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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6274 Posts
On February 29 2016 03:59 Velr wrote: So Switzerland voted today and for once we don't look like right wing rednecks  :The topics: Durchsetzungsinitiative - Would make the, succesfull, "Auschaffungsinitiative" even harsher and basically implement an automatic 2 strike rule even on minor crimes. You break into a Garden and steal a Bike - thats 2 Crimes? You now have to leave Switzerland, no matter if you've grown up here or not, if your not a citizen you would have to ne deported. Even traffic violations and stuff like this would have been taken into account for 10 years... Luckily this got smashed with 59% no. "Second Gotthard CAR-Tunnel" Well, the one we got has to go under maintenance sooner or later and this was/is the obvious solution to not basically cut off a canton for the duration. Yet left/green parties naturally ran amok against it. 57% Yes, so drill baby drill ."Against the marriage tax-penalty" Married couples tend to get taxed higher on country level due to the progressive tax model (cantons/communes generally removed this allready) but the initiators made a gaff/error/dirty trick/whatever and this would also write marriage to be between Man and Woman into the constitution. 50.5% No. "Against trading/speculating with food" Would have basically ended food speculation. Well, everyone knew this wouldn't get thru but it actually got not smashed THAT hard (i voted yes, exactly for that reason) but it actually won 2 cantons, which is kinda surprising. 60% No. Voter participation was 62%, which is very high for Switzerland. Can you explain the last one a bit more? What is food speculation supposed to be and how will they end it? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10886 Posts
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/february-28-vote_food-speculation-vote-boils-down-to-solidarity-vs-jobs/41984482 the backers of the initiative wanted to curb dramatic price rises on foodstuffs by restricting financial institutions from speculating on food and agricultural commodities. Was proposed by the young socialist party (the "normal" socialist party is the second biggest party in switzerland) and their initiatives are nearly allways pretty all or nothing :p | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 29 2016 06:24 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: Very suprised by the Kadyrov resignation. I wonder if it is some kind of political ruse or if he genueinly wants more time for his family and islamic studies. This isn't the first time he's offered to step down. Not much about this issue in Russian news but reading between the lines, I'd say he's falling out of political favor. His successor is to be chosen by election. http://ria.ru/politics/20160227/1381183464.html | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On February 29 2016 04:00 MrCon wrote: You have no idea what you are talking about. You are just interpolating your personal thoughts onto a situation. The referendum has nothing to do with the refugee crisis. Your entire analysis on the referendum rests upon UK being in the Schengen Area. UK is not part of the Schengen Area. An asylum seeker has no right of free movement into UK from the other EU countries.No I understand this really well actually. I'm sure this poll would have the same result in any other UE country. Freedom of movement within EU wouldn't be a problem if EU borders were safe. They're not, so anyone who enters EU has right of free movement, which in light of the refugee crisis is a big problem, as in 2 to 4 years, every refugees will obtain the right of free movement. The man who was shot assaulting a french police station was a refugee using his right of free movement. He had deposited asylum demands in nearly every single EU country, under different names, and had multiple passports and identities, and multiple social benefits from multiple countries. This explains well why EU citizens want to have free movement, but they don't want others to have free movement. This is a paradox yes, but it's easily understandable. It's too easy to abuse and UK wants out because the system isn't working as intended. Schengen is dead already, each country now enforces its own borders. Basically the system is working worse than when every single country was doing its own thing. | ||
KwarK
United States43991 Posts
On February 29 2016 08:51 Dangermousecatdog wrote: You have no idea what you are talking about. You are just interpolating your personal thoughts onto a situation. The referendum has nothing to do with the refugee crisis. Your entire analysis on the referendum rests upon UK being in the Schengen Area. UK is not part of the Schengen Area. An asylum seeker has no right of free movement into UK from the other EU countries. I think the Brits are fine with Germans, French, Italians and Benelux citizens living and working in the UK because they are confident that they share values and so forth with them. They're "our sort of people" if that makes sense. We'd probably include Canadians, Australians, Kiwis and maybe even Americans in that group too. But the further you get into Eastern Europe the further you get from "our sort of people". I don't see the hypocrisy, the underlying assumption is that British people are just more desirable than those of the expanded EU. That the British could tolerate a German working in the UK well enough and presumably the Germans could put up with one of our own because it's a roughly even trade but while Romania should feel lucky to have one of ours we would not feel like we got the good end of the trade when a Romanian landed on our shores. There isn't a contradiction or hypocrisy. Simply identifying that Brits want one rule for them (and people like them) and another rule for everyone else doesn't require a contradiction, it just means that Brits think that they are two distinct groups which have different merits. All of these are generalizations of course. I cannot speak for all British people and even those who believe that Eastern Europeans are generally undesirable will allow that there are a great many who are not. But I think one would be foolish to assume that no cultural differences exist. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9849 Posts
On February 29 2016 09:29 KwarK wrote: I think the Brits are fine with Germans, French, Italians and Benelux citizens living and working in the UK because they are confident that they share values and so forth with them. They're "our sort of people" if that makes sense. We'd probably include Canadians, Australians, Kiwis and maybe even Americans in that group too. But the further you get into Eastern Europe the further you get from "our sort of people". I don't see the hypocrisy, the underlying assumption is that British people are just more desirable than those of the expanded EU. That the British could tolerate a German working in the UK well enough and presumably the Germans could put up with one of our own because it's a roughly even trade but while Romania should feel lucky to have one of ours we would not feel like we got the good end of the trade when a Romanian landed on our shores. There isn't a contradiction or hypocrisy. Simply identifying that Brits want one rule for them (and people like them) and another rule for everyone else doesn't require a contradiction, it just means that Brits think that they are two distinct groups which have different merits. All of these are generalizations of course. I cannot speak for all British people and even those who believe that Eastern Europeans are generally undesirable will allow that there are a great many who are not. But I think one would be foolish to assume that no cultural differences exist. Not a contradiction or hypocrisy necessarily but certainly an arrogance. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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KwarK
United States43991 Posts
Since being in America I've had to explain to Americans numerous times why the British don't just constantly take advantage of the "free" healthcare. Cultural context matters. That's not to say Britain doesn't have its fair share of fuckwits who should know better, along with those like Jeremy Hunt who absolutely do know better and are double fuckwits for it, but growing up in Britain helps understand things like this. | ||
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KwarK
United States43991 Posts
On February 29 2016 09:43 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Sorry Kwark but you must have quoted the wrong person. I never mentioned anything about hypocrisy or contradiction. I only mentioned that his entire analysis is wrong based upon the fact that UK is not part of the Schengen Area. That is all. I was responding to the initial table, not to anything you specifically added. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6274 Posts
On February 29 2016 06:50 Velr wrote: Doesn't need much explanation because well: http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/february-28-vote_food-speculation-vote-boils-down-to-solidarity-vs-jobs/41984482 Was proposed by the young socialist party (the "normal" socialist party is the second biggest party in switzerland) and their initiatives are nearly allways pretty all or nothing :p Thanks. Laws like that never work. I remember that they'd sometimes try to restrict speculating on stocks which went down too fast. Traders would find a way around it in a matter of minutes. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 29 2016 16:25 RvB wrote: Thanks. Laws like that never work. I remember that they'd sometimes try to restrict speculating on stocks which went down too fast. Traders would find a way around it in a matter of minutes. Not to mention, much like in other securities, these are based on a real, needed, practice wherein farmers and downstream buyers hedge against drought or overproduction of a foodstuff. It would not affect the price of goods in your country downwards in any likely scenario, but may cause significant financial hardships for agriculture if there is a glut of whatever they produce, or on retailers (and consumers) if there is a drought/ blight that reduces supply. And all that is without me even knowing whether the referendum banned certain forms of crop insurance, which it probably did. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10886 Posts
You didn't read the link i posted, did you? | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6274 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
On February 29 2016 09:29 KwarK wrote: I think the Brits are fine with Germans, French, Italians and Benelux citizens living and working in the UK because they are confident that they share values and so forth with them. They're "our sort of people" if that makes sense. We'd probably include Canadians, Australians, Kiwis and maybe even Americans in that group too. But the further you get into Eastern Europe the further you get from "our sort of people". I don't see the hypocrisy, the underlying assumption is that British people are just more desirable than those of the expanded EU. That the British could tolerate a German working in the UK well enough and presumably the Germans could put up with one of our own because it's a roughly even trade but while Romania should feel lucky to have one of ours we would not feel like we got the good end of the trade when a Romanian landed on our shores. There isn't a contradiction or hypocrisy. Simply identifying that Brits want one rule for them (and people like them) and another rule for everyone else doesn't require a contradiction, it just means that Brits think that they are two distinct groups which have different merits. All of these are generalizations of course. I cannot speak for all British people and even those who believe that Eastern Europeans are generally undesirable will allow that there are a great many who are not. But I think one would be foolish to assume that no cultural differences exist. well, many romanians would agree with that(those who wouldn't, are already in UK stealing) but there is a catch here. from our perspective, that uneven, undesirable human resource trade, needs to also be encompassed by the business aspect of said trade. meaning, you don't reject the people but then come with your foreign capital and buy our national resources. if you don't get the people but get the oil, the gas, the forests, the gold and so on, people will go to you and steal them back(figuratively); like a tit for tat kind of thing. give us loans and let us be; if we fail payments you sue and then bitch slap us with embargoes. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10886 Posts
On February 29 2016 18:50 RvB wrote: Securities can insure against both upward and downward pressure on princes. It's to decrease volatility. I.E. when prices are lower this year you don't have to instantly cut production drastically which would only cause a shortage and high prices in the next year. Yes? Still that Isn't what it was about. Obviusly it plays into it because Banks/traders exploit this too but that was hardly the point of it. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Macedonian police have fired teargas as a group of refugees broke through a fence at the small frontier town of Idomeni on the Greek-Macedonian border. A crush developed when rumours spread that Macedonian authorities were opening the border after it had been fully sealed for several hours. Hundreds who gathered at the razor-wire fence used metal poles to bring down a gate by digging beneath the barrier and pushing it up and out. At least two people collapsed in the crush and use of teargas, Reuters television images showed. Up to 500 people pushed their way past Greek police to reach the gate used to let trains through at the border crossing. A Reuters witness said Macedonian police fired several rounds of teargas into crowds, who were chanting “Open the border!” and throwing stones at the police. About 6,500 people – mostly Syrian and Iraqi – are stuck on the Greek side of the border. Some have been there for up to eight days with little food or shelter as Macedonia accepts only a trickle of people each day. The desperate scenes came as Angela Merkel warned that European countries cannot afford to let the continent’s refugee crisis plunge Greece into chaos by shutting their borders to migrants. With up to 70,000 refugees expected to become stranded on Greece’s northern borders in the coming days, the German chancellor said the recently bailed-out Athens government could become paralysed by the huge numbers of arrivals from Syria, Afghanistan and conflict-ridden African countries. “Do you seriously believe that all the euro states that last year fought all the way to keep Greece in the eurozone – and we were the strictest – can one year later allow Greece to, in a way, plunge into chaos?” Merkel said in an interview with the public broadcaster ARD. Greece fears that it will become a “parking lot” for refugees as its northern neighbours tightly restrict the number of people coming into their territory. About 22,000 people are in Greece seeking to travel to countries in northern Europe. Source | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On February 29 2016 09:55 KwarK wrote: I was responding to the initial table, not to anything you specifically added. Then quote the right person. Otherwise it just makes you look like you are creating an argument out of thin air. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22374 Posts
If only the EU leaders had come up with a viable solution rather then sit on their hands and forcing individual countries to solve the issue by locking down borders. | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On February 28 2016 20:47 Elizar wrote: You´re from Germany. So I assume you can read german. I also assume you knwow what google is. But let me help you: http://www.n-tv.de/der_tag/Afghanen-belaestigen-Maedchen-in-Kiel-article17092731.html http://www.welt.de/regionales/hamburg/article152684700/Dutzende-Maenner-bedraengen-Maedchen-beim-Shopping.html http://www.stern.de/panorama/stern-crime/kiel--30-maenner-belaestigen-drei-maedchen-im-einkaufszentrum-6719706.html http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/kiel-maennergruppe-belaestigt-junge-maedchen-in-einkaufszentrum-a-1079522.html Make your pick. Im sure you´ll find a newspaper to your liking. There a lot of other sources as well. I picked the first english link to that story. Thats it. So your respone itself feels odd to me, like you want to put me somewhere. The only thing I comes to my mind why thats so important to you might be: You don´t like the messanger (the source) so the information must be wrong. Too bad there are more news sites. i never doubed the information. posting fascist blogs as a source is just awful, dont know why we even have this debate. The reason why this is important to me is cause i dont like fascists blogs as a news source, simple as that. | ||
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