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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3462324/French-special-forces-Libya.html French special forces have been deployed in Libya to fight the Islamic State group, France's Le Monde reported Wednesday -- triggering an official probe into a possible leak of classified information.
Le Monde said special forces and members of the DGSE external security service were present in Libya for "clandestine operations" against IS jihadists, thought to number several thousand in the chaos-scarred country.
It also claimed that an air strike in November that killed the top IS leader in the country, Abu Nabil, was "initiated by Paris"
French officials said it had launched a probe into the leak.
"The investigation should establish if details covered by defence secrecy rules were revealed in this article," said a source close to Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian.
"When secret operations are taking place, the goal is to ensure they are not revealed for the security of the men and the operations," said the source.
A violation of defence secrecy carries a penalty of up to three years in prison and a 45,000-euro ($50,000) fine.
France and other Western countries have agreed that military action is needed to dislodge IS in Libya, which has exploited the chaos caused by the overthrow of dictator Moamer Kadhafi in 2011.
But it wants a national unity government in place to request the assistance before making a formal intervention.. the strike was this http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35621426 Two Serbian nationals held hostage in Libya since November were among those killed in Friday's air strikes by US warplanes, the Serbian government says.
The jets targeted positions of the self-styled Islamic State group (IS) in the city of Sabratha.
The kidnapped Serbs, Sladjana Stankovic and Jovica Stepic, worked at the Serbian embassy in Libya.
Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic described their deaths as "terrible collateral damage".
Earlier, Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic told a news conference the Serbian authorities had been trying to negotiate their release but the kidnappers' financial demands had been "impossible" to meet.
Mr Davic said a protest note would be sent to Washington for failing to inform the Serbian authorities before the raid.
Libya's internationally recognised government, based in the east of the country, was also angered by the US raid.
It said in a statement on Saturday that the attack had not been co-ordinated with Libyan authorities and was "a clear and flagrant violation of sovereignty of the Libyan state".
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On February 25 2016 20:56 xM(Z wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3462324/French-special-forces-Libya.html Show nested quote +French special forces have been deployed in Libya to fight the Islamic State group, France's Le Monde reported Wednesday -- triggering an official probe into a possible leak of classified information.
Le Monde said special forces and members of the DGSE external security service were present in Libya for "clandestine operations" against IS jihadists, thought to number several thousand in the chaos-scarred country.
It also claimed that an air strike in November that killed the top IS leader in the country, Abu Nabil, was "initiated by Paris"
French officials said it had launched a probe into the leak.
"The investigation should establish if details covered by defence secrecy rules were revealed in this article," said a source close to Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian.
"When secret operations are taking place, the goal is to ensure they are not revealed for the security of the men and the operations," said the source.
A violation of defence secrecy carries a penalty of up to three years in prison and a 45,000-euro ($50,000) fine.
France and other Western countries have agreed that military action is needed to dislodge IS in Libya, which has exploited the chaos caused by the overthrow of dictator Moamer Kadhafi in 2011.
But it wants a national unity government in place to request the assistance before making a formal intervention.. the strike was this http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35621426 Show nested quote +Two Serbian nationals held hostage in Libya since November were among those killed in Friday's air strikes by US warplanes, the Serbian government says.
The jets targeted positions of the self-styled Islamic State group (IS) in the city of Sabratha.
The kidnapped Serbs, Sladjana Stankovic and Jovica Stepic, worked at the Serbian embassy in Libya.
Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic described their deaths as "terrible collateral damage".
Earlier, Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic told a news conference the Serbian authorities had been trying to negotiate their release but the kidnappers' financial demands had been "impossible" to meet.
Mr Davic said a protest note would be sent to Washington for failing to inform the Serbian authorities before the raid.
Libya's internationally recognised government, based in the east of the country, was also angered by the US raid.
It said in a statement on Saturday that the attack had not been co-ordinated with Libyan authorities and was "a clear and flagrant violation of sovereignty of the Libyan state".
Usually each french president wants to do one or two war, but damn Hollande has set the bar really high
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Like many European countries, Germany wants to send more asylum seekers back home. The German parliament passed several laws on Thursday that make it easier to deport migrants. The day before, Chancellor Angela Merkel's government sent a charter plane filled with Afghan migrants back to Kabul.
Many asylum seekers say they've gotten the message — and aren't waiting to be shown the door. They're going home voluntarily, rather than being forced back.
On a recent afternoon, Terminal C at the Berlin Tegel Airport is packed with people waiting to take the weekly Iraqi Airways flight back to Baghdad and Erbil. Most are Iraqi asylum seekers who've given up trying to make it in Germany.
Going home after four months are Duaa al-Buhaider and her two preschool-aged children. Her mother, Bushra al-Fahad, pats her shoulder. She says the reason her daughter and family are leaving is because of the delays in getting their case decided, as well as what they say is rude treatment by the very government workers who are supposed to help.
Fahad, who has been a refugee in Germany for the past six years, invited her daughter and grandkids to live in her two-room apartment so they wouldn't be stuck outdoors in a camp during the cold winter months. But her German landlord forbade it, saying he didn't want that many people in the small apartment.
Source
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On February 27 2016 11:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Like many European countries, Germany wants to send more asylum seekers back home. The German parliament passed several laws on Thursday that make it easier to deport migrants. The day before, Chancellor Angela Merkel's government sent a charter plane filled with Afghan migrants back to Kabul.
Many asylum seekers say they've gotten the message — and aren't waiting to be shown the door. They're going home voluntarily, rather than being forced back.
On a recent afternoon, Terminal C at the Berlin Tegel Airport is packed with people waiting to take the weekly Iraqi Airways flight back to Baghdad and Erbil. Most are Iraqi asylum seekers who've given up trying to make it in Germany.
Going home after four months are Duaa al-Buhaider and her two preschool-aged children. Her mother, Bushra al-Fahad, pats her shoulder. She says the reason her daughter and family are leaving is because of the delays in getting their case decided, as well as what they say is rude treatment by the very government workers who are supposed to help.
Fahad, who has been a refugee in Germany for the past six years, invited her daughter and grandkids to live in her two-room apartment so they wouldn't be stuck outdoors in a camp during the cold winter months. But her German landlord forbade it, saying he didn't want that many people in the small apartment. Source
Lets just fly back to the country were we came from and were so heavily persecuted that we fled across half the world and applied for asylum in Germany. Noone of them have any right to be in Germany given how they crossed multiple safe countries... Thankfully the balkan states and Austria are saving us from our harmful government.
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On February 27 2016 11:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Like many European countries, Germany wants to send more asylum seekers back home. The German parliament passed several laws on Thursday that make it easier to deport migrants. The day before, Chancellor Angela Merkel's government sent a charter plane filled with Afghan migrants back to Kabul.
Many asylum seekers say they've gotten the message — and aren't waiting to be shown the door. They're going home voluntarily, rather than being forced back.
On a recent afternoon, Terminal C at the Berlin Tegel Airport is packed with people waiting to take the weekly Iraqi Airways flight back to Baghdad and Erbil. Most are Iraqi asylum seekers who've given up trying to make it in Germany.
Going home after four months are Duaa al-Buhaider and her two preschool-aged children. Her mother, Bushra al-Fahad, pats her shoulder. She says the reason her daughter and family are leaving is because of the delays in getting their case decided, as well as what they say is rude treatment by the very government workers who are supposed to help.
Fahad, who has been a refugee in Germany for the past six years, invited her daughter and grandkids to live in her two-room apartment so they wouldn't be stuck outdoors in a camp during the cold winter months. But her German landlord forbade it, saying he didn't want that many people in the small apartment. Source
Uh uh! I can post news too!
Germany: Afghans follow and film teenage girls then summon mob of thirty to join in
In the "Sophienhof" shopping centre in Kiel at the railway station more than 20 men of immigrant origin massively harassed three girls aged 15, 16 and 17.
Early on Thursday evening between 5.30 pm and 7.30 pm the teenagers were initially filmed and then later followed by two men (19, 26) of Afghan origin.
The three girls had bought noodles at a Pizza stand and sat down to eat when when they were harassed by several men.
The men are said to be shared their recordings via social networks. Within a short time, the number of people following them increased more and more - in the end there were up to 30 men there!
According to the investigation currently, unlike on New Year's Eve in Cologne, no physical attacks took place.
... The police managed to provisionally arrest both of the main Afghan perpetrators and two other suspects - charges were filed!
In the shopping centre and on the way to the police station the arrested men defended themselves violently against the police. According to the police, there were massive insults, threats and physical assaults.
source: http://diversitymachtfrei.blogspot.de/2016/02/germany-afghans-follow-and-film-teenage.html
German news also reported that the three girls needed pychological care atferwards.The english source I just quoted does not include that.
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wow guys
remember when i said that merkels politics were dumb and unsustainable ?
Guess I was right 5months before anyone hehehe
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tfw you use a site called "diversitymachfrei" as your source.
Lets take a look how this site describes itself.
This is a blog chronicling the Genocide of the European peoples, the greatest crime in all of history.
ok
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When you try and discuss the issue of EU immigration in the UK
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On February 28 2016 04:23 Jockmcplop wrote:+ Show Spoiler +When you try and discuss the issue of EU immigration in the UK
The gap between UK and Eastern Europe makes that opinion somewhat understandable. I'm sure the answers to the second question would be much different if the poll was made before 2004.
On February 28 2016 04:08 Paljas wrote:tfw you use a site called "diversitymachfrei" as your source. Lets take a look how this site describes itself. Show nested quote +This is a blog chronicling the Genocide of the European peoples, the greatest crime in all of history. ok
Some time ago someone posted facebook group "disdain for plebs" as his source so it could be worse 
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It's just hilarious how people distrust the "mainstream media" and then procede to post a blog with a literal nazi slogan in the URL lol. We are truly living in the misinformation age.
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On February 28 2016 04:23 Jockmcplop wrote:When you try and discuss the issue of EU immigration in the UK
Do you have an official link to this survey? I checked comres.co.uk but couldn't find this survey on their website.
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@Nyxisto - well pat yourself on the back 'cause you made them go there.
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On February 28 2016 05:14 xM(Z wrote:
@Nyxisto - well pat yourself on the back 'cause you made them go there.
I force people to read fascist blogs? It's not at all my responsibility that people voluntarily go to weird echo chambers to get their opinion reaffirmed. We all receive at least secondary education on this continent , which should be enough to at least roughly figure out what a reliable source of information is and what isn't.
It's not about being informed anyway. People consciously go to these social media platforms to rile themselves up.
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On February 28 2016 05:37 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2016 05:14 xM(Z wrote:
@Nyxisto - well pat yourself on the back 'cause you made them go there. I force people to read fascist blogs? It's not at all my responsibility that people voluntarily go to weird echo chambers to get their opinion reaffirmed. We all receive at least secondary education on this continent , which should be enough to at least roughly figure out what a reliable source of information is and what isn't. It's not about being informed anyway. People consciously go to these social media platforms to rile themselves up.
nope, he didn't do it voluntarily; it is you who gave him no choice. it is you who told him it's your way or the highway and there he went.
you don't educate nor ban fear out of people you, you ... liberal.
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No one is banning fear out of people, but fact of the matter is that we are a liberal society, it says so in our constitution. This is the whole free-speech thing again. With very few limitations you can say what you like but no one is obligated to listen to you or respect you for your opinion or print very selective or outright conspiratory stuff in well respected news outlets. Journalists don't omit the ethnicity of criminals regularly because there is some cabal of super-liberal journalists at work, but because it is an established standard in our press and has been for decades and literally is in the public press code if crime and origin of the perpetrator aren't related and have no impact on the case. Nobody is being silenced.
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On February 28 2016 06:27 Nyxisto wrote:
No one is banning fear out of people, but fact of the matter is that we are a liberal society, it says so in our constitution. This is the whole free-speech thing again. With very few limitations you can say what you like but no one is obligated to listen to you or respect you for your opinion or print very selective or outright conspiratory stuff in well respected news outlets. Journalists don't omit the ethnicity of criminals regularly because there is some cabal of super-liberal journalists at work, but because it is an established standard in our press and has been for decades and literally is in the public press code if crime and origin of the perpetrator aren't related and have no impact on the case. Nobody is being silenced.
yep ..., now watch me running from random nazi site to random fascist site because you just failed me there.
why?, well no one cares how you define yourself, with what words, or what ideals you preach. people are led by example and the example you gave them was police incompetence, hidden truths on gov. orders, mass assaults, restricted liberties ...etcetcetc. you will never be able to balance their reality with your words 'cause people who lived it, will never believe your bullshit.
ps: have you ever thought of how much you fucked the syrians and the iraqis by not profiling, based on ethnicity, the afghan crime rates?. they(syrians and iraqis), should sue your liberalism for being blind as a fucking bat.
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On February 20 2016 20:34 Sent. wrote:
That UK-EU deal looks fine but I hope it won't start a "I wanna be a special snowflake too!" trend in Europe. It could be more dangerous than Brexit.
There was always a disagreement over the goals of the EU. It started as a way to try and stop Germany from attempting to take over the world every two decades. Then became a free trade area (which some Federalists viewed as a stepping stone and others viewed as the final form). There is now a conflict between the Federalist political project and those who were mostly interested in multinational cooperation in some areas (police, environmental issues that cross borders and so forth) and those who desire a United States of Europe.
The British stance is not "we want special treatment". It's "we never signed up for the United States of Europe, we're happy to cooperate when cooperation is needed but we're not giving up sovereignty". If other nations want to collectively go further towards unification they can but the UK will not be a passenger in that car. Those nations need to get their own vehicle to do it in because there are passengers in the EU who aren't going there. And if they insist on wresting control of the wheel and steering to a United States of Europe then the UK will be forced to get out, not because we don't want to cooperate but because the vehicle has been hijacked.
It's a debate as old as the European project. Everyone agrees that we should have something to stop Germany taking over the world. Most people agree that interEuropean cooperation in many areas is logical (fish stocks don't care about national borders so agreeing on fishing policies makes sense for example). Some people want a United States of Europe. Nobody is necessarily wrong or bad, it's a disagreement.
Furthermore the aggressive EU expansion has done little to assuage the concerns of the British. Economic unification with Germany, France, Italy and the Benelux countries seems rational. These are countries with a history like our own and an economy that will not dislocate our own with large scale economic migration or disruption. It's important to remember that Greece should never have been allowed in the EU or in the single currency, Greece never complied with the rules set but was grandfathered in by federalists who were far more concerned with the broader project of the EU than the specifics. The EU in its current form is not the EU that the UK signed up for. A two tier system seems reasonable. Those countries interested in a closer union can pursue that on their own without dragging the unwilling into it, exactly as they did with the Euro.
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On February 28 2016 04:58 Nyxisto wrote:
It's just hilarious how people distrust the "mainstream media" and then procede to post a blog with a literal nazi slogan in the URL lol. We are truly living in the misinformation age.
http://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/14626/3262329
here's the same news from a "serious" news platform. but i guess it's easier to get het up about the news portal instead of googling the information yourself.
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On February 28 2016 09:50 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2016 04:58 Nyxisto wrote:
It's just hilarious how people distrust the "mainstream media" and then procede to post a blog with a literal nazi slogan in the URL lol. We are truly living in the misinformation age. http://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/14626/3262329here's the same news from a "serious" news platform. but i guess it's easier to get het up about the news portal instead of googling the information yourself.
I didn't doubt that the event took place, the general tactic isn't to tell straight out lies, it's to bundle small highly emotional stories together to provoke an emotional response. Just look at the 'newsfeed' on that blog.
Sexual assault is a good example because 82% of victims know the perpetrator, 'stranger danger' has never been a thing.
https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-offenders
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On February 28 2016 08:47 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2016 20:34 Sent. wrote:
That UK-EU deal looks fine but I hope it won't start a "I wanna be a special snowflake too!" trend in Europe. It could be more dangerous than Brexit. There was always a disagreement over the goals of the EU. It started as a way to try and stop Germany from attempting to take over the world every two decades. Then became a free trade area (which some Federalists viewed as a stepping stone and others viewed as the final form). There is now a conflict between the Federalist political project and those who were mostly interested in multinational cooperation in some areas (police, environmental issues that cross borders and so forth) and those who desire a United States of Europe. The British stance is not "we want special treatment". It's "we never signed up for the United States of Europe, we're happy to cooperate when cooperation is needed but we're not giving up sovereignty". If other nations want to collectively go further towards unification they can but the UK will not be a passenger in that car. Those nations need to get their own vehicle to do it in because there are passengers in the EU who aren't going there. And if they insist on wresting control of the wheel and steering to a United States of Europe then the UK will be forced to get out, not because we don't want to cooperate but because the vehicle has been hijacked. It's a debate as old as the European project. Everyone agrees that we should have something to stop Germany taking over the world. Most people agree that interEuropean cooperation in many areas is logical (fish stocks don't care about national borders so agreeing on fishing policies makes sense for example). Some people want a United States of Europe. Nobody is necessarily wrong or bad, it's a disagreement. Furthermore the aggressive EU expansion has done little to assuage the concerns of the British. Economic unification with Germany, France, Italy and the Benelux countries seems rational. These are countries with a history like our own and an economy that will not dislocate our own with large scale economic migration or disruption. It's important to remember that Greece should never have been allowed in the EU or in the single currency, Greece never complied with the rules set but was grandfathered in by federalists who were far more concerned with the broader project of the EU than the specifics. The EU in its current form is not the EU that the UK signed up for. A two tier system seems reasonable. Those countries interested in a closer union can pursue that on their own without dragging the unwilling into it, exactly as they did with the Euro. Way to rewrite history there.
The EU has always been a multi-teared system where countries could opt-out / opt-in if they wanted.
So the EU in its current form is literally what the UK signed up for!
There has been very little movement towards any 'federalization'. (And even if it had, it is clear as day that the UK was never part of it, because it had opted-out.)
Also, it was the UK that pushed aggressively for EU expansion! They wanted a counterweight to Germany and France by giving smaller countries more seats at the table. Not the EU's fault, if they came to regret that decision now (for little objective reasons btw.).
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