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xM(Z
Romania5281 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HoUY2Cp.jpg) Approval rating of newly elected presidents and their Prime minister. Despite successful first steps, favourable media coverage and a government which decently fits his own goals and criterias, Macron starts below 50% and his Prime minister barely has more than a third. Macron's approval rating per age: 18-24: 33% 25-34: 38% 35-49: 44% 50-64: 44% 65+: 56% Benefits a lot from the fact that this generation of old people is legitimist (particularly Fillon's electorate). The laughable storytelling about Macron being youth-renewal-modernity-dynamism-etc. faces hard reality. Approval rating per social class: CSP+: 49% (senior executive: 56%) CSP-: 33% (employees 30%, workers 37%) Retirees: 59% Naturally, the higher you are in the social pyramid, the more you trust Macron. People are aware of their wallets. Approval rating per vote in the first round: Mélenchon: 33% Hamon: 56% Macron: 92% Fillon: 49% Le Pen: 23% No-vote: 32% Wow! We finally got a no-vote category in polls. As for the Prime minister: Trust: 36% Don't trust: 43% No opinion: 21% (45/46/9 for Macron). High number of “no opinion” because he wasn't known at national level. Same sensibility to age/social class/political proximity. Since he's identified as a right-winger, while Macron is still hidden behind his neither-left-nor-right-just-what-works posture, he gets lower ratings from the left: Approval rating per vote in the first round: Mélenchon: 20% Hamon: 39% Macron: 73% Fillon: 45% Le Pen: 18% No-vote: 25% | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
George Soros: € 2.365.910,16. David Rothschild: € 976.126,87. Goldman-Sachs: € 2.145.100. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On May 19 2017 00:54 SoSexy wrote: I did not look at the source in question but an italian philosopher engaged in public debates said that, thanks to wikileaks, he was able to discover that Macron received financing for his campaign by: George Soros: € 2.365.910,16. David Rothschild: € 976.126,87. Goldman-Sachs: € 2.145.100. Companies or fundations cannot donate and individual donations are capped to 7.5k€, so yeah... no. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On May 19 2017 00:54 SoSexy wrote: I did not look at the source in question but an italian philosopher engaged in public debates said that, thanks to wikileaks, he was able to discover that Macron received financing for his campaign by: George Soros: € 2.365.910,16. David Rothschild: € 976.126,87. Goldman-Sachs: € 2.145.100. ignoring thedwf's comment, what does he think this means? | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
In 2012 she had narrowly failed to get elected in her district. In the first round she had arrived first with 42.26%, ahead of the PS guy (23.72%) and Mélenchon (21.46%). She was 119 votes short of winning in the second round, losing with 26 696 vs 26 814 (49.9:50.1). In the first round of the presidential 2017 she got 40.05% in her district, ahead of Mélenchon with 22.5%, then Macron with 14.15%. Given the abstention it seems unlikely that the EM candidate reaches the second round, so there should be a duel between Le Pen and the FI candidate. Hopefully she gets crushed again. Edit—oh, apparently she recognized that she had failed the debate. Edit 2—for the folklore, Le Pen will have to face the dissidence of another far-right candidate... supported by her father! | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On May 19 2017 01:27 Nyxisto wrote: anti-semitic crap, and I think those numbers are probably just bs too because I can't find anything about Soros donating to Macron, forgot some of those ((())) SoSexy As I said, I just quoted him. I had a busy day and couldn't find time to research extensively. Donation cap is 7,500 for single person but I believe not capped for organizations? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 19 2017 06:01 SoSexy wrote: As I said, I just quoted him. I had a busy day and couldn't find time to research extensively. Donation cap is 7,500 for single person but I believe not capped for organizations? Maybe go find some documentation so people can look at it for themselves? | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On May 19 2017 06:01 SoSexy wrote: As I said, I just quoted him. I had a busy day and couldn't find time to research extensively. Donation cap is 7,500 for single person but I believe not capped for organizations? Already answered 4 posts above yours. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On May 19 2017 16:50 opisska wrote: I still don't get what people have against Soros besides just plain dumb antisemitism. Thr guy seems to be a genuinely positive contributor to the whole continent. If he's secretly behind some governmen, it's probably for the better. I have nothing against him and I like Popper's open society ideology. I have a problem with single people holding and using that kind of power though. In my view Soros' efforts simply contradict his goals and are somewhat contraproductive. I am not sure though how correct of a picture I have of his activities and their scale, media isn't very trustworthy when talking about these types of politically active oligarchs. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On May 19 2017 17:32 Big J wrote: I have nothing against him and I like Popper's open society ideology. I have a problem with single people holding and using that kind of power though. In my view Soros' efforts simply contradict his goals and are somewhat contraproductive. I am not sure though how correct of a picture I have of his activities and their scale, media isn't very trustworthy when talking about these types of politically active oligarchs. The "free market" system has a tendency to focus money and thus power with a few individuals, hence the oligarchy prevalent across different subcultures of moreorless free world. As long as people aren't willing to do much about it, I am willing to be happy when at least the oligarcs turn out to produce a good one. | ||
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pmh
1352 Posts
I did not expect this would happen but this is encouraging. It should have consequences for lagarde,s position as well though that probably wont happen. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5603 Posts
On May 19 2017 16:50 opisska wrote: I still don't get what people have against Soros besides just plain dumb antisemitism. Thr guy seems to be a genuinely positive contributor to the whole continent. If he's secretly behind some governmen, it's probably for the better. What about his speculative currency attacks? | ||
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
They state Soros only help causes like Feminism because it weakens western society. They use as example FEMEN, a radical feminism group that Soros funded until the moment FEMEN announced Israel branch. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On May 19 2017 18:58 pmh wrote: https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2017/05/18/business/18reuters-france-tapie.html?_r=0 I did not expect this would happen but this is encouraging. It should have consequences for lagarde,s position as well though that probably wont happen. Unfortunately no. Lagarde was already convicted of “negligence” by a special court (courtesy of the Republican monarchy), but she was... exempted of sanction! Naturally, she was protected because condemning the head of the IMF would be too controversial; the judgment explicitly talked about her international stature, etc. In practice, if I remember well, she had obeyed to Sarkozy, who wanted to make his friend Tapie a favor; but still, it was her responsibility. Anyway, always fun to see that a 404 millions ““blunder”” results in no real sanction, while hungry homeless can get 2-3 months of jail for stealing 5 euros of food in supermarkets. Apparently they call that “justice”. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
It's obviously not easy to judge the motives of a rich and powerful person, because such people are able to distort their public perception to a large extent. But from what I can see, Soros has donated insane amounts of money to poor people from US through Europe to Africa, he funded revolutionary movements across Eastern Europe and the former USSR and he still keeps in his activities against Russian interests, as well as against the US Republicans. He is a vocal proponent of deeper EU integration, he advocates accepting refugees and he is even critical of Israel despite being Jewish himself. So yeah, pardon me when "Soros is behind X" doesn't really sound very bad for whatever X happens to be. | ||
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