basically says a company is taking positions that should require experience and knowledge, and handing it over to inexperienced people with no paycheck attached. I mean, if my company said "Let me introduce you to your new manager - he just graduated and he's an intern" I'd start looking for a new job ASAP. Well he's doing a project management masters and the word we use for what he'd have done at Bombardier in French is a "stage" (not to be confused with the English word that is spelled the same way) which I thought translated to internship in English but I guess not. "Stages" generally involve writing a paper describing the workplace experience and whatnot, and it's then credited as a passed course or seminar. Presumably he wouldn't be working on managing the airbuses, but rather he'd work on the management of some smaller project in a team. That being said, he does have quite a bit of experience in management, having worked for Hydro-Quebec for a while and other such things. | ||
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Tephus
Cascadia1754 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18002 Posts
On November 11 2015 05:18 Tephus wrote: Unpaid internships are generally illegal in Canada, unless the employer recieves no real work out of the relationship. Know your rights guys. +1 i like Trudeau's stance on Bombardier http://www.thestar.com/business/2015/11/10/bombardier-needs-to-make-business-case-says-trudeau.html i just hope he really means it | ||
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