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On December 06 2015 04:02 LegalLord wrote:
I never said a stable Syrian government would kill ISIS as a global organization. But it would severely damage it within Syria. Unless that's what you are disputing, you are arguing a straw man.
No organization survives in a vacuum. While ISIS would probably survive if it was ejected from Syria, that's still a large fraction of its organizational power gone. the point is stopping isis as it relates to global terrorism. nobody gives a fuck about syria
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France's far-right National Front pulled off a historic win on Sunday, topping the vote in the first round of regional elections, in a breakthrough that shakes up the country's political landscape before 2017 presidential elections.
Boosted by fears over the Islamic State attacks that killed 130 people in Paris on Nov. 13, as well as by record unemployment and immigration, Marine Le Pen's party secured 29.4 percent of the vote nationally, the interior ministry said, with over 85 percent of the votes counted.
That is the highest score ever for the anti-Europe, anti-immigration party, which came first in six regions out of 13.
"This is a historic, extraordinary result," FN lawmaker Marion Marechal-Le Pen told TF1 television. "The old system died tonight."
Twenty-five year old Marechal-Le Pen, the granddaughter of party founder Jean-Marie Le Pen and niece of party leader Marine, led the first round in southeast France with 42 percent - twice her grandfather's score there in 2010.
Run-offs will be held on Dec. 13.
Even one outright victory would be a major boost for Le Pen, who wants a base of locally elected officials to help her target power at the national level.
Her eye is on the 2017 presidential and parliamentary elections, with French politics now clearly a three-way race after Sunday's election, ending decades of domination by the Socialists and conservatives.
While the FN is well placed to win one or more regions in the Dec. 13 run-off, especially after Marine Le Pen attracted over 41 percent of the votes in the north, the Socialist party lowered its chances of doing so by announcing that it was pulling its candidates out of the race there and in the southeast.
The Socialist party is putting up a "barricade" to the far-right where it is far behind, party chief Jean-Christophe Cambadelis said. "The Left is the last shield of democratic France against the xenophobic far-right," he said.
However, opinion polls before the election had shown that Le Pen could win even if the Socialists pulled out.
uk.reuters.com
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Seems like the entire world is moving away from socialism and towards the far right. Neocons are winning everywhere and everything...
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On December 07 2015 20:59 DickMcFanny wrote:
Seems like the entire world is moving away from socialism and towards the far right. Neocons are winning everywhere and everything...
Finally. Same in Latin America; though left wing here is farther left and ridicously more corrupted.
In Venezuela the opposition is getting 99 of 167 seats in parliament so far, leaving oficialism with 47 only; 19 seats to be determined. This follows up Macri's presidential victory, ending 15++ years of peronism (left wing nationalism roughly) in Argentina.
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On December 07 2015 20:59 DickMcFanny wrote:
Seems like the entire world is moving away from socialism and towards the far right. Neocons are winning everywhere and everything...
I would say the world is still very much fine with socialism.
Europe is moving further to the right tho, no doubt about that. Between the increase in refugees from the middle east and recent terrorist attacks its only going to get worse.
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On December 07 2015 20:59 DickMcFanny wrote:
Seems like the entire world is moving away from socialism and towards the far right. Neocons are winning everywhere and everything...
Lol no. Its not move away from Socialism at all. For example for PiS which won recently in Poland only thing that they have similiar with neo-cons is crazy emphasis on religion. Other then that they are for strong governemnt and social programms.
Its not move away from socialism, is move away from PC and multicultarlism.
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Well that would be a move I'd much support.
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Well, considering the FN is the only pro-net neutrality party with the Greens, I might have voted FN if I were French. Seriously, I see pro-net neutrality as an evidence that the FN isn't some kind of nazi wannabe.
All the other parties are for a bigger control of the Internet... And the Greens are against nuclear because stupid reason so fuck them.
So yeah, even if I disagree with a lot of thing coming from Le Pen, I disagree with more thing coming from LR and PS, so I would have probably voted FN.
And well, you can't have a wellfare state with porous border. Too bad I like the idea of Europe, but not as it is right now.
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30% is about what the u.s. tea party peaks.
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Fuck the suffocating PC blanket that dissallows Europeans, for example, discussing on Islam and the fact that the most recent reformation is the massive switch from regular Sunni to extremist Salafi (á la Saudi Ariabia and IS).
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It's not just Europe, though.
Look at the US, where people like Salman Rushdie and Ayaan Hirsi Ali are barred from speaking at universities, because they 'insult' Islam and 'offend' Muslims.
Here's a hint, if the mere description of your religious practices is offensive, your religion sucks.
But of course we're siding with the oppressors, not the oppressed, because we'd rather support FGM, antisemitism and brutal oppression of religious and sexual minorities (and those are only the moderates) just to be sure nobody can call us racist.
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On December 07 2015 23:18 DickMcFanny wrote:
It's not just Europe, though.
Look at the US, where people like Salman Rushdie and Ayaan Hirsi Ali are barred from speaking at universities, because they 'insult' Islam and 'offend' Muslims.
Here's a hint, if the mere description of your religious practices is offensive, your religion sucks.
But of course we're siding with the oppressors, not the oppressed, because we'd rather support FGM, antisemitism and brutal oppression of religious and sexual minorities (and those are only the moderates) just to be sure nobody can call us racist.
In France, when you criticize Islam, left people respond "you say the same stuff as Lepen" (nothing can be said without behind considered as a rascist...), they are extremely paternalist with muslims people and so, as much racist as the FN, anyway, like them, they bring the communitarianism and even if it seems pretty well accepted in anglo saxon society and politic, this is absolutely the opposite of the french conception of the Republic one and indivisible, so the left si not much republican than the FN. Moreover, they clearly despise the "people" when they continuously insult the Lepen's voters without even thinking why there is such a vote: In some part of the countryside, there are not museum or libraries 30km around, there are not services, no social link... And in city like Calais, the governement sent policemen instead of food supplies for the migrants. Moreover, there are a lot of unemployment and people saw the Greek crisis as a proof that Europe is not a democracy anymore.
The attentats have a impact but not so big and it is not the refugees crisis the problem but the way it is handled.
So, the FN appears as the only alternative against the clientelism of the PS and the republican which totally obey to any kind of lobbying.
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If there is someone who knows a little bit about both the german and the french political landscape:
On a scale of CDU-CSU-AfD-NPD, where would you put the front national?
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Its an AFD that used to be the NPD.
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On December 07 2015 20:59 DickMcFanny wrote:
Seems like the entire world is moving away from socialism and towards the far right. Neocons are winning everywhere and everything...
The public opinion moving towards the right in times of economic downturn is normal. Lean times makes people worry for 'theirs' and ignore others - good times gives people opportunity to worry about others, as 'theirs' is safer. Couple this with unrest in large parts of the world and the following refugee crisis connected to this, and the right also gains momentum from those worried about increased immigration and refugee intake. The fact that the immigration and refugee politics on the left generally only focuses on good times all around and that plans for lean times generally dont exist, alienates a lot of the mood-following voters, "forcing" them into the clutches of the parties with politics aimed at reducing immigrant and refugee intake - in general, reactionary, anti-human-rights parties.
The politics will trend towards the left again when the economy and global stability improves, or in the aftermath of a great war in which we suffer great losses.
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On December 08 2015 01:21 plated.rawr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2015 20:59 DickMcFanny wrote:
Seems like the entire world is moving away from socialism and towards the far right. Neocons are winning everywhere and everything... The public opinion moving towards the right in times of economic downturn is normal. Lean times makes people worry for 'theirs' and ignore others - good times gives people opportunity to worry about others, as 'theirs' is safer. Couple this with unrest in large parts of the world and the following refugee crisis connected to this, and the right also gains momentum from those worried about increased immigration and refugee intake. The fact that the immigration and refugee politics on the left generally only focuses on good times all around and that plans for lean times generally dont exist, alienates a lot of the mood-following voters, "forcing" them into the clutches of the parties with politics aimed at reducing immigrant and refugee intake - in general, reactionary, anti-human-rights parties. The politics will trend towards the left again when the economy and global stability improves, or in the aftermath of a great war in which we suffer great losses.
While generally true, remember that the single largest turn towards socialism in the US, that being the New Deal under FDR, took place while the country was gripped with possibly the worst poverty it has ever seen. Whether that applies to Europe remains to be seen of course.
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On December 08 2015 01:27 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2015 01:21 plated.rawr wrote:On December 07 2015 20:59 DickMcFanny wrote:
Seems like the entire world is moving away from socialism and towards the far right. Neocons are winning everywhere and everything... The public opinion moving towards the right in times of economic downturn is normal. Lean times makes people worry for 'theirs' and ignore others - good times gives people opportunity to worry about others, as 'theirs' is safer. Couple this with unrest in large parts of the world and the following refugee crisis connected to this, and the right also gains momentum from those worried about increased immigration and refugee intake. The fact that the immigration and refugee politics on the left generally only focuses on good times all around and that plans for lean times generally dont exist, alienates a lot of the mood-following voters, "forcing" them into the clutches of the parties with politics aimed at reducing immigrant and refugee intake - in general, reactionary, anti-human-rights parties. The politics will trend towards the left again when the economy and global stability improves, or in the aftermath of a great war in which we suffer great losses. While generally true, remember that the single largest turn towards socialism in the US, that being the New Deal under FDR, took place while the country was gripped with possibly the worst poverty it has ever seen. Whether that applies to Europe remains to be seen of course.
The Euro forces countries into austerity which prevents socialist initiatives like the New Deal.
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Which is one of its primary goals, the dismantling of the European welfare system.
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On December 08 2015 01:27 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2015 01:21 plated.rawr wrote:On December 07 2015 20:59 DickMcFanny wrote:
Seems like the entire world is moving away from socialism and towards the far right. Neocons are winning everywhere and everything... The public opinion moving towards the right in times of economic downturn is normal. Lean times makes people worry for 'theirs' and ignore others - good times gives people opportunity to worry about others, as 'theirs' is safer. Couple this with unrest in large parts of the world and the following refugee crisis connected to this, and the right also gains momentum from those worried about increased immigration and refugee intake. The fact that the immigration and refugee politics on the left generally only focuses on good times all around and that plans for lean times generally dont exist, alienates a lot of the mood-following voters, "forcing" them into the clutches of the parties with politics aimed at reducing immigrant and refugee intake - in general, reactionary, anti-human-rights parties. The politics will trend towards the left again when the economy and global stability improves, or in the aftermath of a great war in which we suffer great losses. While generally true, remember that the single largest turn towards socialism in the US, that being the New Deal under FDR, took place while the country was gripped with possibly the worst poverty it has ever seen. Whether that applies to Europe remains to be seen of course.
Hm, I suppose it'd be more appropriate to say 'to the extremes during lean times' rather than 'to the right', with peaceful / stable times bringing things more towards the center, in that case? I've only got a very surfaced knowledge of the New Deal, and my understanding of american commonman political knowledge and US politics is that it's quite exeptional and, therefore, hard to generalize about in relation to the rest of the western world.
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On December 08 2015 01:27 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2015 01:21 plated.rawr wrote:On December 07 2015 20:59 DickMcFanny wrote:
Seems like the entire world is moving away from socialism and towards the far right. Neocons are winning everywhere and everything... The public opinion moving towards the right in times of economic downturn is normal. Lean times makes people worry for 'theirs' and ignore others - good times gives people opportunity to worry about others, as 'theirs' is safer. Couple this with unrest in large parts of the world and the following refugee crisis connected to this, and the right also gains momentum from those worried about increased immigration and refugee intake. The fact that the immigration and refugee politics on the left generally only focuses on good times all around and that plans for lean times generally dont exist, alienates a lot of the mood-following voters, "forcing" them into the clutches of the parties with politics aimed at reducing immigrant and refugee intake - in general, reactionary, anti-human-rights parties. The politics will trend towards the left again when the economy and global stability improves, or in the aftermath of a great war in which we suffer great losses. While generally true, remember that the single largest turn towards socialism in the US, that being the New Deal under FDR, took place while the country was gripped with possibly the worst poverty it has ever seen. Whether that applies to Europe remains to be seen of course.
Nope because despite of all the things you can accuse the US of they've never been silly enough to vote for völkisch nationalists like Le Pen.
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