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Silvanel
Poland4742 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18223 Posts
On December 04 2015 06:43 Silvanel wrote: Lol.Yeah Eastern Europe is crawling with Nazis. Better arm yourself we are coming to get You Tell that to the Ukrainian militias. They happen to be fighting on "our" side now, but that doesn't make them any less neonazis. | ||
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Narw
Poland884 Posts
Last elections shown how much support right wing parties have in Ukraine. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
A few percent explicitly voting for an ultra-nationalist party is troubling in and of itself. If it were a majority that would be far, far worse. And Ukraine is far from the only one. | ||
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Narw
Poland884 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5757 Posts
On December 04 2015 07:06 Narw wrote: Stop sprouting this bullshit of nazis in Eastern Europe. They pay Russian trolls to do it, you are doing it for free and it's disgusting. Last elections shown how much support right wing parties have in Ukraine. Indeed. Parties that openly glorify UPA, OUN, Bandera, Shukhevych etc. received in total more than 50% of the votes (which did not translate to nearly as many seats in the parliament due to the electoral system) and either deny/whitewash the genocide in Eastern Poland or praise it, depending on how radical they are. That is excluding Poroshenko's bloc because he seems to be doing it for populist reasons as opposed to real conviction. Let us be clear: genocidal maniacs are considered by a large portion of Ukrainians as national heroes. I truly hope this is due to their ignorance of history rather than actual sympathy for murderers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_parliamentary_election,_2014 Anyway, people should be specific as to what they mean by "Eastern Europe". | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
Source What I find interesting about this is that the vote actually ended up being more of a proxy-vote for whether or not Danes trust Bruxelles (EU), and more importantly our own politicians with the answer being fairly clear. This seems to reflect a general trend in EU (currently led by the UK) - people consider Bruxelles (the EU politicians) too far removed from the populations of the nation-states and are thus unwilling to allow them to represent their interests. I think this begs the somewhat sensationalist question: Can EU survive this scepticism? Is it possible to recreate the EU-optimism which we saw earlier - and is it possible to do it in time before Cameroun has to make good on his promise of a vote which could potentially lead to a UK exit? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10854 Posts
The EU has shown that its unable to create a coherent foreign policy, it is unable to handle the refugee crysis as a unit and it has a myriad of other problems like the €. An EU that would actually work for the people instead of companies... Maybe that could work. | ||
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
On December 04 2015 01:46 Biff The Understudy wrote: It is absolutely proven that Europe would benefit economically from more immigration I'm sorry, but the only response that I can give to this statement is TOPKEK. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On December 04 2015 07:12 LegalLord wrote: Yeah, take this "paid trolls" bullshit somewhere else. It's not a real argument and it's just pointless slander to talk about it. A few percent explicitly voting for an ultra-nationalist party is troubling in and of itself. If it were a majority that would be far, far worse. And Ukraine is far from the only one. Yeah but ultra nationalist party are not all nazi. If the nazi were only a nationalist party, they wouldn't have created that much trouble... | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On December 04 2015 04:42 LegalLord wrote: Military invasion on the part of Western nations wouldn't stop ISIS, that much is true. But unified support of one strong leading party would do that, whether it is Assad or some other successor that is more desirable. It seems to be the most reliable method for keeping MidEast populations in line over the past 50 years. A strong local military dedicated to rooting out terrorism in its home country would stop the organization within its own country. The real problem is that we don't have that in the nations where the US created a poorly thought out power vacuum because we didn't like a leader who maintained stability. i disagree. before isis started, sure. but after it has started and developed an organization with a large, clandestine internet presence, all an assad regime does is either serve as a target for local ISIS activity, or more likely push ISIS into doing more global activities. it's a path sensitive situation | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On December 05 2015 04:14 WhiteDog wrote: Yeah but ultra nationalist party are not all nazi. If the nazi were only a nationalist party, they wouldn't have created that much trouble... Alright, let me revise my previous post as follows: A few percent explicitly voting for an ultra-nationalist party which explicitly advocates killing off individuals who are not members of the "favored race" and explicitly uses nazi symbolism is troubling in and of itself. If it were a majority that would be far, far worse. And Ukraine is far from the only one. On December 05 2015 04:18 oneofthem wrote: i disagree. before isis started, sure. but after it has started and developed an organization with a large, clandestine internet presence, all an assad regime does is either serve as a target for local ISIS activity, or more likely push ISIS into doing more global activities. it's a path sensitive situation Organizations with a global presence don't exist in a vacuum. Cut off the sources of funding and troops and it will slowly but surely wither and die. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
fact is it has an extensive array of online operatives recruiting and doing propaganda stuff. this is an area that poses the most threat to the west and may still persist even with an assad ruled syria. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22104 Posts
On December 06 2015 01:38 oneofthem wrote: you think isis is only accessing the internet from the syrian desert? they can do so all over the world. His point (I hope) is that ISIS as a state can be destroyed. That doesn't do much tho as ISIS as a terrorist organization can survive almost anywhere. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
No organization survives in a vacuum. While ISIS would probably survive if it was ejected from Syria, that's still a large fraction of its organizational power gone. | ||
zatic
Zurich15362 Posts
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