EPTOn May 08 2017 03:42 Makro wrote:
round 2 incoming in 2022 with a higher score for the far right
round 2 incoming in 2022 with a higher score for the far right
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
If the projections are correct, though, Marine doubles her father in runoff percentage. A nice boost, perhaps someone less hated with a similar anti-EU sentiment will be able to take it all the way to a win. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On May 08 2017 03:45 LegalLord wrote: "The political renewal Macron represents" that's a funny joke. Yeah lol, he's literally surrounded by all the political wastes from the last 3 decades, and some of his ideas are simply a return to the social model of the XIXth century, but whatever, marketing and a fresh face take it all. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On May 08 2017 03:42 Nyxisto wrote: Well what can you do, we've been steadily moving from autonomy and self-subsistence towards more closely knit, urban societies. In that context buying a house, especially in today's economic situation where whole regions can decay over a few years can mean that you're sitting on a huge amount of debt and dead weight. Especially when you're older being close to public services, living in some communal way or whatever might be better than sitting around alone in a giant house. Germany is kind of peculiar in a way because our vocational system and decentralisation has prevented this to a degree, but in countries like the UK or France and much of the US small towns and that kind of organisation doesn't really work any more. Having high population density is too important nowadays. The ultimate result is that despite nominal increases in wealth, quality of life takes a nice, solid drop. No wonder people are displeased as a rather small sliver of folk are saying "it's all good guys why are you complaining?" | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_PplLyXsAEdd6f.jpg) Do you want Macron to have an absolute majority in the next legislative elections? Yes, quite (15%) Yes, rather (24%) Rather not (31%) Not at all (30%) | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On May 08 2017 03:04 TheDwf wrote: Brillant display of power from the ruling class, they managed to sell a marketing product and materialize a pure bubble in a matter of months; from noname to youngest president of the fifth world power in less than 3 years, well done, well done Shall we talk about the way Mélenchon went from 8% to near-second round contender (and, possibly, President) in a matter of weeks, thanks to well-crafted marketing propagated through non-traditional medias ? | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On May 08 2017 03:53 OtherWorld wrote: Shall we talk about the way Mélenchon went from 8% to near-second round contender (and, possibly, President) in a matter of weeks, thanks to well-crafted marketing propagated through non-traditional medias ? you mean, the memes ? i think the CM of mélenchon twitter will realize that spamming some naruto reference isn't really efficient :> | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On May 08 2017 03:53 OtherWorld wrote: Shall we talk about the way Mélenchon went from 8% to near-second round contender (and, possibly, President) in a matter of weeks, thanks to well-crafted marketing propagated through non-traditional medias ? Please... Youtube is nothing next to traditional medias (proof being that it was the first TV debate that made him start his remontada), and he was bashed non-stop in those as soon as he threatened to reach the second round (before that they could be positive/laudatory because he was below 15%). You cannot possibly compare the media handling of Macron and Mélenchon. Edit: in fact he was forced to use those alternative medias precisely because mainstream ones are often hostile to radical left politicians, and ask you dumb questions, or compare him 24/7 to the Front National, etc. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On May 08 2017 03:51 TheDwf wrote: Do you want Macron to have an absolute majority in the next legislative elections? Yes, quite (15%) Yes, rather (24%) Rather not (31%) Not at all (30%) Well lets see but 39% in a 1 vote majority system is a landslide victory (I don't really see it happening myself). | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On May 08 2017 03:48 TheDwf wrote: Yeah lol, he's literally surrounded by all the political wastes from the last 3 decades, and some of his ideas are simply a return to the social model of the XIXth century, but whatever, marketing and a fresh face take it all. better than having a fucking commie in power | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On May 08 2017 04:00 Nakajin wrote: Well lets see but 39% in a 1 vote majority system is a landslide victory (I don't really see it happening myself). It's just a poll about a hypothetical will (not vote intentions), the campaign did not start yet, so we'll see indeed. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On May 08 2017 04:14 SoSexy wrote: TheDwf, can you stop insulting Le Pen? I know you don't like her but I have never seen so many insults go without a warning in this forum... do you need this? What insults? | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On May 08 2017 03:58 TheDwf wrote: Please... Youtube is nothing next to traditional medias (proof being that it was the first TV debate which made him start his remontada), and he was bashed non-stop in those as soon as he threatened to reach the second round (before that they could be positive/laudatory because he was below 15%). You cannot possibly compare the media handling of Macron and Mélenchon. Videos of his punchlines in the debates, circulating on social medias, are part of non-traditional medias, though. And even though some mainstream medias bashed him (mainly right-wing, though), they also gave him exposure, talked about his social media handling, about how thought-out his program was, etc. Macron got a lot of exposure from mainstream medias, more than Mélenchon, though overestimating the impact of a handful of Paris-Match or L'Obs covers is just like overestimating the impact of Mélenchon's YT channel or his FB militias. Of course Macron is mostly a well-crafted politician, though I have no doubt that future will show that he's a real master politician, in the best and worst meanings of the word. But acting like he's more of a marketing product than other candidates would have been anyway, or that other candidates would have had much more partisan support, or that Macron is a literal conspiracy from the Establishment (as if there was a single, unified establishment) is a bit too simplistic in my opinion. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
just the latest example, on page 839: 'go back to your cave you useless vulture' | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
Also said that he will lead the legislative battle. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 08 2017 04:14 SoSexy wrote: TheDwf, can you stop insulting Le Pen? I know you don't like her but I have never seen so many insults go without a warning in this forum... do you need this? Reading your comments is like reading a mirrored version of the_donald Uhh we need people to sound like the_donald's twin brother to remind people the other side isn't any more sane than Le Pen ... just insane in different ways. If they hid their true colors and moderated now, the opposition wouldn't know how much they're hated. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On May 08 2017 04:14 SoSexy wrote: TheDwf, can you stop insulting Le Pen? I know you don't like her but I have never seen so many insults go without a warning in this forum... do you need this? Reading your comments is like reading a mirrored version of the_donald I think it's perfectly okay to insult modern nationalists. If not fascist, they're too extreme. Moderate nationalist is another story, but I have yet to see this in the 21st century. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12216 Posts
On May 08 2017 04:34 Danglars wrote: Uhh we need people to sound like the_donald's twin brother to remind people the other side isn't any more sane than Le Pen ... just insane in different ways. If they hid their true colors and moderated now, the opposition wouldn't know how much they're hated. Also aren't you superoffended that SoSexy is asking TheDwf to police his speech? | ||
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