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Ragnarork

France9034 Posts

January 09 2015 15:50 GMT

#1501

On January 10 2015 00:44 FFW_Rude wrote:

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So i'm misinformed then (not to say i was in the first place). Because i thought "carte blanche" was only possible in the "Etat d'urgence" case.

No in this case it has nothing to do with state of emergency. It's just how the hierachical relations work between the President and the police force command.

FFW_Rude

France10201 Posts

January 09 2015 15:51 GMT

#1502

On January 10 2015 00:49 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:

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could you guys from france add a small explanation when posting about places like that? so we dont have to google evrytime to understand whats going on

Basicly "Porte" means "Door" or "Gates". "Porte de Vincennes" is a gate to enter Paris from/near Vincennes (if i'm not mistaken).

This is Paris map with what happened there. For the "brother situation" check the post under me.
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Grettin

42416 Posts

January 09 2015 15:51 GMT

#1503

On January 10 2015 00:49 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:

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could you guys from france add a small explanation when posting about places like that? so we dont have to google evrytime to understand whats going on

You can keep these in mind. Unless you wanted more detailed information about the current places..

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Makro

France16890 Posts

January 09 2015 15:52 GMT

#1504

On January 10 2015 00:48 sharkie wrote:

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On January 10 2015 00:46 Makro wrote:

On January 10 2015 00:44 FFW_Rude wrote:

On January 10 2015 00:40 Makro wrote:

On January 10 2015 00:37 Grettin wrote:

On January 10 2015 00:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:

On January 10 2015 00:25 SoSexy wrote:

On January 10 2015 00:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:

On January 09 2015 23:20 FFW_Rude wrote:
I'm sorry but "Etat d'urgence" must be called. They need too. It's too big.

for non french. "Etat d'urgence" is special police rights. I dunno how to explain it iun english sorry

Why would you need a state of emergency?? They haven't asked for it, and they most probably don't need it. It's a really, really, really extreme me sure. Situation is grave, but I don't think it would change anything except creating a bit more confusion and panic

If this is not an état d'urgence situation, i don't know what is

That's not the point. State of emergency is a extreme tool you use if you need it. They don't need it.

Or you will have to explain me how solving two hostage crisis will be made easier with a state of emergency. It's not like suddenly policemen will become super heroes, it just suspends the normal functioning of the institutions and some of the rights of citizens. which is great if you are being invaded or if you have a coup going on, or something like that.

Right now that's completely useless and unnecessary.

While i agree with you, does this mean the police forces have to ask for permission (From the President e.g) when to strike, lets say in a situation that the forces at the scene would see it fit to strike right that moment?

technically before the assault of the gign, they need the order from the president

i said technically because usually i suppose he will gives to the chief of the operation carte blanche

So i'm misinformed then (not to say i was in the first place). Because i thought "carte blanche" was only possible in the "Etat d'urgence" case.

in our constitution the president can start a war without even the approval of the parliament and without the necessity of an état d'urgence

what i want to mean is that the president has a huge room for manoeuvre without any state of emergency

French presidents have almost dictator kind of level powers indeed.
I always thought it was way too much.

this constitution was made during the war of algeria when the parliament was too retarded to decide of everything, so De Gaulle before going into power wanted to be sure that the constitution give to the president enough power to manage a crisis - without waiting for the parliament

i know this is a personal opinion and it's not relevant to this thread (and i will stop here), but i think that, considering the nature of the retarded french parliament, it's the best that fit for france

Ragnarork

France9034 Posts

January 09 2015 15:53 GMT

#1505

Yep. The gates of Paris are road and foot entrances of Paris from the suburbs (and from the peripheral boulevard that circles Paris, and which is currently closed).

Most of the time they bear the name of the nearby city. For example, Porte de Vincennes (Vincennes' gate) is near the Vincennes city.

Grettin

42416 Posts

January 09 2015 15:56 GMT

#1506

Gunfire and explosions at Dammartin En Goele. Live on Sky News..

Ragnarork

France9034 Posts

January 09 2015 15:57 GMT

#1507

Apparently, assault has just started in Dammartin, where the two shooters are.

Ishentar

France122 Posts

January 09 2015 15:58 GMT

#1508

Assault underway at Dammartine. No information from Vincenne. Massive gunfire & explosion.

Makro

France16890 Posts

January 09 2015 15:58 GMT

#1509

i just hope no casualties on the gign side

Aeromi

France14463 Posts

January 09 2015 15:58 GMT

#1510

If you don't surrender, our pro drawner is going to draw your Prophet. Priceless.

ahswtini

Northern Ireland22213 Posts

January 09 2015 15:59 GMT

#1511

Oh shit, good luck to the security forces

FFW_Rude

France10201 Posts

January 09 2015 16:00 GMT

#1512

Please be the end of this.

Makro

France16890 Posts

January 09 2015 16:01 GMT

#1513

30 seconds of gunfire, this is extremely long

Biff The Understudy

France8185 Posts

January 09 2015 16:01 GMT

#1514

On January 10 2015 00:58 Aeromi wrote:
https://twitter.com/julienazarian/status/553572726452273152
If you don't surrender, our pro drawner is going to draw your Prophet. Priceless.

This is absolute gold

Ishentar

France122 Posts

January 09 2015 16:01 GMT

#1515

It stopped but it starts again even louder.

eieio

United States14512 Posts

January 09 2015 16:02 GMT

#1516

From BBC

The BBC's Imelda Flattery reports that shooting is erupting now at the warehouse in Dammartin.

Smoke has also been seen coming from the building where the Charlie Hebdo suspects are holed up, Reuters reports.

Grettin

42416 Posts

January 09 2015 16:03 GMT

#1517

On January 10 2015 01:01 Makro wrote:
30 seconds of gunfire, this is extremely long

It was definitely longer and with few explosions, just by watching it happening live. Burst and semi-auto firing.

On_Slaught

United States12190 Posts

January 09 2015 16:03 GMT

#1518

I'm worried about what might happen at the Supermarket if that guy, whose demand apparently is that the 2 brothers are released, finds out that the assault just started.

Hopefully he doesn't have TV/phone access in there. No doubt they shut down all phone service in the region.

pellejohnson

United States1931 Posts

January 09 2015 16:03 GMT

#1519

On January 10 2015 01:01 Makro wrote:
30 seconds of gunfire, this is extremely long

Indeed. Should be less than 10 seconds if even that much. I guess there will be lot of causalities...

BlitzerSC

Italy8800 Posts

January 09 2015 16:03 GMT

#1520

Apparently the French police has gone inside the building? I hope they catch them alive.