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On September 17 2016 19:59 a_flayer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 19:55 TheDwf wrote:On September 17 2016 10:04 Nyxisto wrote:
The quality and life of Europeans has never been higher than it is right now, well the great recession aside. We've never had more peace or prosperity on the continent. Must be why far-right parties are on the rise in so many countries; it's of course a sign of prosperity and shared joy in the EU haven. As the quality of life rises, so do the expectations of people. At least, personally, once we achieve world peace and eliminate scarcity and whatnot, I won't be satisfied until I find something new to complain about.
The traditional rhetoric of thus who live in oppulence : "ppl are angry because they are jaleous" and "give them a hand, they eat the arm".
The quality of life has considerably discreases in France where medical desert begins to appear.
To give you an example because I bet you live in the rich district of a capital or you are brainwashed so you cannot realize. I live in a city next to Calais, you know, the town where there are a lot of migrants.
And I want to have an appointement with my doctor, guess what? I need to wait for 1 month, even a bit more, and this is not about a minor shit.Why? Because 30 years ago there were 4 doc, now, he is the only one. Why? Because the exams do not allow enough candidates and being a generalist is not well paid, not wanted : The profession cost a lot for the state which have too many debts, you understand? So the poors or the ppl who do not live in rich region are gonna die a bit earlier than the others, but hey, apparently, "Austerity" and as Jean-Lambert Tallien, during insurections caused by starvation, said : "A good citizen must be able to deprive himself". Ofc this man was corrupted, stole a lot of money from the state, participated at a lot of somptuous reception with his "beautiful" wife.
The world has not changed in the slightest.
Oh, I didn't even need to talk about the unemployement who carry on despite being already very hight in the region or the conflicts and difficulties that inevitably appear when you have in such a shitty social situation 10 000 strangers who are in an even more diffucult situation.
What a wonderful live we have under a federal system who imposes austerity and is built by a technocratic bourgeoisie who stole the ppl sovereignity.
Oh and the other reason of this rise is the betrayal of a large portion left who is just full of little jerks who serve UE without even noticing it as the Brexit election revealed it and has a clientelist approach with the muslim population and so, plays the communautarism game.
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On September 19 2016 18:02 SoSexy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2016 17:48 maartendq wrote:On September 17 2016 19:23 TheDwf wrote:On September 17 2016 08:28 Nyxisto wrote:
The European project is very popular among millennials, the age difference in voting was very striking regarding the brexit vote as well. Only if you look at the results in a superficial way. At first this seems right: ![[image loading]](http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/15372/production/_90089868_eu_ref_uk_regions_leave_remain_gra624_by_age.png) But then you have to factor in abstention, so you get this: ![[image loading]](http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/444781Brexit.jpg) Where you can see that millenials are actually… the ones who voted the least for Bremain. If the European project was so popular among them, why didn't they bother to vote? Because like many other young people around the world, they were either studying for finals or at work. Elections or referenda held on weekdays will always favour those who've got all the time in the world, i.e. those in retirement or early retirement. Additionally, 55+ is by far the largest age group, so they very easily can skew policy decisions in (what they perceive to be) their favour. What a joke. Voting is usually open from 7 am to 11 pm or similar stuff. If you can't find time to vote, you just don't care. no excuses. I have to study for the finals so I can't find 20 minutes to go and vote for something that I believe to be crucial for my future? No, they just don't care.
There is also voting by post or proxy if that day is impossible. They do make every effort to enable people to vote. Probably in a decade or two you can even do it on internet in most countries instead of a few as it currently is.
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On September 19 2016 23:12 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 19:59 a_flayer wrote:On September 17 2016 19:55 TheDwf wrote:On September 17 2016 10:04 Nyxisto wrote:
The quality and life of Europeans has never been higher than it is right now, well the great recession aside. We've never had more peace or prosperity on the continent. Must be why far-right parties are on the rise in so many countries; it's of course a sign of prosperity and shared joy in the EU haven. As the quality of life rises, so do the expectations of people. At least, personally, once we achieve world peace and eliminate scarcity and whatnot, I won't be satisfied until I find something new to complain about. The traditional rhetoric of thus who live in oppulence : "ppl are angry because they are jaleous" and "give them a hand, they eat the arm". The quality of life has considerably discreases in France where medical desert begins to appear. To give you an example because I bet you live in the rich district of a capital or you are brainwashed so you cannot realize. I live in a city next to Calais, you know, the town where there are a lot of migrants. And I want to have an appointement with my doctor, guess what? I need to wait for 1 month, even a bit more, and this is not about a minor shit.Why? Because 30 years ago there were 4 doc, now, he is the only one. Why? Because the exams do not allow enough candidates and being a generalist is not well paid, not wanted : The profession cost a lot for the state which have too many debts, you understand?
To illustrate:
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/494251CartemdecinsenFrance.jpg) On the left, amount of doctors per 10k habitants.
Oh, I didn't even need to talk about the unemployement who carry on despite being already very hight in the region or the conflicts and difficulties that inevitably appear when you have in such a shitty social situation 10 000 strangers who are in an even more diffucult situation.
There's also a known correlation between the regions with the highest unemployment rate (particularly those which were hit hard by deindustralization) and the far-right vote:
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/312190VoteFNeuropennes.jpg) FN vote for the 2014 european elections (57% abstention)
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/322200Tauxdechmagepardpartements.jpg) Unemployment rate. Dates back to 2012 but it would be globally similar with more recent data
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On September 19 2016 23:57 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2016 23:12 stilt wrote:On September 17 2016 19:59 a_flayer wrote:On September 17 2016 19:55 TheDwf wrote:On September 17 2016 10:04 Nyxisto wrote:
The quality and life of Europeans has never been higher than it is right now, well the great recession aside. We've never had more peace or prosperity on the continent. Must be why far-right parties are on the rise in so many countries; it's of course a sign of prosperity and shared joy in the EU haven. As the quality of life rises, so do the expectations of people. At least, personally, once we achieve world peace and eliminate scarcity and whatnot, I won't be satisfied until I find something new to complain about. The traditional rhetoric of thus who live in oppulence : "ppl are angry because they are jaleous" and "give them a hand, they eat the arm". The quality of life has considerably discreases in France where medical desert begins to appear. To give you an example because I bet you live in the rich district of a capital or you are brainwashed so you cannot realize. I live in a city next to Calais, you know, the town where there are a lot of migrants. And I want to have an appointement with my doctor, guess what? I need to wait for 1 month, even a bit more, and this is not about a minor shit.Why? Because 30 years ago there were 4 doc, now, he is the only one. Why? Because the exams do not allow enough candidates and being a generalist is not well paid, not wanted : The profession cost a lot for the state which have too many debts, you understand? To illustrate: + Show Spoiler +On the left, amount of doctors per 10k habitants. Show nested quote +Oh, I didn't even need to talk about the unemployement who carry on despite being already very hight in the region or the conflicts and difficulties that inevitably appear when you have in such a shitty social situation 10 000 strangers who are in an even more diffucult situation. There's also a known correlation between the regions with the highest unemployment rate (particularly those which were hit hard by deindustralization) and the far-right vote: + Show Spoiler +FN vote for the 2014 european elections (57% abstention) Unemployment rate. Dates back to 2012 but it would be globally similar with more recent data
Ok, this is not really on topic, but:
Why would anyone ever chose the colors for the employment map in such a way?
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On September 19 2016 23:57 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2016 23:12 stilt wrote:On September 17 2016 19:59 a_flayer wrote:On September 17 2016 19:55 TheDwf wrote:On September 17 2016 10:04 Nyxisto wrote:
The quality and life of Europeans has never been higher than it is right now, well the great recession aside. We've never had more peace or prosperity on the continent. Must be why far-right parties are on the rise in so many countries; it's of course a sign of prosperity and shared joy in the EU haven. As the quality of life rises, so do the expectations of people. At least, personally, once we achieve world peace and eliminate scarcity and whatnot, I won't be satisfied until I find something new to complain about. The traditional rhetoric of thus who live in oppulence : "ppl are angry because they are jaleous" and "give them a hand, they eat the arm". The quality of life has considerably discreases in France where medical desert begins to appear. To give you an example because I bet you live in the rich district of a capital or you are brainwashed so you cannot realize. I live in a city next to Calais, you know, the town where there are a lot of migrants. And I want to have an appointement with my doctor, guess what? I need to wait for 1 month, even a bit more, and this is not about a minor shit.Why? Because 30 years ago there were 4 doc, now, he is the only one. Why? Because the exams do not allow enough candidates and being a generalist is not well paid, not wanted : The profession cost a lot for the state which have too many debts, you understand? To illustrate: + Show Spoiler +On the left, amount of doctors per 10k habitants. Show nested quote +Oh, I didn't even need to talk about the unemployement who carry on despite being already very hight in the region or the conflicts and difficulties that inevitably appear when you have in such a shitty social situation 10 000 strangers who are in an even more diffucult situation. There's also a known correlation between the regions with the highest unemployment rate (particularly those which were hit hard by deindustralization) and the far-right vote: + Show Spoiler +FN vote for the 2014 european elections (57% abstention) Unemployment rate. Dates back to 2012 but it would be globally similar with more recent data
I'm not quite sure what you're illustrating with the doctors, but presumably Calais and surrounding is somewhere with a lot of white (as is generally the case of the NW coastal area) and not a lot of dark blue. However, that is not necessarily illustrating his point, because despite that, the general #doctors/population seems to have increased quite considerably since 1979, given the graph on the right, which means that even though there are now maybe less doctors near HIM, there are other (presumably rural) areas that do have a doctor, or there are way more doctors in hospitals in cities or something, but in general, there are more doctors. That there's a problem with distribution is not something to do with the lack of doctor education in general, but a poor policy in how to distribute them.
To take a lesson from Brazil, you need Cuban doctors, so you can send them to the ass end of nowhere, because Brazilian doctors didn't want to work there 
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^Well here we have Romanian doctors (and French doctors who studied in Romania, too), lol, not need to go to Cuba
@stilt : the terrible consequences of the numerus clausus have nothing to do with the EU or a dreamed up "technocratic bourgeoisie", though. The numerus clausus was something made up by stupid French (and very French, at that) rulemakers who thought that if you have less doctors, you'll have less healthcare spendings (well breaking news, it's the fact that there are ill people that create healthcare spendings, not the fact that there are doctors). If anything, the EU is allowing people to workaround that shit system thanks to the diplomas equivalence.
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On September 19 2016 18:02 SoSexy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2016 17:48 maartendq wrote:On September 17 2016 19:23 TheDwf wrote:On September 17 2016 08:28 Nyxisto wrote:
The European project is very popular among millennials, the age difference in voting was very striking regarding the brexit vote as well. Only if you look at the results in a superficial way. At first this seems right: But then you have to factor in abstention, so you get this: Where you can see that millenials are actually… the ones who voted the least for Bremain. If the European project was so popular among them, why didn't they bother to vote? Because like many other young people around the world, they were either studying for finals or at work. Elections or referenda held on weekdays will always favour those who've got all the time in the world, i.e. those in retirement or early retirement. Additionally, 55+ is by far the largest age group, so they very easily can skew policy decisions in (what they perceive to be) their favour. What a joke. Voting is usually open from 7 am to 11 pm or similar stuff. If you can't find time to vote, you just don't care. no excuses. I have to study for the finals so I can't find 20 minutes to go and vote for something that I believe to be crucial for my future? No, they just don't care.
BBC tells me it was open to 10pm, which is close enough. And I really doubt that anyone who wanted to vote was unable because they were busy; schools usually have helpful accommodation to help people vote and it's not hard to take an hour off work to go vote. Turnout was pretty high, at 72%. The better explanation is just that the overwhelming majority of the British youth isn't for or against the EU, but instead they are simply apathetic about the direction the country will take.
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On September 20 2016 00:35 Mafe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2016 23:57 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2016 23:12 stilt wrote:On September 17 2016 19:59 a_flayer wrote:On September 17 2016 19:55 TheDwf wrote:On September 17 2016 10:04 Nyxisto wrote:
The quality and life of Europeans has never been higher than it is right now, well the great recession aside. We've never had more peace or prosperity on the continent. Must be why far-right parties are on the rise in so many countries; it's of course a sign of prosperity and shared joy in the EU haven. As the quality of life rises, so do the expectations of people. At least, personally, once we achieve world peace and eliminate scarcity and whatnot, I won't be satisfied until I find something new to complain about. The traditional rhetoric of thus who live in oppulence : "ppl are angry because they are jaleous" and "give them a hand, they eat the arm". The quality of life has considerably discreases in France where medical desert begins to appear. To give you an example because I bet you live in the rich district of a capital or you are brainwashed so you cannot realize. I live in a city next to Calais, you know, the town where there are a lot of migrants. And I want to have an appointement with my doctor, guess what? I need to wait for 1 month, even a bit more, and this is not about a minor shit.Why? Because 30 years ago there were 4 doc, now, he is the only one. Why? Because the exams do not allow enough candidates and being a generalist is not well paid, not wanted : The profession cost a lot for the state which have too many debts, you understand? To illustrate: + Show Spoiler +On the left, amount of doctors per 10k habitants. Oh, I didn't even need to talk about the unemployement who carry on despite being already very hight in the region or the conflicts and difficulties that inevitably appear when you have in such a shitty social situation 10 000 strangers who are in an even more diffucult situation. There's also a known correlation between the regions with the highest unemployment rate (particularly those which were hit hard by deindustralization) and the far-right vote: + Show Spoiler +FN vote for the 2014 european elections (57% abstention) Unemployment rate. Dates back to 2012 but it would be globally similar with more recent data Ok, this is not really on topic, but: Why would anyone ever chose the colors for the employment map in such a way?
What's wrong? The darker the more.
On September 20 2016 00:55 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2016 23:57 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2016 23:12 stilt wrote:On September 17 2016 19:59 a_flayer wrote:On September 17 2016 19:55 TheDwf wrote:On September 17 2016 10:04 Nyxisto wrote:
The quality and life of Europeans has never been higher than it is right now, well the great recession aside. We've never had more peace or prosperity on the continent. Must be why far-right parties are on the rise in so many countries; it's of course a sign of prosperity and shared joy in the EU haven. As the quality of life rises, so do the expectations of people. At least, personally, once we achieve world peace and eliminate scarcity and whatnot, I won't be satisfied until I find something new to complain about. The traditional rhetoric of thus who live in oppulence : "ppl are angry because they are jaleous" and "give them a hand, they eat the arm". The quality of life has considerably discreases in France where medical desert begins to appear. To give you an example because I bet you live in the rich district of a capital or you are brainwashed so you cannot realize. I live in a city next to Calais, you know, the town where there are a lot of migrants. And I want to have an appointement with my doctor, guess what? I need to wait for 1 month, even a bit more, and this is not about a minor shit.Why? Because 30 years ago there were 4 doc, now, he is the only one. Why? Because the exams do not allow enough candidates and being a generalist is not well paid, not wanted : The profession cost a lot for the state which have too many debts, you understand? To illustrate: + Show Spoiler +On the left, amount of doctors per 10k habitants. Oh, I didn't even need to talk about the unemployement who carry on despite being already very hight in the region or the conflicts and difficulties that inevitably appear when you have in such a shitty social situation 10 000 strangers who are in an even more diffucult situation. There's also a known correlation between the regions with the highest unemployment rate (particularly those which were hit hard by deindustralization) and the far-right vote: + Show Spoiler +FN vote for the 2014 european elections (57% abstention) Unemployment rate. Dates back to 2012 but it would be globally similar with more recent data I'm not quite sure what you're illustrating with the doctors, but presumably Calais and surrounding is somewhere with a lot of white (as is generally the case of the NW coastal area) and not a lot of dark blue. However, that is not necessarily illustrating his point, because despite that, the general #doctors/population seems to have increased quite considerably since 1979, given the graph on the right, which means that even though there are now maybe less doctors near HIM, there are other (presumably rural) areas that do have a doctor, or there are way more doctors in hospitals in cities or something, but in general, there are more doctors. That there's a problem with distribution is not something to do with the lack of doctor education in general, but a poor policy in how to distribute them.
Oh, I didn't mean to show Calais, I just wanted to show the whole map of medical deserts (3 million people are concerned). Yeah, there's more doctors per habitants than before (although needs increased too with the aging population), but indeed the problem is distribution; doctors can freely settle wherever they want, so most of them dodge rural areas or any area which is perceived as unattractive/less profitable. As a result, old doctors don't find someone to replace them in said areas, and the desertification expands. Governing politicians refuse to take responsibility, so some people have to wait or travel quite far for rendezvous.
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On September 20 2016 02:15 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2016 18:02 SoSexy wrote:On September 18 2016 17:48 maartendq wrote:On September 17 2016 19:23 TheDwf wrote:On September 17 2016 08:28 Nyxisto wrote:
The European project is very popular among millennials, the age difference in voting was very striking regarding the brexit vote as well. Only if you look at the results in a superficial way. At first this seems right: But then you have to factor in abstention, so you get this: Where you can see that millenials are actually… the ones who voted the least for Bremain. If the European project was so popular among them, why didn't they bother to vote? Because like many other young people around the world, they were either studying for finals or at work. Elections or referenda held on weekdays will always favour those who've got all the time in the world, i.e. those in retirement or early retirement. Additionally, 55+ is by far the largest age group, so they very easily can skew policy decisions in (what they perceive to be) their favour. What a joke. Voting is usually open from 7 am to 11 pm or similar stuff. If you can't find time to vote, you just don't care. no excuses. I have to study for the finals so I can't find 20 minutes to go and vote for something that I believe to be crucial for my future? No, they just don't care. BBC tells me it was open to 10pm, which is close enough. And I really doubt that anyone who wanted to vote was unable because they were busy; schools usually have helpful accommodation to help people vote and it's not hard to take an hour off work to go vote. Turnout was pretty high, at 72%. The better explanation is just that the overwhelming majority of the British youth isn't for or against the EU, but instead they are simply apathetic about the direction the country will take.
The better explanation is that you're all talking about long debunked data from Sky that they never explained, youth turnout was 64%
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-brexit-turnout-young-voters-youth-vote-double-a7129181.html
+ Show Spoiler +
http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2016/06/24/brexit-demographic-divide-eu-referendum-results/
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Median age of the population in a region is a different statistic than the actual voting age of an individual. Which does your graph show?
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On September 20 2016 02:28 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 02:15 LegalLord wrote:On September 19 2016 18:02 SoSexy wrote:On September 18 2016 17:48 maartendq wrote:On September 17 2016 19:23 TheDwf wrote:On September 17 2016 08:28 Nyxisto wrote:
The European project is very popular among millennials, the age difference in voting was very striking regarding the brexit vote as well. Only if you look at the results in a superficial way. At first this seems right: But then you have to factor in abstention, so you get this: Where you can see that millenials are actually… the ones who voted the least for Bremain. If the European project was so popular among them, why didn't they bother to vote? Because like many other young people around the world, they were either studying for finals or at work. Elections or referenda held on weekdays will always favour those who've got all the time in the world, i.e. those in retirement or early retirement. Additionally, 55+ is by far the largest age group, so they very easily can skew policy decisions in (what they perceive to be) their favour. What a joke. Voting is usually open from 7 am to 11 pm or similar stuff. If you can't find time to vote, you just don't care. no excuses. I have to study for the finals so I can't find 20 minutes to go and vote for something that I believe to be crucial for my future? No, they just don't care. BBC tells me it was open to 10pm, which is close enough. And I really doubt that anyone who wanted to vote was unable because they were busy; schools usually have helpful accommodation to help people vote and it's not hard to take an hour off work to go vote. Turnout was pretty high, at 72%. The better explanation is just that the overwhelming majority of the British youth isn't for or against the EU, but instead they are simply apathetic about the direction the country will take. The better explanation is that you're all talking about long debunked data from Sky that they never explained, youth turnout was 64% http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-brexit-turnout-young-voters-youth-vote-double-a7129181.html+ Show Spoiler +http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2016/06/24/brexit-demographic-divide-eu-referendum-results/
Ah, OK. So indeed, the 18-24 years old did vote the most for Bremain whether abstention is factored in or not.
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It's voter turnout per median age, not for a specific region (that's what the circles are for). It shows the impossibilty of the Sky data which was literally lifted from the 2015 general election. I posted 2 links as a courtesy to save you the 10 seconds of googling that it would have taken to dispel that myth.
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On September 20 2016 02:27 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 00:35 Mafe wrote:On September 19 2016 23:57 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2016 23:12 stilt wrote:On September 17 2016 19:59 a_flayer wrote:On September 17 2016 19:55 TheDwf wrote:On September 17 2016 10:04 Nyxisto wrote:
The quality and life of Europeans has never been higher than it is right now, well the great recession aside. We've never had more peace or prosperity on the continent. Must be why far-right parties are on the rise in so many countries; it's of course a sign of prosperity and shared joy in the EU haven. As the quality of life rises, so do the expectations of people. At least, personally, once we achieve world peace and eliminate scarcity and whatnot, I won't be satisfied until I find something new to complain about. The traditional rhetoric of thus who live in oppulence : "ppl are angry because they are jaleous" and "give them a hand, they eat the arm". The quality of life has considerably discreases in France where medical desert begins to appear. To give you an example because I bet you live in the rich district of a capital or you are brainwashed so you cannot realize. I live in a city next to Calais, you know, the town where there are a lot of migrants. And I want to have an appointement with my doctor, guess what? I need to wait for 1 month, even a bit more, and this is not about a minor shit.Why? Because 30 years ago there were 4 doc, now, he is the only one. Why? Because the exams do not allow enough candidates and being a generalist is not well paid, not wanted : The profession cost a lot for the state which have too many debts, you understand? To illustrate: + Show Spoiler +On the left, amount of doctors per 10k habitants. Oh, I didn't even need to talk about the unemployement who carry on despite being already very hight in the region or the conflicts and difficulties that inevitably appear when you have in such a shitty social situation 10 000 strangers who are in an even more diffucult situation. There's also a known correlation between the regions with the highest unemployment rate (particularly those which were hit hard by deindustralization) and the far-right vote: + Show Spoiler +FN vote for the 2014 european elections (57% abstention) Unemployment rate. Dates back to 2012 but it would be globally similar with more recent data Ok, this is not really on topic, but: Why would anyone ever chose the colors for the employment map in such a way? What's wrong? The darker the more. Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 00:55 Acrofales wrote:On September 19 2016 23:57 TheDwf wrote:On September 19 2016 23:12 stilt wrote:On September 17 2016 19:59 a_flayer wrote:On September 17 2016 19:55 TheDwf wrote:On September 17 2016 10:04 Nyxisto wrote:
The quality and life of Europeans has never been higher than it is right now, well the great recession aside. We've never had more peace or prosperity on the continent. Must be why far-right parties are on the rise in so many countries; it's of course a sign of prosperity and shared joy in the EU haven. As the quality of life rises, so do the expectations of people. At least, personally, once we achieve world peace and eliminate scarcity and whatnot, I won't be satisfied until I find something new to complain about. The traditional rhetoric of thus who live in oppulence : "ppl are angry because they are jaleous" and "give them a hand, they eat the arm". The quality of life has considerably discreases in France where medical desert begins to appear. To give you an example because I bet you live in the rich district of a capital or you are brainwashed so you cannot realize. I live in a city next to Calais, you know, the town where there are a lot of migrants. And I want to have an appointement with my doctor, guess what? I need to wait for 1 month, even a bit more, and this is not about a minor shit.Why? Because 30 years ago there were 4 doc, now, he is the only one. Why? Because the exams do not allow enough candidates and being a generalist is not well paid, not wanted : The profession cost a lot for the state which have too many debts, you understand? To illustrate: + Show Spoiler +On the left, amount of doctors per 10k habitants. Oh, I didn't even need to talk about the unemployement who carry on despite being already very hight in the region or the conflicts and difficulties that inevitably appear when you have in such a shitty social situation 10 000 strangers who are in an even more diffucult situation. There's also a known correlation between the regions with the highest unemployment rate (particularly those which were hit hard by deindustralization) and the far-right vote: + Show Spoiler +FN vote for the 2014 european elections (57% abstention) Unemployment rate. Dates back to 2012 but it would be globally similar with more recent data I'm not quite sure what you're illustrating with the doctors, but presumably Calais and surrounding is somewhere with a lot of white (as is generally the case of the NW coastal area) and not a lot of dark blue. However, that is not necessarily illustrating his point, because despite that, the general #doctors/population seems to have increased quite considerably since 1979, given the graph on the right, which means that even though there are now maybe less doctors near HIM, there are other (presumably rural) areas that do have a doctor, or there are way more doctors in hospitals in cities or something, but in general, there are more doctors. That there's a problem with distribution is not something to do with the lack of doctor education in general, but a poor policy in how to distribute them. Oh, I didn't mean to show Calais, I just wanted to show the whole map of medical deserts (3 million people are concerned). Yeah, there's more doctors per habitants than before (although needs increased too with the aging population), but indeed the problem is distribution; doctors can freely settle wherever they want, so most of them dodge rural areas or any area which is perceived as unattractive/less profitable. As a result, old doctors don't find someone to replace them in said areas, and the desertification expands. Governing politicians refuse to take responsibility, so some people have to wait or travel quite far for rendezvous.
Yet the sole fact that doctors can mass up in some areas and still have a good enough income is the sign that there are too few doctors, not that they are badly distributed. Perhaps having a look at why exactly do younger doctors not want to practice in rural areas in the first place despite these being extremely profitable (because of a complete lack of competition) would be a good way to start, too.
And yes, needs are really increased because of old age, the chronicization of diseases, and the paradigm of identifying said diseases as early as possible.
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On September 20 2016 02:59 Dan HH wrote:
It's voter turnout per median age, not for a specific region (that's what the circles are for). It shows the impossibilty of the Sky data which was literally lifted from the 2015 general election. I posted 2 links as a courtesy to save you the 10 seconds of googling that it would have taken to dispel that myth.
The circles specifically mention cities. The title text for your graph specifically mentions cities. The line looks suspiciously like a fit on the cities. While I could certainly believe that the previous data was wrong (my response more so addressed the assertion that the youth wouldn't have a chance to vote), you haven't shown it to be the case with a graph that addresses a completely different statistic, an article that has conclusions based on that graph, and another article behind a paywall where the same criticism as mine is being raised in the comments section.
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On September 20 2016 03:07 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 02:59 Dan HH wrote:
It's voter turnout per median age, not for a specific region (that's what the circles are for). It shows the impossibilty of the Sky data which was literally lifted from the 2015 general election. I posted 2 links as a courtesy to save you the 10 seconds of googling that it would have taken to dispel that myth. The circles specifically mention cities. The title text for your graph specifically mentions cities. The line looks suspiciously like a fit on the cities. While I could certainly believe that the previous data was wrong (my response more so addressed the assertion that the youth wouldn't have a chance to vote), you haven't shown it to be the case with a graph that addresses a completely different statistic, an article that has conclusions based on that graph, and another article behind a paywall where the same criticism as mine is being raised in the comments section.
The confusion about that graph comes from the fact that it's pretty much reverse engineered. There were no actual exit polls for Brexit precisely because the uniqueness of this referendum prevented having a baseline.
What FT did there was to use turnout information from every place coupled with the median age from those places, and the diagonal is basically the (population weighted) median turnout in all the places with that median age with projections based on that at the beginning and the end of the line since obviously there isn't any area with a median age of 20 or 65. So while the result was reached in a convoluted way, the line is supposed to show the age/turnout in general rather than in specific places which as you see varies somwhat (like with the Glasgow example they gave).
While it might sound a litte suspect to use data that is one step removed form what you would ideally use, it's still much more useful than the previous Sky data which wasn't even an estimation but simply an expectation that youth turnout would have been the same as in general elections.
Later LSE found the same number for the 18-24 turnout (mentioned in the Independent article) which I'm not sure why you thought it was based on the graph, it's based on analyzing polling after Brexit.
While there's reservations to be had about both, I'm not sure how a made up number is preferable as is the case of what you guys were discussing before.
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That's interesting. Thanks for the sources I did not know that.
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Of course what would really be beneficial is if the government itself released statistics on actual voters so that this matter could be settled conclusively.
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On September 20 2016 04:21 LegalLord wrote:
Of course what would really be beneficial is if the government itself released statistics on actual voters so that this matter could be settled conclusively.
How? Voting is done anonymously so the government cant get better data then asking people on the street either.
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On September 20 2016 06:27 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 04:21 LegalLord wrote:
Of course what would really be beneficial is if the government itself released statistics on actual voters so that this matter could be settled conclusively. How? Voting is done anonymously so the government cant get better data then asking people on the street either.
By tracking these statistics and by structuring voting so that they can. Though I know that that comes with its own set of problems and that kind of classification / statistics tracking is unpopular in Europe.
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So, in one of those ridiculous events, Hollande was awarded the World Statesman Award of the Year by war criminal Kissinger. Apparently, Hollande even said that Kissinger is a “reference”. Any time you think you cannot fall lower, you are disappointed.
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EPT![[image loading]](http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/files/2016/06/brexit-turnout.png)
