EPTPeople that often criticize Islam are fond of Sikhs from my experience. That said, the average person probably doesn't know the difference between the two.
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
People that often criticize Islam are fond of Sikhs from my experience. That said, the average person probably doesn't know the difference between the two. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On May 17 2017 00:12 Acrofales wrote: The Italian constitution prohibits the carrying of knives in public? You have a weird constitution. That is not what the Italian constitution is saying, nor is it what SoSexy is saying. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
Same for traditions like the knife wearing Sikhs, as long as there's no actual public threat I think it's fair to grant them the right to carry their knifes around. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
There is an easy solution to this case though: recognize how bullshit the law is and allow everyone to have knives. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
We should treat them like we treat everyone else. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On May 17 2017 02:28 Reaps wrote: Giving minorities special treatment for whatever reason apart from maybe political participation is absurd and should never be the norm in a democracy and denies what our ideal goals should be for immigrants and other minorities, equality. We should treat them like we treat everyone else. The problem with applying this approach blindly is simply that the ways we treat ourselves may be totally ignorant to the needs of the minorities. A lot of rules we have set up we have designed by our own cultural standards and often they aren't even really needed (or not anymore) but because they align with our traditions, nobody cares, until an immigrant comes and crashes with the rules. I definitely think we shouldn't make exceptions from law for someone, but we can definitely reconsider our law when it turns out that it is inconvenient to people that are now living with us. Getting rid of excess law is always a good thing anyway. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
That's also true for older 'domestic culture' btw, many smaller communities have trouble keeping their cultural life intact so there some help might be in order too. No need to imply that a 'special treatment' means that anybody is losing out. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On May 17 2017 01:02 Velr wrote: What exemptions are you talking about and why are you expressing sympathy for Sikhs in this circumstance?And these exceptions are generally seen as absolute bullshit and probably will fall in the next few years... oh wait, no referendums/initiatives and not much to gain for politicians in most countries... Well... Sry Sikhs. On May 17 2017 01:13 Velr wrote: I don't see what relevance headgear has to the court of law unless knifes are commonly carried in headgear. But according to you, due to their low numbers, this is a totally important ruling the likes that SoSexy has never seen before.They also hold records in Turban usage.... Im not from Italy but well, neighboring country. No, there aren't. Its like you NEVER see any if you don't live next to one of the <500 sikh families in the country. On May 17 2017 01:37 Ghostcom wrote: So...what exactly is he saying? Do you care to interpret for him? The only thing I can work out is that SoSexy views Italian courts to be so inefficient that an arbitration court passing a ruling is something to be celebrated.That is not what the Italian constitution is saying, nor is it what SoSexy is saying. My position is that the rule of law is more important than any religion. What I don't understand is why SoSexy believes that Italian laws in this regard are more rational than UK law, where people can carry knifes in public, nor why he beleives that carrying knifes would destroy the constitutional rights of Italians, nor his own confusion over the name of his own country. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On May 17 2017 06:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote: So...what exactly is he saying? Do you care to interpret for him? The only thing I can work out is that SoSexy views Italian courts to be so inefficient that an arbitration court passing a ruling is something to be celebrated. My position is that the rule of law is more important than any religion. What I don't understand is why SoSexy believes that Italian laws in this regard are more rational than UK law, where people can carry knifes in public, nor why he beleives that carrying knifes would destroy the constitutional rights of Italians, nor his own confusion over the name of his own country. Acrofales failed to read SoSexy's post properly and thus understood it as knives being against the Italian constitution. What SoSexy meant was that having different laws for different people was unconstitutional. Whether that is right or not I do not know. Everything else is, at best, you misreading what SoSexy actually wrote (considering your mishap with "knifes" this seems the most plausible) or you strawmanning him. In either case I think it is quite clear why he doesn't bother responding to you and frankly, I'm done too considering your tone. P.S.:"knifes" is the act of stabbing someone with a knife. "knives" is the plural of knife. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Will see what happens. Of course regardless of what Macron does, there will be a noisy minority rioting in the streets. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18383 Posts
On May 17 2017 01:37 Ghostcom wrote: That is not what the Italian constitution is saying, nor is it what SoSexy is saying. Golly. Really? Nice of you to address the one sentence in my post that was tongue in cheek. If you had read past that, you would have seen my more serious opinion of the whole issue. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On May 17 2017 15:49 Acrofales wrote: Golly. Really? Nice of you to address the one sentence in my post that was tongue in cheek. If you had read past that, you would have seen my more serious opinion of the whole issue. Considering the other responses SoSexy got it seemed prudent to point out the obvious. I did read your entire post. I agreed with the rest of it (and it was largely in agreement with what SoSexy had stated which made it seem more convincing you had misread his argument for why he thought this ruling was protecting the Italian constitution). Hence I didn't respond to that part. Forgive me for not getting your comment being tongue in cheek - the amount of contextual clues on a text forum sure should've made that crystal clear to me + Show Spoiler + /s | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Video of Erdogans guards beating up protesters in washington https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/864631567972540417 | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On May 17 2017 00:16 Simberto wrote: Wait, all knives are illegal in italy? What about swiss pocket knives? Kitchen knives to cut an apple with? Carving knives for carving stuff when bored? What about if the knives are not sharp? What about scissors? It is kind of relevant what exactly is and is not illegal in this case. From wikipedia, the smallest kirpans are about 3 inches long, which is basically the same as a swiss pocket knive. Yeah this is really the strange part of this to me. I pretty much always carry a knife on me when I'm not going some place they're explicitly forbidden. I get regulations on blade length to keep folks from toting swords around, but knives are less dangerous than lots of crap people carry around on a regular basis including half of a normal toolbox. On May 17 2017 07:51 LegalLord wrote: They've always been mostly forgettable besides a few occasional exceptions. I don't pay much attention to Eurovision anymore. I got a good chuckle. | ||
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warding
Portugal2396 Posts
On May 17 2017 07:41 Shield wrote: Anyone listened to some of the Eurovision songs? The more I hear from Eurovision, the more useless I think it is. How is Portugal's song better than Bulgaria's song, UK's song, etc? I did. Since we always lose we usually never pay any attention since it always looks like a parade of gimmicky eurotrash. This year we did pay attention as we were one of the favorites. I'm obviously biased, but the Portuguese song had everything a Eurovision song should have: it represented the culture of the country - there's a lot of sentimentalism/nostalgia in our country; it was a beautiful melody and lyrics; and it was sung in our language. On its own, this song is one of the most beautiful songs I've heard in a long time. I cried the first times I listened to it, and many many Portuguese people did - maybe because we're all sentimental babies, but still. Good song. I really enjoyed the Hungarian, Belgian, French and Italian songs. The Bulgarian performer is talented but the song didn't carry with it the same depth the others did. Eurovision should be a showcase of actual good songs that represent the diversity of cultures present in the continent. It has been filled with shallow pop, sung in english, reliant on gimmicks and flashy live shows with fireworks. Hopefully this marks a change to that. | ||
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