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On September 17 2016 04:02 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 03:32 farvacola wrote:On September 17 2016 03:14 Ghostcom wrote:On September 17 2016 03:03 Nyxisto wrote:
Well if your opposition to the EU is synonymous with a position of "I don't trust the experts" and "Brussels dictatorship is ruining my life" I think it's fair to call someone phobic, which is after all irrational fear and distrust based on ignorance.
This was really the best thing you could find to support your silly arguments? Shit dude, it's probably time to reconsider instead then... The collective lack of political will with regards to the carrying out and implementing of Brexit post-passage speaks for itself, no? Collective lack of political will on behalf of the pro-EU elected government to carry out the results of a referendum it didn't support?
But it was the platform they were elected on.
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On September 17 2016 03:32 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 03:14 Ghostcom wrote:On September 17 2016 03:03 Nyxisto wrote:Well if your opposition to the EU is synonymous with a position of "I don't trust the experts" and "Brussels dictatorship is ruining my life" I think it's fair to call someone phobic, which is after all irrational fear and distrust based on ignorance. https://twitter.com/GoogleTrends/status/746303118820937728 This was really the best thing you could find to support your silly arguments? Shit dude, it's probably time to reconsider instead then... The collective lack of political will with regards to the carrying out and implementing of Brexit post-passage speaks for itself, no?
You are better than this. The two things (being in opposition to the current EU direction and why Brexit is not being enacted) have nothing to do with each other.
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On September 17 2016 04:04 Madkipz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 04:02 LegalLord wrote:On September 17 2016 03:32 farvacola wrote:On September 17 2016 03:14 Ghostcom wrote:On September 17 2016 03:03 Nyxisto wrote:Well if your opposition to the EU is synonymous with a position of "I don't trust the experts" and "Brussels dictatorship is ruining my life" I think it's fair to call someone phobic, which is after all irrational fear and distrust based on ignorance. https://twitter.com/GoogleTrends/status/746303118820937728 This was really the best thing you could find to support your silly arguments? Shit dude, it's probably time to reconsider instead then... The collective lack of political will with regards to the carrying out and implementing of Brexit post-passage speaks for itself, no? Collective lack of political will on behalf of the pro-EU elected government to carry out the results of a referendum it didn't support? But it was the platform they were elected on.
With shaky enough support that they had to promise a referendum to entice people away from voting UKIP.
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'No reason to worry' even after US asks Deutsche Bank to pay $14 billion
German lender Deutsche Bank sounded an optimistic tone Friday, despite its shares suffering their worst day since late June following the news of a proposed $14 billion settlement by the U.S. Justice Department.
German lender Deutsche Bank sounded an optimistic tone Friday, despite its shares suffering their worst day since late June following the news of a proposed $14 billion settlement by the U.S. Justice Department.
Jorg Eigendorf, head of communications and senior group director at Deutsche Bank, said that the bank had a "comfortable cushion" after the DOJ suggested that the bank pay $14 billion to settle a number of investigations related to mortgage securities. Reports state that investigations refer to the way it sold these securities before the financial crash of 2008.
Eigendorf said that it was a very high number but was confident that "we'll be able to negotiate this number down." Analysts have speculated that the bank might not have enough of a buffer even if the proposed settlement was halved.
"We didn't want this number to leak out ... We want these negotiations to be confidential" he told CNBC Friday.
He added that the bank was not concerned and there was "no reason to be worried right now." Shares slid nearly 8 percent in Friday's session after news of the suggested settlement.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/16/no-reason-to-worry-even-after-us-asks-deutsche-bank-to-pay-14-billion.html
So this is US response to the EU trying to tax Apple ?
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On September 17 2016 05:59 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote + 'No reason to worry' even after US asks Deutsche Bank to pay $14 billion
German lender Deutsche Bank sounded an optimistic tone Friday, despite its shares suffering their worst day since late June following the news of a proposed $14 billion settlement by the U.S. Justice Department.
German lender Deutsche Bank sounded an optimistic tone Friday, despite its shares suffering their worst day since late June following the news of a proposed $14 billion settlement by the U.S. Justice Department.
Jorg Eigendorf, head of communications and senior group director at Deutsche Bank, said that the bank had a "comfortable cushion" after the DOJ suggested that the bank pay $14 billion to settle a number of investigations related to mortgage securities. Reports state that investigations refer to the way it sold these securities before the financial crash of 2008.
Eigendorf said that it was a very high number but was confident that "we'll be able to negotiate this number down." Analysts have speculated that the bank might not have enough of a buffer even if the proposed settlement was halved.
"We didn't want this number to leak out ... We want these negotiations to be confidential" he told CNBC Friday.
He added that the bank was not concerned and there was "no reason to be worried right now." Shares slid nearly 8 percent in Friday's session after news of the suggested settlement. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/16/no-reason-to-worry-even-after-us-asks-deutsche-bank-to-pay-14-billion.htmlSo this is US response to the EU trying to tax Apple ?
right.... because its not like these investigations haven't been running for months already and that they are only moving forward with it because Apple got fined...
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On September 17 2016 06:01 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 05:59 Godwrath wrote: 'No reason to worry' even after US asks Deutsche Bank to pay $14 billion
German lender Deutsche Bank sounded an optimistic tone Friday, despite its shares suffering their worst day since late June following the news of a proposed $14 billion settlement by the U.S. Justice Department.
German lender Deutsche Bank sounded an optimistic tone Friday, despite its shares suffering their worst day since late June following the news of a proposed $14 billion settlement by the U.S. Justice Department.
Jorg Eigendorf, head of communications and senior group director at Deutsche Bank, said that the bank had a "comfortable cushion" after the DOJ suggested that the bank pay $14 billion to settle a number of investigations related to mortgage securities. Reports state that investigations refer to the way it sold these securities before the financial crash of 2008.
Eigendorf said that it was a very high number but was confident that "we'll be able to negotiate this number down." Analysts have speculated that the bank might not have enough of a buffer even if the proposed settlement was halved.
"We didn't want this number to leak out ... We want these negotiations to be confidential" he told CNBC Friday.
He added that the bank was not concerned and there was "no reason to be worried right now." Shares slid nearly 8 percent in Friday's session after news of the suggested settlement. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/16/no-reason-to-worry-even-after-us-asks-deutsche-bank-to-pay-14-billion.htmlSo this is US response to the EU trying to tax Apple ? right.... because its not like these investigations haven't been running for months already and that they are only moving forward with it because Apple got fined...
And somehow you think that taxing Apple was a decission taken the same day they "discovered" it. But you are right, it could probably had more to do with US elections more rather than taxing US corporations.
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On September 17 2016 06:03 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 06:01 Gorsameth wrote:On September 17 2016 05:59 Godwrath wrote: 'No reason to worry' even after US asks Deutsche Bank to pay $14 billion
German lender Deutsche Bank sounded an optimistic tone Friday, despite its shares suffering their worst day since late June following the news of a proposed $14 billion settlement by the U.S. Justice Department.
German lender Deutsche Bank sounded an optimistic tone Friday, despite its shares suffering their worst day since late June following the news of a proposed $14 billion settlement by the U.S. Justice Department.
Jorg Eigendorf, head of communications and senior group director at Deutsche Bank, said that the bank had a "comfortable cushion" after the DOJ suggested that the bank pay $14 billion to settle a number of investigations related to mortgage securities. Reports state that investigations refer to the way it sold these securities before the financial crash of 2008.
Eigendorf said that it was a very high number but was confident that "we'll be able to negotiate this number down." Analysts have speculated that the bank might not have enough of a buffer even if the proposed settlement was halved.
"We didn't want this number to leak out ... We want these negotiations to be confidential" he told CNBC Friday.
He added that the bank was not concerned and there was "no reason to be worried right now." Shares slid nearly 8 percent in Friday's session after news of the suggested settlement. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/16/no-reason-to-worry-even-after-us-asks-deutsche-bank-to-pay-14-billion.htmlSo this is US response to the EU trying to tax Apple ? right.... because its not like these investigations haven't been running for months already and that they are only moving forward with it because Apple got fined... And somehow you think that taxing Apple was a decission taken the same day they "discovered" it. But you are right, it could probably had more to do with US elections more rather than taxing US corporations.
Where did I make that statement?
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On September 17 2016 06:07 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 06:03 Godwrath wrote:On September 17 2016 06:01 Gorsameth wrote:On September 17 2016 05:59 Godwrath wrote: 'No reason to worry' even after US asks Deutsche Bank to pay $14 billion
German lender Deutsche Bank sounded an optimistic tone Friday, despite its shares suffering their worst day since late June following the news of a proposed $14 billion settlement by the U.S. Justice Department.
German lender Deutsche Bank sounded an optimistic tone Friday, despite its shares suffering their worst day since late June following the news of a proposed $14 billion settlement by the U.S. Justice Department.
Jorg Eigendorf, head of communications and senior group director at Deutsche Bank, said that the bank had a "comfortable cushion" after the DOJ suggested that the bank pay $14 billion to settle a number of investigations related to mortgage securities. Reports state that investigations refer to the way it sold these securities before the financial crash of 2008.
Eigendorf said that it was a very high number but was confident that "we'll be able to negotiate this number down." Analysts have speculated that the bank might not have enough of a buffer even if the proposed settlement was halved.
"We didn't want this number to leak out ... We want these negotiations to be confidential" he told CNBC Friday.
He added that the bank was not concerned and there was "no reason to be worried right now." Shares slid nearly 8 percent in Friday's session after news of the suggested settlement. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/16/no-reason-to-worry-even-after-us-asks-deutsche-bank-to-pay-14-billion.htmlSo this is US response to the EU trying to tax Apple ? right.... because its not like these investigations haven't been running for months already and that they are only moving forward with it because Apple got fined... And somehow you think that taxing Apple was a decission taken the same day they "discovered" it. But you are right, it could probably had more to do with US elections more rather than taxing US corporations. Where did I make that statement? Well, explain your reasoning yourself then.
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On September 17 2016 06:11 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 06:07 Gorsameth wrote:On September 17 2016 06:03 Godwrath wrote:On September 17 2016 06:01 Gorsameth wrote:On September 17 2016 05:59 Godwrath wrote: 'No reason to worry' even after US asks Deutsche Bank to pay $14 billion
German lender Deutsche Bank sounded an optimistic tone Friday, despite its shares suffering their worst day since late June following the news of a proposed $14 billion settlement by the U.S. Justice Department.
German lender Deutsche Bank sounded an optimistic tone Friday, despite its shares suffering their worst day since late June following the news of a proposed $14 billion settlement by the U.S. Justice Department.
Jorg Eigendorf, head of communications and senior group director at Deutsche Bank, said that the bank had a "comfortable cushion" after the DOJ suggested that the bank pay $14 billion to settle a number of investigations related to mortgage securities. Reports state that investigations refer to the way it sold these securities before the financial crash of 2008.
Eigendorf said that it was a very high number but was confident that "we'll be able to negotiate this number down." Analysts have speculated that the bank might not have enough of a buffer even if the proposed settlement was halved.
"We didn't want this number to leak out ... We want these negotiations to be confidential" he told CNBC Friday.
He added that the bank was not concerned and there was "no reason to be worried right now." Shares slid nearly 8 percent in Friday's session after news of the suggested settlement. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/16/no-reason-to-worry-even-after-us-asks-deutsche-bank-to-pay-14-billion.htmlSo this is US response to the EU trying to tax Apple ? right.... because its not like these investigations haven't been running for months already and that they are only moving forward with it because Apple got fined... And somehow you think that taxing Apple was a decission taken the same day they "discovered" it. But you are right, it could probably had more to do with US elections more rather than taxing US corporations. Where did I make that statement? Well, explain your reasoning yourself then.
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That the investigation into Deutsche Bank will have been going on for many months and that they did not decide to pursue a fine/settlement just because Apple got fined? They would not have dropped the case if the Apple fine did not happen.
You know, like exactly what I posted...
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On September 17 2016 06:16 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 06:11 Godwrath wrote:On September 17 2016 06:07 Gorsameth wrote:On September 17 2016 06:03 Godwrath wrote:On September 17 2016 06:01 Gorsameth wrote:On September 17 2016 05:59 Godwrath wrote: 'No reason to worry' even after US asks Deutsche Bank to pay $14 billion
German lender Deutsche Bank sounded an optimistic tone Friday, despite its shares suffering their worst day since late June following the news of a proposed $14 billion settlement by the U.S. Justice Department.
German lender Deutsche Bank sounded an optimistic tone Friday, despite its shares suffering their worst day since late June following the news of a proposed $14 billion settlement by the U.S. Justice Department.
Jorg Eigendorf, head of communications and senior group director at Deutsche Bank, said that the bank had a "comfortable cushion" after the DOJ suggested that the bank pay $14 billion to settle a number of investigations related to mortgage securities. Reports state that investigations refer to the way it sold these securities before the financial crash of 2008.
Eigendorf said that it was a very high number but was confident that "we'll be able to negotiate this number down." Analysts have speculated that the bank might not have enough of a buffer even if the proposed settlement was halved.
"We didn't want this number to leak out ... We want these negotiations to be confidential" he told CNBC Friday.
He added that the bank was not concerned and there was "no reason to be worried right now." Shares slid nearly 8 percent in Friday's session after news of the suggested settlement. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/16/no-reason-to-worry-even-after-us-asks-deutsche-bank-to-pay-14-billion.htmlSo this is US response to the EU trying to tax Apple ? right.... because its not like these investigations haven't been running for months already and that they are only moving forward with it because Apple got fined... And somehow you think that taxing Apple was a decission taken the same day they "discovered" it. But you are right, it could probably had more to do with US elections more rather than taxing US corporations. Where did I make that statement? Well, explain your reasoning yourself then. .... That the investigation into Deutsche Bank will have been going on for many months and that they did not decide to pursue a fine/settlement just because Apple got fined? They would not have dropped the case if the Apple fine did not happen. You know, like exactly what I posted... Well, i admit that's mostly my fault, since i thought you would be aware that these investigations involve, for a huge part, negotiations. But i guess the number is also a mere coincidence, so is the timing of the leak.
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On September 16 2016 23:53 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2016 22:03 Godwrath wrote:Bratislava EU meeting: Merkel says bloc in 'critical situation'
The European Union is in a "critical situation", the German chancellor has said, as leaders meet in Slovakia to discuss ways to regain trust after the UK's vote to leave the bloc.
Angela Merkel said they needed to show they could improve on security, defence co-operation and the economy.
But EU countries are deeply divided over how to bolster growth and respond to the influx of migrants.
Meeting in Bratislava without the UK, they will not discuss Brexit talks.
"We need solutions for Europe and we are in a critical situation," Mrs Merkel said as she arrived at the gathering.
"You can't solve all Europe's problems in one summit. What we have to do is show in our deeds we can do things better in the realms of security and fighting terrorism, and in the field of defence."
Even though Britain's referendum result is not on the agenda, and British Prime Minister Theresa May is not attending the summit, there is little doubt that Brexit will overshadow the meeting.
French President Francois Hollande said: "Either we move in the direction of disintegration, of dilution, or we work together to inject new momentum, we relaunch the European project." http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37380429 how one should read that - we want an army else there's no European project so we're gonna bullshit people and bribe politicians until we get one.
Here is my vision : the european project is the imperialist nostalgia of the european elite in institutional form. Which is why european leaders can only think about an european army to launch the european project anew.
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The European project is very popular among millennials, the age difference in voting was very striking regarding the brexit vote as well. I'd hardly call 20s college kids European imperialists
Calling the project that was created to make war on this continent impossible a tool of imperialism is kind of hilarious in general
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What does age has to do with this ? You think imperialism is only about conquest ? The US is an imperialist power, but not a conquerer. We want to mimic the exact same behavior : expand our "influence" (i.e. the power to constraint others) through the economy (and our currency), our "culture" (thought as a product of consumption, but that convey our "values") and our army (that defend those values on the world stage).
The entire project is not thought nor defended as a way to improve the quality of life of europeans, but as a way for "Europe" to defend and project itself in the world stage.
Don't give me that crap about the young and talented progressive fighting against the conservative old ass.
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The quality and life of Europeans has never been higher than it is right now, well the great recession aside. We've never had more peace or prosperity on the continent. That's not just some silly mantra but actually true. History up until the creation of common European institutions has been darn bloody on this continent.
Is constantly drunk Jean-Claude Juncker the best representative of this Union? Probably not, but I'd rather take a flawed European Union over whatever ideas are brewing among the fringe parties.
And of course if you create a political Union you impose rules and project power, although the EU does it in a rather soft way compared to any other union of nations that is around, which is why I was confused by the idea of imperialism. We're not practicing any domination by overwhelming force on the continent.
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The quality and life of Europeans has never been higher than it is right now
False, and irrelevant (how is that related to europe ?).
We've never had more peace or prosperity on the continent.
False. It's worse than it has been since the end of WWII.
And of course if you create a political Union you impose rules and project power, although the EU does it in a rather soft way compared to any other union of nations that is around, which is why I was confused by the idea of imperialism. We're not practicing any domination by overwhelming force on the continent.
So it's an imperialist project, but it is soft. "We're not practicing any domination yet" since we don't have any army.
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EU obviously practices imperialism, and is a tool of it, regardless how it was intended. The biggest imperialistc actions happen, of course, outside of Europe.
Calling the project that was created to make war on this continent impossible a tool of imperialism is kind of hilarious in general
This comment is especially strange. Any kind of nation also exists to make war inside the nation itself impossible, but single nations quite obviously can be imperialistic. Why should a union of nations be any different?
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I understood WhiteDog's comment as imperialism inside the EU, which would be fairly uncommon for any big union of nations. Or we're just using the word imperialism differently, because I'm not fond of literally using it for any form of political influence.
Also as far as power projection outside is concerned the EU is really punching below her weight.
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On September 17 2016 07:10 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 06:16 Gorsameth wrote:On September 17 2016 06:11 Godwrath wrote:On September 17 2016 06:07 Gorsameth wrote:On September 17 2016 06:03 Godwrath wrote:On September 17 2016 06:01 Gorsameth wrote:On September 17 2016 05:59 Godwrath wrote: 'No reason to worry' even after US asks Deutsche Bank to pay $14 billion
German lender Deutsche Bank sounded an optimistic tone Friday, despite its shares suffering their worst day since late June following the news of a proposed $14 billion settlement by the U.S. Justice Department.
German lender Deutsche Bank sounded an optimistic tone Friday, despite its shares suffering their worst day since late June following the news of a proposed $14 billion settlement by the U.S. Justice Department.
Jorg Eigendorf, head of communications and senior group director at Deutsche Bank, said that the bank had a "comfortable cushion" after the DOJ suggested that the bank pay $14 billion to settle a number of investigations related to mortgage securities. Reports state that investigations refer to the way it sold these securities before the financial crash of 2008.
Eigendorf said that it was a very high number but was confident that "we'll be able to negotiate this number down." Analysts have speculated that the bank might not have enough of a buffer even if the proposed settlement was halved.
"We didn't want this number to leak out ... We want these negotiations to be confidential" he told CNBC Friday.
He added that the bank was not concerned and there was "no reason to be worried right now." Shares slid nearly 8 percent in Friday's session after news of the suggested settlement. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/16/no-reason-to-worry-even-after-us-asks-deutsche-bank-to-pay-14-billion.htmlSo this is US response to the EU trying to tax Apple ? right.... because its not like these investigations haven't been running for months already and that they are only moving forward with it because Apple got fined... And somehow you think that taxing Apple was a decission taken the same day they "discovered" it. But you are right, it could probably had more to do with US elections more rather than taxing US corporations. Where did I make that statement? Well, explain your reasoning yourself then. .... That the investigation into Deutsche Bank will have been going on for many months and that they did not decide to pursue a fine/settlement just because Apple got fined? They would not have dropped the case if the Apple fine did not happen. You know, like exactly what I posted... Well, i admit that's mostly my fault, since i thought you would be aware that these investigations involve, for a huge part, negotiations. But i guess the number is also a mere coincidence, so is the timing of the leak.
you dudes are missing the bigger picture.
during peace and prosperous times, allies, collect those kind of aces for rainy days. how does it work: you find an illegality and pretend to investigate/prosecute it until you want/need something, then start squeezing the party you want something off of by cashing in on some of those cards.
this is not a tit for tat scenario; you take money from my Apple i take money from your banks. the prize, the thing being negotiated/fought over here, is something else entirely and those being mentioned above are just some of the cards used to steer those negotiations one way or the other.
imo, this is about Syria and maybe Libya. EU wants off its energy dependency of Russia and is trying to pressure US for dibs in the Middle East.
Edit:On September 17 2016 07:20 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2016 23:53 xM(Z wrote:On September 16 2016 22:03 Godwrath wrote:Bratislava EU meeting: Merkel says bloc in 'critical situation'
The European Union is in a "critical situation", the German chancellor has said, as leaders meet in Slovakia to discuss ways to regain trust after the UK's vote to leave the bloc.
Angela Merkel said they needed to show they could improve on security, defence co-operation and the economy.
But EU countries are deeply divided over how to bolster growth and respond to the influx of migrants.
Meeting in Bratislava without the UK, they will not discuss Brexit talks.
"We need solutions for Europe and we are in a critical situation," Mrs Merkel said as she arrived at the gathering.
"You can't solve all Europe's problems in one summit. What we have to do is show in our deeds we can do things better in the realms of security and fighting terrorism, and in the field of defence."
Even though Britain's referendum result is not on the agenda, and British Prime Minister Theresa May is not attending the summit, there is little doubt that Brexit will overshadow the meeting.
French President Francois Hollande said: "Either we move in the direction of disintegration, of dilution, or we work together to inject new momentum, we relaunch the European project." http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37380429 how one should read that - we want an army else there's no European project so we're gonna bullshit people and bribe politicians until we get one. Here is my vision : the european project is the imperialist nostalgia of the european elite in institutional form. Which is why european leaders can only think about an european army to launch the european project anew.
i'm thinking Holy Roman Empire, its catholicism connection and them vassals.
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On September 17 2016 08:28 Nyxisto wrote:
The European project is very popular among millennials, the age difference in voting was very striking regarding the brexit vote as well.
Only if you look at the results in a superficial way. At first this seems right:
![[image loading]](http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/15372/production/_90089868_eu_ref_uk_regions_leave_remain_gra624_by_age.png)
But then you have to factor in abstention, so you get this:
![[image loading]](http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/444781Brexit.jpg)
Where you can see that millenials are actually… the ones who voted the least for Bremain. If the European project was so popular among them, why didn't they bother to vote?
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On September 17 2016 19:23 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 08:28 Nyxisto wrote:
The European project is very popular among millennials, the age difference in voting was very striking regarding the brexit vote as well. Only if you look at the results in a superficial way. At first this seems right: But then you have to factor in abstention, so you get this: Where you can see that millenials are actually… the ones who voted the least for Bremain. If the European project was so popular among them, why didn't they bother to vote?
Millennials take democracy for granted, hence not voting/voting Remain.
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