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On January 17 2017 20:24 DickMcFanny wrote:
I just came back to Germany and it's quite remarkable how much the country has changed in just 18 months.
First off, there's police EVERYWHERE. That's so depressing. Up until recently, all you ever saw was the Ordnungsamt, now there's police at every corner.
For the first time I can recall, four Bundespolizisten came into the train today and wanted to see our IDs because a couple of Bahn staff were attacked and molested.
My friend, who volunteers for the THW in an emergency vehicle says they now had to hire a security company because they can't go into certain areas without protection. If they go into migrant territory to treat an emergency, the migrants attack them or try to steal equipment.
Even hospitals aren't safe anymore, Muslims frequently come in and attack doctors and nurses if they don't give preferential treatment to Muslim women. There's recently been a case in NRW where an emergency nurse (male) got beaten to a pulp because he removed a hijab to treat a woman... He was kneeling down, took her pulse and got kicked in the head. When he was on the ground, some more migrants kicked the shit out of him.
Not a day goes by without some violent crime making it into national news, 60% of people report feeling less safe in Germany, Antisemitism is on the rise again...
It all just feels like a giant net-loss to our society.
I've honestly never heard or seen anything like that myself and I've been living here for 28 years now. Can I ask where you went (just the general region, don't need an address  ) ? Not saying what you're saying is exaggerated, just curious because I never had anything like that
I've literally never seen 4 policemen go into a train to check IDs, and I go through Frankfurt mainstation every week, multiple times. From time to time I've seen single policemen sitting in a train riding it like normal people though.
Honestly, the only time I see police is when there's some kind of local football derby and then you see a shitton of policemen at the station, you ask yourself if something happened (as a non-football kind of guy) and then you remember "aaah right, Frankfurt is playing today".
And like I said before in this thread, I'm living in walking distance to an "innitial admission center (for refugees)" (or whatever it would be called in english) for the region here and that has never been an issue either.
I have heard from the gas station lady though that supposedly a good amount of people don't really respect her. Like asking for directions, they'll ignore what she says and ask for a guy to explain it instead.
Can't say I've been to a hospital recently.
Unrelated, when I'm here anyways:
NPD (Neonazi party) was not banned. Judges basicly determined that they have a similarity in nature with nationalsocialism, that they are trying to abolish the constitutional order but have no way to do so due to insignificance
+ Show Spoiler [german] +Das Bundesverfassungsgericht hat den Antrag der Bundesländer auf ein Verbot der NPD wegen ihrer politischen Bedeutungslosigkeit abgelehnt.
Zwar bestehe kein Zweifel an den verfassungswidrigen Zielen der rechtsextremen Partei, entschied der Zweite Senat in seinem am Dienstag verkündeten Urteil. So weise die NPD "eine Wesensverwandtschaft mit dem Nationalsozialismus" auf." Wegen ihrer politischen Schwäche habe die NPD aber derzeit keine Möglichkeit, ihre verfassungsfeindlichen Ziele zu erreichen. (AZ: 2 BvB 1/13). Damit scheiterte nach 2003 bereits der zweite Antrag auf ein NPD-Verbot.
"Das politische Konzept der NPD ist auf die Beseitigung der freiheitlichen demokratischen Grundordnung gerichtet", urteilten die obersten Richter. Der von der NPD vertretene Volksbegriff verletze die Menschenwürde. Für ein Verbot müssten jedoch "konkrete Anhaltspunkte von Gewicht vorliegen, die es zumindest möglich erscheinen lassen, dass das Handeln der Partei erfolgreich sein kann". Dies scheine aber derzeit innerhalb und außerhalb der Parlamente ausgeschlossen. Die NPD mit nur noch weniger als 6000 Mitgliedern ist in keinem Landesparlament mehr vertreten und hat im Europaparlament nur noch ein Mandat
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source: de.reuters.com
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As expected. They tried to pull a nazi move to ban the 'nazis', instead than focusing on successful politics and good ideas. If the country were administered justly, parties like the NDP wouldn't even exist.
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On January 17 2017 22:40 SoSexy wrote:
As expected. They tried to pull a nazi move to ban the 'nazis', instead than focusing on successful politics and good ideas. If the country were administered justly, parties like the NDP wouldn't even exist.
I do think the people deserve a lot of the blame. Limited government means that self-organizing needs to play a large role in shaping the world they live in to a far larger degree than people seem to be willing to take responsibility for.
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in this case the 'nazis' are literal nazis though. No need for quotation marks
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6layH82.jpg)
or the infamously ambiguous:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VgMYI6j.jpg)
literally: "Give gas", which also happens to be how you'd say "floor it" or something along those lines in german
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On January 17 2017 21:22 Reaps wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 20:24 DickMcFanny wrote:
I just came back to Germany and it's quite remarkable how much the country has changed in just 18 months.
First off, there's police EVERYWHERE. That's so depressing. Up until recently, all you ever saw was the Ordnungsamt, now there's police at every corner.
For the first time I can recall, four Bundespolizisten came into the train today and wanted to see our IDs because a couple of Bahn staff were attacked and molested.
My friend, who volunteers for the THW in an emergency vehicle says they now had to hire a security company because they can't go into certain areas without protection. If they go into migrant territory to treat an emergency, the migrants attack them or try to steal equipment.
Even hospitals aren't safe anymore, Muslims frequently come in and attack doctors and nurses if they don't give preferential treatment to Muslim women. There's recently been a case in NRW where an emergency nurse (male) got beaten to a pulp because he removed a hijab to treat a woman... He was kneeling down, took her pulse and got kicked in the head. When he was on the ground, some more migrants kicked the shit out of him.
Not a day goes by without some violent crime making it into national news, 60% of people report feeling less safe in Germany, Antisemitism is on the rise again...
It all just feels like a giant net-loss to our society.
My gf who works in a hospital in Germany tells me pretty much the exact same thing, she's spent her entire life training to become a doctor but her life is fast becoming a misery because of things like this. It's got to the point where we have to rethink our plans we made years ago in fear of her safety.
Just move elsewhere. Europe is a powder keg, a swamp of animosity. We lost the UK which is now becoming another American satellite. The economy can't cope with losing the UK AND millions of welfare migrants.
It just goes to show that you can't have open borders AND a welfare state. Pick one.
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Gas geben lmao. How did that fly? I thought Germans were super sensitive about these things.
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While the meaning is pretty clear on that ad, "Gas geben" is also a normal expression for driving fast. Kinda hard to ban something like that.
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On January 17 2017 23:27 Velr wrote:
While the meaning is pretty clear on that ad, "Gas geben" is also a normal expression for driving fast. Kinda hard to ban something like that.
Linguistically, it is very interesting that Italian has the same exact expression, 'dare gas'.
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On January 17 2017 20:24 DickMcFanny wrote:
I just came back to Germany and it's quite remarkable how much the country has changed in just 18 months.
First off, there's police EVERYWHERE. That's so depressing. Up until recently, all you ever saw was the Ordnungsamt, now there's police at every corner.
For the first time I can recall, four Bundespolizisten came into the train today and wanted to see our IDs because a couple of Bahn staff were attacked and molested.
My friend, who volunteers for the THW in an emergency vehicle says they now had to hire a security company because they can't go into certain areas without protection. If they go into migrant territory to treat an emergency, the migrants attack them or try to steal equipment.
Even hospitals aren't safe anymore, Muslims frequently come in and attack doctors and nurses if they don't give preferential treatment to Muslim women. There's recently been a case in NRW where an emergency nurse (male) got beaten to a pulp because he removed a hijab to treat a woman... He was kneeling down, took her pulse and got kicked in the head. When he was on the ground, some more migrants kicked the shit out of him.
Not a day goes by without some violent crime making it into national news, 60% of people report feeling less safe in Germany, Antisemitism is on the rise again...
It all just feels like a giant net-loss to our society.
I've just been talking to a syrian power plant engineer specializing in atomic energy. Works for EON here, wonderful lady.
A refugee I know speaks fluent german, is as friendly as can be and is doing lots of voluntary work until he can get a work permit, wonderful guy as well, is gonna be on the radio. Finally managed to get his family out of the hellhole they once called home.
At my place there neither was nor is much police. Even over the christmas holidays I've hardly seen any, not even at Alexanderplatz while I've been in Berlin. Maybe you're more perceptive in that regard but our impressions differ vastly.
Btw, last Irish men I met were pissdrunk, could hardly stand and asked me for directions to the next pub. Do I thus think all Irish are drunkards? No, even though all Irish people I've met were drunk AF.
So much for personal experience painting an entire picture.
To me, the country hasn't changed much, even after the Berlin attack.
I also skimmed through the BILD headlines of the german news section from christmas to now for you and there was manslaughter by shovel and doctors burning a penis and other doctors raping patients but nothing like you just said.
And if there's a paper that would jump the gun it would be BILD.
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On January 17 2017 23:19 Laurens wrote:
Gas geben lmao. How did that fly? I thought Germans were super sensitive about these things.
sry for german, but basicly "fine because ambiguous and you can see him on a motorbike"
Eines zeigt den NPD-Vorsitzenden Udo Voigt in Ledermontur auf einem Motorrad mit dem Slogan "Gas geben!". Das Gericht begründete seine Entscheidung mit dem Verweis auf die Mehrdeutigkeit. Zwar sei es möglich, dass die NPD Assoziationen zum Massenmord an den Juden wecken wolle; es sei aber nicht auszuschließen, dass sie damit nur eine "eher volkstümliche Formulierung" der Beschleunigung politischer Entscheidungen meine.
also
Deutscher Vorname mit fünf Buchstaben: "Adolf"
Die Berliner NPD sorgte im laufenden Wahlkampf schon einmal für einen Eklat: In ihrer aktuellen Informationsbroschüre erscheint ein Kreuzworträtsel, das nach einem deutschen Vornamen sucht, "der etwas aus der Mode gekommen ist". Die Lösung mit fünf Buchstaben: "Adolf".
so basicly they had a crossword puzzle in their pamphlet, the final solution being a german given name with 5 letters that's a bit out of fashion nowadays. Obviously ended up being "Adolf"
so long story short and why I brought it up: I always find it funny when people talk about how Germany is going down the drain and censoring everyhing. Sure we might have politicians suggesting such things but if you can get away with the above in Germany because judges shoot down attempts to ban even that it can't be that bad imo
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On January 17 2017 23:30 SoSexy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 23:27 Velr wrote:
While the meaning is pretty clear on that ad, "Gas geben" is also a normal expression for driving fast. Kinda hard to ban something like that. Linguistically, it is very interesting that Italian has the same exact expression, 'dare gas'.
So does Polish. :-)
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On January 17 2017 23:34 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 20:24 DickMcFanny wrote:
I just came back to Germany and it's quite remarkable how much the country has changed in just 18 months.
First off, there's police EVERYWHERE. That's so depressing. Up until recently, all you ever saw was the Ordnungsamt, now there's police at every corner.
For the first time I can recall, four Bundespolizisten came into the train today and wanted to see our IDs because a couple of Bahn staff were attacked and molested.
My friend, who volunteers for the THW in an emergency vehicle says they now had to hire a security company because they can't go into certain areas without protection. If they go into migrant territory to treat an emergency, the migrants attack them or try to steal equipment.
Even hospitals aren't safe anymore, Muslims frequently come in and attack doctors and nurses if they don't give preferential treatment to Muslim women. There's recently been a case in NRW where an emergency nurse (male) got beaten to a pulp because he removed a hijab to treat a woman... He was kneeling down, took her pulse and got kicked in the head. When he was on the ground, some more migrants kicked the shit out of him.
Not a day goes by without some violent crime making it into national news, 60% of people report feeling less safe in Germany, Antisemitism is on the rise again...
It all just feels like a giant net-loss to our society.
Btw, last Irish men I met were pissdrunk, could hardly stand and asked me for directions to the next pub. Do I thus think all Irish are drunkards? No, even though all Irish people I've met were drunk AF. So much for personal experience painting an entire picture.
What's your point? That's how stereotypes work, many Irish love to drink and watch rugby, so they're stereotyped as liking drinking and watching rugby. This #notallIrish or #notallfeminists or #notalldjihadist argument never made sense to me because I've never met a single person who was of the opinion that every person of a particular group of people is the same.
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Your experience (including your surroundings apparently) may have been shit, doesn't mean everyone in Germany feels that way. Though there are groups that have never personally encountered foreigners and do think all men are rapists and cultural differences are so deep that living together is impossible.
I'm still interested in how you managed to create a causality between antisemitism and refugees btw.
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I also sometimes feel people are living in/visiting a different Germany than I. My life has been remarkably untouched since 2015 and traveling the country I don't experience any of what McFanny described above.
I can well imagine this to be very different in public services like police, nurses, or teachers though.
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On January 18 2017 00:08 zatic wrote:
I also sometimes feel people are living in/visiting a different Germany than I. My life has been remarkably untouched since 2015 and traveling the country I don't experience any of what McFanny described above.
I can well imagine this to be very different in public services like police, nurses, or teachers though.
You have not at least noticed police being everywhere?
Maybe it's because I have been away for 18 months so the contrast seems starker.
Also I used to live in Heidelberg and now I'm in Bonn, which are kind of different cities.
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On January 17 2017 23:50 DickMcFanny wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 23:34 Artisreal wrote:On January 17 2017 20:24 DickMcFanny wrote:
I just came back to Germany and it's quite remarkable how much the country has changed in just 18 months.
First off, there's police EVERYWHERE. That's so depressing. Up until recently, all you ever saw was the Ordnungsamt, now there's police at every corner.
For the first time I can recall, four Bundespolizisten came into the train today and wanted to see our IDs because a couple of Bahn staff were attacked and molested.
My friend, who volunteers for the THW in an emergency vehicle says they now had to hire a security company because they can't go into certain areas without protection. If they go into migrant territory to treat an emergency, the migrants attack them or try to steal equipment.
Even hospitals aren't safe anymore, Muslims frequently come in and attack doctors and nurses if they don't give preferential treatment to Muslim women. There's recently been a case in NRW where an emergency nurse (male) got beaten to a pulp because he removed a hijab to treat a woman... He was kneeling down, took her pulse and got kicked in the head. When he was on the ground, some more migrants kicked the shit out of him.
Not a day goes by without some violent crime making it into national news, 60% of people report feeling less safe in Germany, Antisemitism is on the rise again...
It all just feels like a giant net-loss to our society.
Btw, last Irish men I met were pissdrunk, could hardly stand and asked me for directions to the next pub. Do I thus think all Irish are drunkards? No, even though all Irish people I've met were drunk AF. So much for personal experience painting an entire picture. What's your point? That's how stereotypes work, many Irish love to drink and watch rugby, so they're stereotyped as liking drinking and watching rugby. This #notallIrish or #notallfeminists or #notalldjihadist argument never made sense to me because I've never met a single person who was of the opinion that every person of a particular group of people is the same.
Whenever you personally anyone and ask him/her directly if "all people who are x also are y", everyone will obviously deny it, and for good reasons.
However, it can be quite telling when, and in which cases, people/politicians use this type of argument on their own. If you pin a far-right-human into a corner (figuratively speaking), then and only then, they will admit that "not all refuges are criminals". On the other hand, many on the left will do everything to avoid talking about "some refugees have values which cause trouble for women". Yet, I expect either side be quick to to say things like "that refugee saving a car crash victim sure was the expection" or something equivalent for the lefts.
Often political parties (and often, their voters), tend to exclusively focus on one aspect of large problems. I believe that for a civil discussion, and for the sake of not increasing rifts in societies, it would be beneficial to occasionally acknowledges, without being forced to, that there is a different side to the problem in question. Even if one then continues to explain while it is in fact only a marginal aspect. If you are not driven purely by ideology, this should not hurt, annoy or upset you.
edit: added some points for clarifications.
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On January 18 2017 00:13 DickMcFanny wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 00:08 zatic wrote:
I also sometimes feel people are living in/visiting a different Germany than I. My life has been remarkably untouched since 2015 and traveling the country I don't experience any of what McFanny described above.
I can well imagine this to be very different in public services like police, nurses, or teachers though. You have not at least noticed police being everywhere? Maybe it's because I have been away for 18 months so the contrast seems starker. Also I used to live in Heidelberg and now I'm in Bonn, which are kind of different cities.
Like I said earlier, aside from soccer games when they're looking out for hooligans... I don't think I've ever seen a lot of policemen anywhere either. And I go through frankfurt mainstation every week
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On January 17 2017 23:34 Artisreal wrote:
I also skimmed through the BILD headlines of the german news section from christmas to now for you and there was manslaughter by shovel and doctors burning a penis and other doctors raping patients but nothing like you just said.
And if there's a paper that would jump the gun it would be BILD. Please tell me why doctors were burning a penis.
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On January 17 2017 20:24 DickMcFanny wrote:
I just came back to Germany and it's quite remarkable how much the country has changed in just 18 months.
First off, there's police EVERYWHERE. That's so depressing. Up until recently, all you ever saw was the Ordnungsamt, now there's police at every corner.
For the first time I can recall, four Bundespolizisten came into the train today and wanted to see our IDs because a couple of Bahn staff were attacked and molested.
My friend, who volunteers for the THW in an emergency vehicle says they now had to hire a security company because they can't go into certain areas without protection. If they go into migrant territory to treat an emergency, the migrants attack them or try to steal equipment.
Even hospitals aren't safe anymore, Muslims frequently come in and attack doctors and nurses if they don't give preferential treatment to Muslim women. There's recently been a case in NRW where an emergency nurse (male) got beaten to a pulp because he removed a hijab to treat a woman... He was kneeling down, took her pulse and got kicked in the head. When he was on the ground, some more migrants kicked the shit out of him.
Not a day goes by without some violent crime making it into national news, 60% of people report feeling less safe in Germany, Antisemitism is on the rise again...
It all just feels like a giant net-loss to our society.
You mean Germany right? The country in the middle of Europe, right?
I´m just asking, because I live here since I was born and the things you describe are not in any way accurate. Maybe you went into some shady regions I never heard of, maybe. Or it is a flat out lie. Especially the part about "EVERYWHERE".
Is this breitbart-news or sth.? Like their headline that some refugees burnt down a church (which was also a complete fake, btw.)?
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You obviously hit a very sensitive point here 
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