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On February 01 2016 12:27 Esk23 wrote: Just curious, are these the kinds of Muslim immigrants Europeans want to bring into their countries? I'm just curious if Europeans are either naive and brainwashed or if they want to commit cultural and ethnic suicide.
Here's the video:
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And yet they all speak german with the beautiful accent we all know of...
I'd slap the girl talking about the pork by the way. I'm so tired of all that bullshit. My grandfather and grandmother from my father side were muslims, they used to roam half the day in Algeria just to buy pork to my sister, and they were born in 1930 ! It's 2015 for fuck sake. And there's this teacher that don't say shit about it and keep quiet ....
On February 01 2016 12:27 Esk23 wrote: Just curious, are these the kinds of Muslim immigrants Europeans want to bring into their countries? I'm just curious if Europeans are either naive and brainwashed or if they want to commit cultural and ethnic suicide.
Probably because he generalized a population group based on their origin and the actions of few individuals, which is something also known as racism.
Every population group contains morons, but pointing at one of those morons and saying "Everyone of them is like that" is... not something you should do.
Disclaimer: I haven't actually watched the video, I'm only judging by his text above the video.
meh, i dont like that "you shall not generalize" bullshit in discussions because it doesnt lead to working solutions. the best thing is that generalizations are ok as long as you dont generalize the "wrong" people. saying that poor people are more criminal than rich people is something everyone will agree with and especially for germany its absolutely ok to say bavarians are conservative religious nutjobs or east germans are nazis. no one is getting on the fence if you say that but if you say that arabs have a problem with antisemitism, emancipation and criminality some not so smart people call you a racist, nazi and everything that comes to their mind. its important to understand that you can make general statements about a group of something, but that statement doesnt necessarily is true for every single item of that group. its important to still make those statements to have something to work with. simple example: clothing manufacturers have to factor in the different heights of people in different parts of the world. chinese are smaller than europeans and they work with that fact, that there are also large people in china and the largest man in the world is chinese doesnt change anything.
it does not hold any value to close every sentence with "but not everyone is like that!", it is not helping if you want a solution.
My God...shit like this makes me go crazy. I can only imagine what that grandfather felt after a lifetime of paying taxes for his own country...
I hope something good will happen soon...some people are starting to open their eyes, even if the regressive left (to use a term by Maajid Nawaz) is doing everything in its power to fuck its own citizens. Really, really looking forward to that day
Nah, im pretty sure Germans just need to treat em nice and they will manage. Like, how hard it is to change behavior of people rised in culture in which females are treated like shit.
On February 01 2016 12:27 Esk23 wrote: Just curious, are these the kinds of Muslim immigrants Europeans want to bring into their countries? I'm just curious if Europeans are either naive and brainwashed or if they want to commit cultural and ethnic suicide.
Probably because he generalized a population group based on their origin and the actions of few individuals, which is something also known as racism.
Every population group contains morons, but pointing at one of those morons and saying "Everyone of them is like that" is... not something you should do.
Disclaimer: I haven't actually watched the video, I'm only judging by his text above the video.
meh, i dont like that "you shall not generalize" bullshit in discussions because it doesnt lead to working solutions. the best thing is that generalizations are ok as long as you dont generalize the "wrong" people. saying that poor people are more criminal than rich people is something everyone will agree with and especially for germany its absolutely ok to say bavarians are conservative religious nutjobs or east germans are nazis. no one is getting on the fence if you say that but if you say that arabs have a problem with antisemitism, emancipation and criminality some not so smart people call you a racist, nazi and everything that comes to their mind. its important to understand that you can make general statements about a group of something, but that statement doesnt necessarily is true for every single item of that group. its important to still make those statements to have something to work with. simple example: clothing manufacturers have to factor in the different heights of people in different parts of the world. chinese are smaller than europeans and they work with that fact, that there are also large people in china and the largest man in the world is chinese doesnt change anything.
it does not hold any value to close every sentence with "but not everyone is like that!", it is not helping if you want a solution.
It is still stupid to do so. I was born in Bavaria and most of my schoolfriends are neither above-average conservative, religious or nutjobs. So yes, I´m "getting on the fence". Insult yourself, if you have to, but not me with these baseless assuptions of yours.
The problem with your speech is you label all of them. You leave me in a situation that I somehow have to prove that I´m neither religious, conservative or whatever. Thats not how it should be. The only thing you achieved is giving yourself a label. And that is not a good one.
the problem is probably that handycam videos from an account named "face of a dying nation" belong to stormfront rather than teamliquid, but given the tone of this thread at this point it's not so easy to keep them apart anymore.
On February 01 2016 12:27 Esk23 wrote: Just curious, are these the kinds of Muslim immigrants Europeans want to bring into their countries? I'm just curious if Europeans are either naive and brainwashed or if they want to commit cultural and ethnic suicide.
Probably because he generalized a population group based on their origin and the actions of few individuals, which is something also known as racism.
Every population group contains morons, but pointing at one of those morons and saying "Everyone of them is like that" is... not something you should do.
Disclaimer: I haven't actually watched the video, I'm only judging by his text above the video.
meh, i dont like that "you shall not generalize" bullshit in discussions because it doesnt lead to working solutions. the best thing is that generalizations are ok as long as you dont generalize the "wrong" people. saying that poor people are more criminal than rich people is something everyone will agree with and especially for germany its absolutely ok to say bavarians are conservative religious nutjobs or east germans are nazis. no one is getting on the fence if you say that but if you say that arabs have a problem with antisemitism, emancipation and criminality some not so smart people call you a racist, nazi and everything that comes to their mind. its important to understand that you can make general statements about a group of something, but that statement doesnt necessarily is true for every single item of that group. its important to still make those statements to have something to work with. simple example: clothing manufacturers have to factor in the different heights of people in different parts of the world. chinese are smaller than europeans and they work with that fact, that there are also large people in china and the largest man in the world is chinese doesnt change anything.
it does not hold any value to close every sentence with "but not everyone is like that!", it is not helping if you want a solution.
It is still stupid to do so. I was born in Bavaria and most of my schoolfriends are neither above-average conservative, religious or nutjobs. So yes, I´m "getting on the fence". Insult yourself, if you have to, but not me with these baseless assuptions of yours.
The problem with your speech is you label all of them. You leave me in a situation that I somehow have to prove that I´m neither religious, conservative or whatever. Thats not how it should be. The only thing you achieved is giving yourself a label. And that is not a good one.
Not taking a side in your argument but are you still in Bavaria? If you're Bavarian living among other Bavarians naturally you won't consider Bavarians around you more (or less) conservative than average. I don't perceive my schoolfriends as above-average conservative either but I wouldn't be surprised if a German person considered them as such.
On February 01 2016 12:27 Esk23 wrote: Just curious, are these the kinds of Muslim immigrants Europeans want to bring into their countries? I'm just curious if Europeans are either naive and brainwashed or if they want to commit cultural and ethnic suicide.
Probably because he generalized a population group based on their origin and the actions of few individuals, which is something also known as racism.
Every population group contains morons, but pointing at one of those morons and saying "Everyone of them is like that" is... not something you should do.
Disclaimer: I haven't actually watched the video, I'm only judging by his text above the video.
meh, i dont like that "you shall not generalize" bullshit in discussions because it doesnt lead to working solutions. the best thing is that generalizations are ok as long as you dont generalize the "wrong" people. saying that poor people are more criminal than rich people is something everyone will agree with and especially for germany its absolutely ok to say bavarians are conservative religious nutjobs or east germans are nazis. no one is getting on the fence if you say that but if you say that arabs have a problem with antisemitism, emancipation and criminality some not so smart people call you a racist, nazi and everything that comes to their mind. its important to understand that you can make general statements about a group of something, but that statement doesnt necessarily is true for every single item of that group. its important to still make those statements to have something to work with. simple example: clothing manufacturers have to factor in the different heights of people in different parts of the world. chinese are smaller than europeans and they work with that fact, that there are also large people in china and the largest man in the world is chinese doesnt change anything.
it does not hold any value to close every sentence with "but not everyone is like that!", it is not helping if you want a solution.
It is still stupid to do so. I was born in Bavaria and most of my schoolfriends are neither above-average conservative, religious or nutjobs. So yes, I´m "getting on the fence". Insult yourself, if you have to, but not me with these baseless assuptions of yours.
The problem with your speech is you label all of them. You leave me in a situation that I somehow have to prove that I´m neither religious, conservative or whatever. Thats not how it should be. The only thing you achieved is giving yourself a label. And that is not a good one.
Not taking a side in your argument but are you still in Bavaria? If you're Bavarian living among other Bavarians naturally you won't consider Bavarians around you more (or less) conservative than average. I don't perceive my schoolfriends as above-average conservative either but I wouldn't be surprised if a German person considered them as such.
In my opinion the south of Germany is more conservative than the other parts. Religious nutjobs is insulting though, but we usually just ignore comments like these. I'm not Bavarian but from Baden. The green party in Baden-Württemberg is a lot more conservative than it is in other states. Just to counter arguments that Baden-Württemberg is currently led by the green party.
On February 01 2016 11:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i think 1st world countries with a good economy. a high standard of living, and a low birth rate that is not replacing the young people MUST bring in quality YOUNG immigrants in quantities that prevent the country from becoming "too old".
if "the locals" whine and moan and complain about bringing in high quality young immigrants the rebuttal to "the locals" is "have more babies and we won't bring in any immigrants".
A couple of germanic countries are incentivizing making more babies with more financial aid, supply aid, and denmark even made an ad campaign called "Do It For Mom".
Obviously It hasn't worked, but importing a majority of males is not the way to rebuild a population. Europe needs more women to make babies as well, but its a shame that muslim culture is oppressing women.
Perhaps the domestic problems should be addressed first. I dont know the situation well enough but perhaps babies are too expensive, or too time consuming. Then give people supplies to raise their children or government sponsored marternity leave.
Just to clarify, the campaign called "Do it for Mom" was actually done by Spies - a travel agency and was an advertisement for parent-sponsored vacations - for couples and singles (so yes, also "dating" vacations). It's absolutely hilarious, go and watch it if you haven't already.
money isn't really a factor. It's much cheaper to raise a kid in Denmark or Germany than in the US and still the US has an exceptionally high birth rate compared to other developed countries. The biggest factor is probably emancipation of women and the the diminishing role of religion and the family. If we actually have to chose between women being birth machines or participating in public life I'd prefer the latter.
On February 02 2016 02:48 Nyxisto wrote: money isn't really a factor. It's much cheaper to raise a kid in Denmark or Germany than in the US and still the US has an exceptionally high birth rate compared to other developed countries. The biggest factor is probably emancipation of women and the the diminishing role of religion and the family. If we actually have to chose between women being birth machines or participating in public life I'd prefer the latter.
We should just do it like France. They have both - a high birth rate and most women are emancipated and working. I already made this argument, but people like you just like to ignore it.
On February 02 2016 02:48 Nyxisto wrote: money isn't really a factor. It's much cheaper to raise a kid in Denmark or Germany than in the US and still the US has an exceptionally high birth rate compared to other developed countries. The biggest factor is probably emancipation of women and the the diminishing role of religion and the family. If we actually have to chose between women being birth machines or participating in public life I'd prefer the latter.
Well in the extreme that problem means there is no more public life to participate in, (until we invent artificial birth machines)
It is VERY important that women are seen as more than just that, but (until the artificial ones) any culture will have women as birth machines (same as all humans must be "money/economy making machines" not all of them have to be, but some of them do until there is a society wide alternative ie (AIs that keep us as pets))...ideally people are "machines" that do something for society because society makes it something they desire.
Basically if women are going to be emancipated from being baby makers, they also need to be emancipated to be baby makers as well (having things like family leave and support on a government level, but also a culture that values the decision*)
*that culture can't really be set by policy, but it can be set by individuals and be affected by policy.
On February 02 2016 02:48 Nyxisto wrote: money isn't really a factor. It's much cheaper to raise a kid in Denmark or Germany than in the US and still the US has an exceptionally high birth rate compared to other developed countries. The biggest factor is probably emancipation of women and the the diminishing role of religion and the family. If we actually have to chose between women being birth machines or participating in public life I'd prefer the latter.
We should just do it like France. They have both - a high birth rate and most women are emancipated and working. I already made this argument, but people like you just like to ignore it.
I don't ignore it, but France is somewhat of an outlier in that regard. We've actually tried to implement a lot of that stuff as well, it just didn't have a strong influence on the birth rate. Denmark certainly isn't lacking in the welfare department either.
On February 02 2016 02:48 Nyxisto wrote: money isn't really a factor. It's much cheaper to raise a kid in Denmark or Germany than in the US and still the US has an exceptionally high birth rate compared to other developed countries. The biggest factor is probably emancipation of women and the the diminishing role of religion and the family. If we actually have to chose between women being birth machines or participating in public life I'd prefer the latter.
We should just do it like France. They have both - a high birth rate and most women are emancipated and working. I already made this argument, but people like you just like to ignore it.
I don't ignore it, but France is somewhat of an outlier in that regard. We've actually tried to implement a lot of that stuff as well, it just didn't have a strong influence on the birth rate. Denmark certainly isn't lacking in the welfare department either.
No, I disagree. I would say we started to implement and now when it comes to things like nurseries every state does its own thing. I'm looking specifically at you Bavaria.
Education and pay and reputation of people doing child care is bad in Germany. Also when it comes to taxing we are far away from how things are done in France.
The president of the European Council says "good progress" has been made on David Cameron's reform demands as he prepares to publish a "new settlement" on the UK's EU membership.
Donald Tusk said he would put forward the draft text on Tuesday but warned "outstanding issues" remained.
UK and EU officials have been trying to reach an agreement that will pave the way for the UK's EU referendum.
EU leaders will debate the proposals at a summit on 18 and 19 February.
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"The deal is not yet done," she said, adding that objections could still emerge to Mr Cameron's bid to curb welfare for EU migrants.
He has proposed denying in-work benefits to all EU migrants until they have been in the UK for four years, saying this would reduce high levels of immigration to the UK.
EU leaders rejected this idea but suggested an "emergency brake" which the UK could use for up to four years.
The UK could use this to deny in-work benefits to EU migrants but it would have to prove public services were under excessive strain and would need the approval of other EU states.
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David Cameron's four main aims for renegotiation: Integration/Sovereignty: Allowing Britain to opt out from the EU's founding ambition to forge an "ever closer union" of the peoples of Europe so it will not be drawn into further political integration. Giving greater powers to national parliaments to block or scrap EU legislation.
Competitiveness: To extend the single market and cut down on excessive regulation - commonly known by critics as "Brussels bureaucracy".
Benefits: Restricting access to in-work and out-of-work benefits to EU migrants. Specifically, ministers want to stop those coming to the UK from claiming certain benefits and housing until they have been resident for four years. But the European Commission, which runs the EU, has said such a move would be "highly problematic" and the focus has now turned to the UK having an "emergency brake" which could stop in-work benefits to EU migrants for four years.
Eurozone v the rest: Securing an explicit recognition that the euro is not the only currency of the European Union, to ensure countries outside the eurozone are not disadvantaged. The UK also wants safeguards that it will not have to contribute to eurozone bailouts
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