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On May 19 2017 20:04 bardtown wrote: Soros funded Black Lives Matter and other radical left wing groups, some associated with Antifa. I suspect he thinks he is saving western civilisation as opposed to destroying it, but most people would disagree with his politics and the antisemites take it as proof that he is intentionally trying to destroy the west. The kind of currency speculation he is involved in thrives on chaotic circumstances, too. Broadly speaking, people with that kind of money, that career path and strong political leanings are bound to cause suspicion.
That sounds like a talking point right off one of the more dubious conservative websites. Funding BLM "and other radical leftwing groups". What other groups? And if any of them are antifa, then why is BLM being lumped in with them? Funding BLM seems like a pretty good cause. If I was a billionaire, it's one of the NGOs I'd probably think of funding as well.
BLM is an important group considering a police officer was just acquitted for shooting an unarmed black man because he turned around, rather than lay down. The video of the event couldn’t be clearer that she shot him because she freaked out. But this is the US and police are not held responsible for their actions.
Soros funds "normal" liberals too. He's not some marxist supervillain with hidden agenda, but nobody likes it when foreign magnates interfere in their internal politics (unless they support your prefered party, then it's totally fine /s).
American politics is so off the rails that these are the good guys. Their actions and beliefs undermine any possibility of this being the case, but they are minorities - and that's what really matters in the realm of identity politics. It is, of course, right wing websites that point to Soros funding left wing groups. That's a cause for scepticism, yes, but the mainstream media refuse to report anything about what Antifa are doing because that means admitting that political violence is coming from the left.
It is easy to find the stupidest person who supports something, and claim that they are representatitve of the whole thing.
Should i now look for the stupidest brexiter that i can find, and from that conclude that everyone who supports brexit is stupid?
Also, anything with a Fox News Logo on it should be an instant no go in any intelligent discussion. I don't think there has been a single case so far where they didn't misrepresent and distort the truth.
If you use cherry picked youtube videos to justify your view of US politics and civil conflicts, do not expect to be taken seriously. Or Fox News, who is currently reporting on a debunked murder story and told by Canada to stop reporting on a fake Mosque attack. The issues around Berkley receive adequate coverage, but we are big country and there is a lot going on here. Just because you don’t see it in the UK does not mean it isn’t being reported on.
American politics is so off the rails that these are the good guys. Their actions and beliefs undermine any possibility of this being the case, but they are minorities - and that's what really matters in the realm of identity politics. It is, of course, right wing websites that point to Soros funding left wing groups. That's a cause for scepticism, yes, but the mainstream media refuse to report anything about what Antifa are doing because that means admitting that political violence is coming from the left.
So you found like, what... a few dozens of people? who call for dead cops—and this is supposed to be representative of the entire movement? Like, does the organization advocate for cop murdering, retaliation and vigilante “justice”? Did they organize ambushes or attacks where they tried to kill cops? This also ignores the fact that cops don't need to call for dead black people; they can simply press the trigger, then benefit from impunity. What's the ratio of cops killing black people and BLM activists killing cops by the way? Any figure?
On May 19 2017 23:25 Simberto wrote: It is easy to find the stupidest person who supports something, and claim that they are representatitve of the whole thing.
Should i now look for the stupidest brexiter that i can find, and from that conclude that everyone who supports brexit is stupid?
Also, anything with a Fox News Logo on it should be an instant no go in any intelligent discussion. I don't think there has been a single case so far where they didn't misrepresent and distort the truth.
They are crowds of people, not individuals. And your attitude towards Fox is pitiable. I do not like their political stance, but this is an undoctored video clip they just so happen to be showing. They are probably the only network in the US that will show it. It is an absolute necessity to get your news from multiple sources because there is no unbiased source. There's nothing even close to being unbiased. The left wing networks in the US are just as bad as Fox.
As for police killing black people: they kill white people too, including innocent and compliant white people. More whites than blacks, actually. You will never hear about that, though. Yes, the number of black people shot relative to the proportion of the population they make up is higher, but that correlates with crime in the communities and areas where these people tend to be. If you have a country where every nutter has a gun, the police are going to be twitchy and more aggressive. The second someone is not compliant you have to be ready to shoot, because they can turn and kill you in a second. That is the price you inevitably pay for your liberal gun laws. They also need better training. None of this has anything to do with race. There is no force more corrupting for modern society than identity politics.
The closest thing left wing networks in the US is MSNBC and they don’t report on conspiracy theories and were not run by a CEO who sexually assaulted larger numbers of women. Nor are they under Federal investigation for using cooperate funds to hire PIs to intimidate reporters from other outlets. Your attempt to claim that left wing media in the US is “just as bad, so all wrong doing it fine” is pathetic and uninformed.
To be fair to bardtown there are worrying aspects to BLM that should be reported, but in this case you can hardly infer that the video shown is representative.
On May 19 2017 23:37 Plansix wrote: The closest thing left wing networks in the US is MSNBC and they don’t report on conspiracy theories and were not run by a CEO who sexually assaulted larger numbers of women. Nor are they under Federal investigation for using cooperate funds to hire PIs to intimidate reporters from other outlets. Your attempt to claim that left wing media in the US is “just as bad, so all wrong doing it fine” is pathetic and uninformed.
Funny, that's what right leaning Americans tell me when I tell them that Fox is just as bad as MSNBC. Each side thinks they have a monopoly on rationality.
On May 19 2017 23:25 Simberto wrote: It is easy to find the stupidest person who supports something, and claim that they are representatitve of the whole thing.
Should i now look for the stupidest brexiter that i can find, and from that conclude that everyone who supports brexit is stupid?
Also, anything with a Fox News Logo on it should be an instant no go in any intelligent discussion. I don't think there has been a single case so far where they didn't misrepresent and distort the truth.
They are crowds of people, not individuals. And your attitude towards Fox is pitiable. I do not like their political stance, but this is an undoctored video clip they just so happen to be showing. They are probably the only network in the US that will show it. It is an absolute necessity to get your news from multiple sources because there is no unbiased source. There's nothing even close to being unbiased. The left wing networks in the US are just as bad as Fox.
As for police killing black people: they kill white people too, including innocent and compliant white people. More whites than blacks, actually. You will never hear about that, though. Yes, the number of black people shot relative to the proportion of the population they make up is higher, but that correlates with crime in the communities and areas where these people tend to be. If you have a country where every nutter has a gun, the police are going to be twitchy and more aggressive. That is the price you inevitably pay for your liberal gun laws. They also need better training. None of this has anything to do with race. There is no force more corrupting for modern society than identity politics.
Really? Then why can we observe similar things all around the world, where cop violence is particularly intense towards the groups which endure racism? Gun laws are much stricter in France and “only” 10-15 people die to cops every year, yet most of them are young people of color. Many of them, who live in suburbs, face pointless harassment, insults (including racial slurs, but it has nothing to do with race right?), humiliating body searches, etc. while their white friends don't—must be a coincidence... Oddly enough, this mysterious over-aggressivity from cops happens to disproportionately fall on non-white people. We also happen to live in a racist society where people of color are discriminated when it comes to school, jobs, housing, etc. but this racism would miraculously disappear in cop activity? An ideology whose very role is to justify the dehumanisation of certain groups so that they can be treated rougher would result in no more violence?
There's nothing worrying or relevant about blm. They're a protest group that react to events. They are not a moment and they'll continue to simply express black anger. Sometimes they'll riot and block traffic and make themselves look bad sometimes they'll force local pds to get a body cam program.
On May 19 2017 23:37 Plansix wrote: The closest thing left wing networks in the US is MSNBC and they don’t report on conspiracy theories and were not run by a CEO who sexually assaulted larger numbers of women. Nor are they under Federal investigation for using cooperate funds to hire PIs to intimidate reporters from other outlets. Your attempt to claim that left wing media in the US is “just as bad, so all wrong doing it fine” is pathetic and uninformed.
Funny, that's what right leaning Americans tell me when I tell them that Fox is just as bad as MSNBC. Each side thinks they have a monopoly on rationality.
If you hear conflicting viewpoints, maybe you should do your own reading on the subject and make up your own mind. I am no fan of MSNBC and have never watched, dispute being very left leaning. But any comparison to Fox News falls flat. The man who founded Fox News work on the Nixon election, that is how far back it goes.
On May 19 2017 23:46 Dangermousecatdog wrote: To be fair to bardtown there are worrying aspects to BLM that should be reported, but in this case you can hardly infer that the video shown is representative.
Thats blm in a nutshell. Here in Canada, they were calling Trudeau a white supremacist.
On May 19 2017 23:25 Simberto wrote: It is easy to find the stupidest person who supports something, and claim that they are representatitve of the whole thing.
Should i now look for the stupidest brexiter that i can find, and from that conclude that everyone who supports brexit is stupid?
Also, anything with a Fox News Logo on it should be an instant no go in any intelligent discussion. I don't think there has been a single case so far where they didn't misrepresent and distort the truth.
They are crowds of people, not individuals. And your attitude towards Fox is pitiable. I do not like their political stance, but this is an undoctored video clip they just so happen to be showing. They are probably the only network in the US that will show it. It is an absolute necessity to get your news from multiple sources because there is no unbiased source. There's nothing even close to being unbiased. The left wing networks in the US are just as bad as Fox.
As for police killing black people: they kill white people too, including innocent and compliant white people. More whites than blacks, actually. You will never hear about that, though. Yes, the number of black people shot relative to the proportion of the population they make up is higher, but that correlates with crime in the communities and areas where these people tend to be. If you have a country where every nutter has a gun, the police are going to be twitchy and more aggressive. That is the price you inevitably pay for your liberal gun laws. They also need better training. None of this has anything to do with race. There is no force more corrupting for modern society than identity politics.
Really? Then why can we observe similar things all around the world, where cop violence is particularly intense towards the groups which endure racism? Gun laws are much stricter in France and “only” 10-15 people die to cops every year, yet most of them are young people of color. Many of them, who live in suburbs, face pointless harassment, insults (including racial slurs, but it has nothing to do with race right?), humiliating body searches, etc. while their white friends don't—must be a coincidence... Oddly enough, this mysterious over-aggressivity from cops happens to disproportionately fall on non-white people. We also happen to live in a racist society where people of color are discriminated when it comes to school, jobs, housing, etc. but this racism would miraculously disappear in cop activity? An ideology whose very role is to justify the dehumanisation of certain groups so that they can be treated rougher would result in no more violence?
Tell me, are those the suburbs that tourists are strongly advised to avoid? And please don't give me that 'people of colour' nonsense. They don't tell people to steer clear of Chinatown, do they? This is about the failure of people from certain cultures to integrate, not about a dislike of non-whites.
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