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On February 19 2016 23:29 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2016 23:09 Sent. wrote:
What situation? I thought they just have to wait a bit just like everyone else had to after their accession. No. Their admission is on hold (as is Romania's). Two countries that are run by dubious governments and have rampant problems with widespread corruption, which was cited as the reason for this decision. Security of the eastern border might be a way for them to force their entry, but I doubt it'll work like that.
here, the legacy of communism was a country of thieves.
at every other term of office? we get prime ministers in jail and presidents under investigation; not to mention the dozens of deputes and senators with penal cases opened (we elect left ->right->left->right so they put each other in jail(respectively) when their term comes)).
people are trying but i can't say we're seeing the light as of yet.
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your trying and failing hard.
Your countries would be a bonanza for people with money to invest and build up businesses... yet, most that try go bankrupt or just leave asap again because they can't afford to constantly pay off all the bigger and smaller mafia cartels you have around.
You cut off heads, but the problem is running thru your whole body.
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On February 20 2016 05:44 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2016 05:29 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:On February 20 2016 04:46 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On February 20 2016 00:26 m4ini wrote:On February 19 2016 22:29 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:
Not ironic, but inevitable. The ironic thing about it is that in England, the spirit of empire still exists. Of course. The funny thing is, only there. All the rest of the "empire" wants to leave the UK sooner rather than later. Or keep the "UK", and get rid of england. Pretty much exactly the same situation as the UK (actually, england) vs the EU. Understandably so, i want to add. It's always funny when foreigners comment on matters they know nothing about. I am not a muslim. The mind boggles why you think your religion is relevant to this post...
How does he know I am a foreigner?
His post boggles the mind. Mine just went over yours.
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On February 20 2016 07:46 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2016 05:44 Acrofales wrote:On February 20 2016 05:29 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:On February 20 2016 04:46 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On February 20 2016 00:26 m4ini wrote:On February 19 2016 22:29 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:
Not ironic, but inevitable. The ironic thing about it is that in England, the spirit of empire still exists. Of course. The funny thing is, only there. All the rest of the "empire" wants to leave the UK sooner rather than later. Or keep the "UK", and get rid of england. Pretty much exactly the same situation as the UK (actually, england) vs the EU. Understandably so, i want to add. It's always funny when foreigners comment on matters they know nothing about. I am not a muslim. The mind boggles why you think your religion is relevant to this post... How does he know I am a foreigner? His post boggles the mind. Mine just went over yours.
I wonder if its because your country says US and his says UK. And your both talking about the UK.
Sometimes the simple truths just stare you in the face. But hey. go all muslim on his ass instead right.
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I am an academic. I don't live where I am a citizen. Should be obvious from my post history.
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On February 20 2016 07:37 Velr wrote:
your trying and failing hard.
Your countries would be a bonanza for people with money to invest and build up businesses... yet, most that try go bankrupt or just leave asap again because they can't afford to constantly pay off all the bigger and smaller mafia cartels you have around.
You cut off heads, but the problem is running thru your whole body.
you should be the last person to uselessly state the obvious here. when our prosecutors were asking swiss authorities access to our corrupted officials bank accounts, you were giving them the finger so yea, thx for your help.
also, who do you think buys a good amount of the shit we sell through corruption?; yea, it's the western firms/associations.
so if you're part of the problem just shut it.
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The UK Prime Minister says the deal he worked up with EU grants the UK 'special status'.
Opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn, who will campaign for the UK stay in the EU, says it is just a choreographed dance of sorts.
UKIP (who created this mess to begin with) say the deal is a joke and we must leave the EU.
None of this has anything to do with 'the spirit of the empire'. Its just a bunch of politicians panicking because UKIP were really popular for about 2 years. Cameron wants to be seen to be attempting a power grab to settle down the UKIP voters, , many of whom have now switched to Labour, as well as those euroskeptics within his own party.
Its just another pointless political mess really with international consequences. Frankly, what eastern European countries want out of this is probably irrelevant to Cameron, compared to what the people back home think of this deal.
So 'spirit of the empire'?
LOL what a ridiculous misreading of the situation. The only time i see the spirit of the empire in the UK is amongst a very select group of politicians that everyone else hates.
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That UK-EU deal looks fine but I hope it won't start a "I wanna be a special snowflake too!" trend in Europe. It could be more dangerous than Brexit.
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Greece's EU lenders have been working on a plan to offer the country gradual debt relief on condition that it adopts additional reforms by 2022, the Agora weekly newspaper reported on Saturday.
They would initially allow lower interest rates and longer maturities on Greece's 316-billion-euro ($352 billion) debt, the paper said. At a later stage, there would be talks on linking debt payments to economic growth provided Athens implemented measures to be agreed with creditors by 2022, it added.
The plan has been discussed among officials from the European Commission, the euro zone's rescue fund, the European Central Bank, and the larger euro zone nations, the paper said.
The lenders have publicly spoken about granting debt relief on condition reforms are completed.
But on Thursday, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, chairman of the euro zone finance ministers group, said they were concerned with the quality of the reforms Greece had promised in return for its bailout, and that the government needed to implement pension reform and other agreed-upon fiscal changes.
Negotiations between the heads of the EU/IMF mission reviewing the country's progress on a pensions overhaul, fiscal targets and the handling of bad loans, took a break earlier this month.
Greece hopes the lenders will return soon to sign off on the first assessment of its reforms, opening the way for the debt relief talks it is seeking to show austerity-weary Greeks their sacrifices are paying off.
Speaking after an EU summit that on Friday agreed a deal to help keep Britain in the bloc and tackle the region's migration crisis, Greece's Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras said all EU partners agreed the review needed to conclude as soon as possible.
In an interview with another Greek newspaper, Economy Minister George Stathakis said the review could be wrapped up by the end of March.
"The target for the Catholic Easter (March 27) is absolutely realistic," he was quoted as saying in weekly Ependysi. "I believe that there will be a deal."
In a gambit to get EU countries to refrain from unilaterally imposing restrictions on travel within the free-movement Schengen zone, Greece threatened on Friday not to sign off on the EU's deal with Britain unless it won assurances that member states would not shut their borders.
The vast majority of migrants fleeing war and poverty in the Middle East and beyond enter the EU by sea through Greece, and Athens is fearful that closing borders will leave thousands stranded inside its borders.
www.reuters.com
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the foreign policy of UK has always been to divide the continental europe
2016 and it still works really well
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The whole deal with the UK is absurd, and if it gets real it'll mark the beginning of the death of the EU. UK should stay and shut up, or be allowed to get out for once.
On February 21 2016 01:42 Makro wrote:
the foreign policy of UK has always been to divide the continental europe
2016 and it still works really well
Yeah, I guess De Gaule was right when he didn't want the UK as part of the EU.
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On February 21 2016 01:52 OtherWorld wrote:The whole deal with the UK is absurd, and if it gets real it'll mark the beginning of the death of the EU. UK should stay and shut up, or be allowed to get out for once. Show nested quote +On February 21 2016 01:42 Makro wrote:
the foreign policy of UK has always been to divide the continental europe
2016 and it still works really well Yeah, I guess De Gaule was right when he didn't want the UK as part of the EU.
you can publicly says (like cameron just did) that you don't like brussels, that you don't want to be part of any project of the european union, and still the EU's technocrat are here with the red carpet
i can clearly see the creator of south park doing a great thing with it
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On February 21 2016 01:52 OtherWorld wrote:The whole deal with the UK is absurd, and if it gets real it'll mark the beginning of the death of the EU. UK should stay and shut up, or be allowed to get out for once. Show nested quote +On February 21 2016 01:42 Makro wrote:
the foreign policy of UK has always been to divide the continental europe
2016 and it still works really well Yeah, I guess De Gaule was right when he didn't want the UK as part of the EU.
Honestly, looking over the deal, the Brits don't seem to have gotten anything out of it at all. The 55% thingy is already sort of in place (I believe it's about population size rather than number of parliaments, and 60% or so, but there is already a rule for countries rejecting a piece of legislation after the parliament approved). The bit about fiscal policy seems completely unenforceable and a bit of yadda yadda yadda thrown in for the sake of appeasing the British about the Euro vs. Non-Euro fiscal policy (and presumably can be toted out if (when) another Greece bailout is necessary). And their other talking point about social security sounds like a normal piece of EU legislation that they could just have passed through the EC/parliament in the normal way such legislation is made; they just got it fast-tracked with their fancy Brexit meeting.
All told, they didn't really get anything out of it that makes much of a difference; it's just Cameron's face-saving policy. But I do agree that the politics around it are troubling: if anybody can threaten with a referendum to renegotiate the specifics of what EU membership means, it´ll be a real mess really quickly.
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It's the problem of the commission and its unanimous voting system. The parliament needs the power to push through binding stuff with majority voting
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On February 20 2016 20:34 Sent. wrote:
That UK-EU deal looks fine but I hope it won't start a "I wanna be a special snowflake too!" trend in Europe. It could be more dangerous than Brexit.
The UK historically has a unique identity from continental European countries so I wouldn't worry about countries like Italy or Romania trying to exert some influence lol.
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The 'special snowflake' thing isn't new. UK has done it in the past and countries like the Netherlands, Finland, Denmark have also claimed special treatment using the UK and Thatcher as an example. Of course France and Germany, big as they are, don't never had to claim special treatment. They just do what they want, EU or no EU. They think they are the EU.
This will start a new wave.
When we shot billions out of the Greek economy, just out of spite, the spirit that could hold the EU together in the years to come left us. It has been spiraling downward ever since. The refugee crisis has only worsened it as it shows the EU doesn't do what it is supposed to be good at; solve problems that we can only solve all together. Instead, countries play against each other, hoping to avoid taking up refugees and blaming Greece and Turkey for all the problems.
Schengen will be gone in a few weeks/months, resulting in millions of costs for transporting goods across borders.
Cameron may have saved Merkel from the legacy of going down into the history books as the destroyer of the EU.
Only difference is, he will do so proudly rather than in shame.
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On February 20 2016 07:37 Velr wrote:
your trying and failing hard.
Your countries would be a bonanza for people with money to invest and build up businesses... yet, most that try go bankrupt or just leave asap again because they can't afford to constantly pay off all the bigger and smaller mafia cartels you have around.
You cut off heads, but the problem is running thru your whole body.
That's a really severe way to talk about a whole country.
Talking of thieves and mafia cartels, I had fun reading about UBS today. Since the whole economy of your country has been built on fiscal cheats from neighbour countries and bank secrecy, you might want to be a bit less condescending with citizens of countries facing corruption problems (although it looks like Swiss banks rob exclusively foreign nations, which is at least more efficient when keeping a clean facade is a national obsession).
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So there are a bunch of friends hanging out at a bar. They haven't always been on the best of terms; there's been drama, and some heartbreak. But it's been pretty good for a while, so all that's a little under the surface.
But then they start getting drunk. The leader of the group stays mostly sober (she had a bad drug habit back in the day), but she was never really the brightest bulb in the box. They start wasting money, trying to hit on chicks who are obviously bad news (like the girl from the gas company who likes making them cold just to get a power trip), and generally proceed to fuck things up.
This leaves one friend in a weird situation. He was never super close to this group of friends, but came out because they all live on his block. He's a basically good guy and doesn't want to abandon the others (they're in a bad place without someone with a brain looking out for them), but they're just kinda embarrassing themselves, and he's really starting to consider getting the fuck out of this mess and going home to hang out with his large family, who have their problems (particularly the one fighting the assault charges) but at least they're family.
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On February 21 2016 09:42 Yoav wrote:
So there are a bunch of friends hanging out at a bar. They haven't always been on the best of terms; there's been drama, and some heartbreak. But it's been pretty good for a while, so all that's a little under the surface.
But then they start getting drunk. The leader of the group stays mostly sober (she had a bad drug habit back in the day), but she was never really the brightest bulb in the box. They start wasting money, trying to hit on chicks who are obviously bad news (like the girl from the gas company who likes making them cold just to get a power trip), and generally proceed to fuck things up.
This leaves one friend in a weird situation. He was never super close to this group of friends, but came out because they all live on his block. He's a basically good guy and doesn't want to abandon the others (they're in a bad place without someone with a brain looking out for them), but they're just kinda embarrassing themselves, and he's really starting to consider getting the fuck out of this mess and going home to hang out with his large family, who have their problems (particularly the one fighting the assault charges) but at least they're family.
You mean that guy, who calls himself "friend", yet pays less than he was ought to, who wants special treatment for "reasons" and have a say at a project, he´s no part of?
Yeah, what a guy ... Considering the fact, that he sees himself as the only one with a brain and thinks he acts only out of the goodness of his heart while demanding special bonbons at the same time makes me wonder, if this guy really has the correct picture.
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On February 21 2016 08:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2016 07:37 Velr wrote:
your trying and failing hard.
Your countries would be a bonanza for people with money to invest and build up businesses... yet, most that try go bankrupt or just leave asap again because they can't afford to constantly pay off all the bigger and smaller mafia cartels you have around.
You cut off heads, but the problem is running thru your whole body. That's a really severe way to talk about a whole country. Talking of thieves and mafia cartels, I had fun reading about UBS today. Since the whole economy of your country has been built on fiscal cheats from neighbour countries and bank secrecy, you might want to be a bit less condescending with citizens of countries facing corruption problems (although it looks like Swiss banks rob exclusively foreign nations, which is at least more efficient when keeping a clean facade is a national obsession).
They make watches too.
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