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On May 16 2017 15:04 RvB wrote:
Most likely VVD, CDA and D66 will start negotiating with the Christian Union (cu) for a coalition. They'd have a one seat majority in both chambers. If that fails I'm not sure everything you mentioned except Wilders is on the table.
I heard on the news that negotiations failed about immigration.
They were talking with the green party right? I imagine the 3 others wanted stricter immigration/keep things as they are and the green party wanted a more open borders stance? Or what happened?
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GroenLinks yes. CDA and VVD want to be stricter on immigration while D66 and GL want to be less strict. I'm pretty sure it's due to more than immigration though since GL is pretty far apart on a lot of issues like economics, environment etc. This is just the first big issue they encountered and it blew up.
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An odd case. In the UK, Sikhs are well integrated and though it is perfectly legal for them to carry their knives in public, many I've met chose to carry a smaller symbolic knife. In any case, the title does not match the context, but hey, anything for your narrative am I right?
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There is something very telling about a poster like SoSexy trumpeting a decision that only impacts Sikhs. It becomes much easier to oppose people who look different if you lump them all into the "migrant" category, after all 
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What the hell are you talking about? The decision is clear. "An attachment to one's own values, even if they are lawful in the country of origin, is intolerable when it causes violating the laws of the host country". Therefore, carrying a knife is forbidden. Cassation decisions apply in general, therefore this is not targeting Sikhs specifically. You can't do stuff that is against the law of the country you live in. How strange, right? Truly a fantastic, far-right concept... Your rhetoric is disgusting, as always.
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That post is farvacola's entrance for the "thread's biggest strawman" competition.
Good move by Italy.
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Yes, yes, what a straw man.
Thank God you stopped those dangerous Sikhs!
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The law is clear: you cannot carry a knife in public. If the Cassation allows certain people to do so, then the law would not apply equally to all citizens, as written in the Constitution. Who gives a fuck about the rights of milion of italians, right? The Sikhs will get offended! Too bad this country is still called ITALY.
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Well then Italians throughout can rest easy that their nation is no longer under attack by the cultural deviations of Sikhs looking to continue their ornamental celebration of having been attacked by pretty much every majority they've lived under since inception. Viva Italia, you are safe!
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The italians can rest easy because the Cassation defended the Constitution of this country. That's all.
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Like I said, your entire post is an oddity. You call it a grain of rationality to interpret the law, implying that previously in Italy, the courts had chosen not to interpret or clarify laws, or had chosen not to uphold their own laws in specific cases to immigration. You entire post is just weird. I don't really see why you note it as noteworthy that the law is interpreted and clarified. Perhaps you can tell us why?
BTW in UK, it is perfectly legal of Sikhs to carry their knifes in public, even in schools and in courts. Would you say that UK law does not have a grain of rationality?
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Question: Do politicians have the right to still blame the "crisis" every time there is something they don't want to give money to? It sounds more like a lame excuse to me at this point.
I live in Spain btw.
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On May 16 2017 04:30 bardtown wrote:
Please give me an example of an attempted libertarian utopia...
Considering how great political utopias based on rigid dogma disconnected from any reality have worked during the XXth century, I would say that I'm in no hurry to see Ayn Rand's bullshit to be put in practice.
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On May 16 2017 20:59 SoSexy wrote:
The italians can rest easy because the Cassation defended the Constitution of this country. That's all.
The Italian constitution prohibits the carrying of knives in public? You have a weird constitution.
That said, I don't see anything remarkable about the ruling. It's forbidden to carry knives in the street. The main question was whether the kirpan is primarily a knife or primarily a religious object. The court ruled it's a knife, and is thus subject to the same rules as other knives. Seems completely normal and mundane to me.
And in the UK, courts ruled that kirpans are religious objects and not weapons, and thus came down on the side of being allowed to carry them in public. Seems completely normal and mundane to me as well.
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On May 16 2017 20:49 SoSexy wrote:
The law is clear: you cannot carry a knife in public. If the Cassation allows certain people to do so, then the law would not apply equally to all citizens, as written in the Constitution. Who gives a fuck about the rights of milion of italians, right? The Sikhs will get offended! Too bad this country is still called ITALY.
Wait, all knives are illegal in italy? What about swiss pocket knives? Kitchen knives to cut an apple with? Carving knives for carving stuff when bored? What about if the knives are not sharp? What about scissors?
It is kind of relevant what exactly is and is not illegal in this case. From wikipedia, the smallest kirpans are about 3 inches long, which is basically the same as a swiss pocket knive.
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Well I did say in response to a completely different discussion that religious freedom shouldn't be allowed to operate without respect for the laws of the host nation. Should go without saying that I think the courts in Italy made the right decision here.
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There are a lot of exceptions for official religions. Like the minimum wage not being applicable and other minor inconveniences.
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And these exceptions are generally seen as absolute bullshit and probably will fall in the next few years... oh wait, no referendums/initiatives and not much to gain for politicians in most countries...
Well... Sry Sikhs.
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Sikhs hold the lead in people often mistaken as Muslims and painted with a broad brush.
Is there a lot of Sikh knife crime in Italy?
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They also hold records in Turban usage....
Im not from Italy but well, neighboring country. No, there aren't. Its like you NEVER see any if you don't live next to one of the <500 sikh families in the country.
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