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Liquid`Drone
Norway28665 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On April 11 2017 00:57 LegalLord wrote: Sanders falls pretty squarely into what would be called a social democrat in Europeland. I will, however, say that anyone who supports UHC and free college for all, and other staples in Europe - government funding for family planning, not shilling for religion every second, not stroking the cock of corporations and the military-industrial complex in the most absurd ways - would fall left of center in the US. Which, incidentally, seems to be the European right. Nah, AfD, Ukip etc.. basically want to abolish social welfare, they mix nationalist capitalism with their ethno-centric positions. And in many other countries it's merely a lip service, they're not anti-corporate in any meaningful sense. | ||
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Unentschieden
Germany1471 Posts
There is a clear argument that there can be too many political parties however that number propably isn´t 3. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10700 Posts
If not for TL and a few other sides i couldn't believe such positions even exist in first world countries today. Even the atheist movements the US has don't really exist here, religion is seen as something private, not a reason for anything and trying to play the religion card is really dangerous. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On April 11 2017 01:44 Nyxisto wrote: Nah, AfD, Ukip etc.. basically want to abolish social welfare, they mix nationalist capitalism with their ethno-centric positions. And in many other countries it's merely a lip service, they're not anti-corporate in any meaningful sense. That's what's called the "far right" in Europeland, which corresponds quite well to our regular right. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13925 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10700 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9193 Posts
It's hard to imagine because UKIP is a single-issue eurosceptic party, hard to translate that into American politics. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1452 Posts
On April 11 2017 01:44 Nyxisto wrote: Nah, AfD, Ukip etc.. basically want to abolish social welfare, they mix nationalist capitalism with their ethno-centric positions. And in many other countries it's merely a lip service, they're not anti-corporate in any meaningful sense. The far-right parties (which are now usually called "populist" for the following reason) are heterogeneous on economic issues. Most of them aren't hyper-capitalists, they mix-and-match whatever is hip in their countries. On April 11 2017 02:23 Sermokala wrote: Can you imagine what an American UKIP would be? Essentially that's what the alt-right is. On April 11 2017 00:53 Incognoto wrote: Reduction of working time always makes me laugh. France is at 35 hours a week. I'm doing 40, waking up at 4:30 AM every day and it's easy. I still have so much free time. Reducing working time also increases employment. It essentially is a wage cap on people who are statistically over-productive. Instead of paying Hardworker Fred to work 40 hrs+10 overtime because he makes me more money, I have to pay Mediocreworkers Betsy and Jerome to each work 25 hours. It spreads out the wealth among the middle class. On April 11 2017 02:39 Sent. wrote: It's hard to imagine because UKIP is a single-issue eurosceptic party, hard to translate that into American politics. Sounds like the Tea Party and their wall along the Mexican border to me. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 11 2017 01:48 Unentschieden wrote: Political position isn´t a line like "right/left" might suggest. Far more relevant imho is the question if Sanders should be able to start his own party. There is a clear argument that there can be too many political parties however that number propably isn´t 3. What argument would that be? | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On April 11 2017 02:40 LightSpectra wrote: The far-right parties (which are now usually called "populist" for the following reason) are heterogeneous on economic issues. Most of them aren't hyper-capitalists, they mix-and-match whatever is hip in their countries. I don't buy it. In the French debates Le Pen (who most people would put into the populist econ camp) also started to rant about 'red tape' wanted to exempt overtime from taxation and so on. There's a lot of lip service against 'global capital' and whatnot but that does not make a social candidate. This really is an age old story of European right-wing politics. They don't want genuine social progress, they want to unify business and the lower classes under some 'culture war' banner while keeping the hierarchies intact. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 11 2017 02:51 Nyxisto wrote: I don't buy it. In the French debates Le Pen (who most people would put into the populist econ camp) also started to rant about 'red tape' wanted to exempt overtime from taxation and so on. There's a lot of lip service against 'global capital' and whatnot but that does not make a social candidate. This really is an age old story of European right-wing politics. They don't want genuine social progress, they want to unify business and the lower classes under some 'culture war' banner while keeping the hierarchies intact. I honestly believe they are simply idiots when it comes to economy. They just don't care, they want to dictate their pure population ideology, they want law and order politics and anything more complicated than that is too much for them. So what they do is they go to liberterian institutes, which tell them that all they need to do is reduce taxes and regulations. Which is the perfect fit, as this economical ideology combines perfectly with not having a functional brain, all they have to do at this point is throw around vague principles like "Laffer Curve" or find an example of a business that would be doing so much better, if only those regulations wouldn't prevent them from pouring poison into our food and enviroment. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10700 Posts
https://www.zdf.de/kultur/filme-dokus-kabarett/die-anstalt-158.html this episode is just pure gold.. the first 15-20 minutes are kinda "meh" but then... best political satire i have seen in a long time. edit: after ~5 minutes | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On April 11 2017 03:16 Big J wrote: I honestly believe they are simply idiots when it comes to economy. They just don't care, they want to dictate their pure population ideology, they want law and order politics and anything more complicated than that is too much for them. So what they do is they go to liberterian institutes, which tell them that all they need to do is reduce taxes and regulations. Which is the perfect fit, as this economical ideology combines perfectly with not having a functional brain, all they have to do at this point is throw around vague principles like "Laffer Curve" or find an example of a business that would be doing so much better, if only those regulations wouldn't prevent them from pouring poison into our food and enviroment. Le Pen's niece: “I don't care whether my daughter pays her burqa in francs or euros.” Pretty much says it all, uh? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10700 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On April 11 2017 03:16 Big J wrote: I honestly believe they are simply idiots when it comes to economy. They just don't care, they want to dictate their pure population ideology, they want law and order politics and anything more complicated than that is too much for them. So what they do is they go to liberterian institutes, which tell them that all they need to do is reduce taxes and regulations. Which is the perfect fit, as this economical ideology combines perfectly with not having a functional brain, all they have to do at this point is throw around vague principles like "Laffer Curve" or find an example of a business that would be doing so much better, if only those regulations wouldn't prevent them from pouring poison into our food and enviroment. Unfortunately they are pandering to the brainless, average voter. Amirite Donny Drumpf? | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On April 11 2017 03:27 Velr wrote: If you speak german and ask yourself... why people have problems with democracy: https://www.zdf.de/kultur/filme-dokus-kabarett/die-anstalt-158.html this episode is just pure gold.. the first 15-20 minutes are kinda "meh" but then... best political satire i have seen in a long time. edit: after ~5 minutes Diese sendung is nur in Deutschland, Osterreich und der Schweiz verfugbar. I really hope the EU will bring in legislation to solve this kind of nonsense too. Single market my ass. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On April 11 2017 01:05 Incognoto wrote: To each their own. Honestly at 40 hours a week, I'm not really missing free time too much. I still have time to do whatever I want mostly. The money is good as well so I can pay for rent, fuel and food easily (rent is pretty expensive too) and still put a little money aside for flight training. Income matters to me since I'm engaged in flight training and hour building as a professional pilot. Later on I'd like to buy a small plane or something too. These are things which I can do in the USA but I wouldn't even dream about doing in France. To be fair though, my job is really, really easy. you don't want more time for flight training? what do you do that is so easy? | ||
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