European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread - Page 340

On November 20 2015 07:49 Nyxisto wrote:


http://www.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx

Roughly a third believes that consensual homosexual relationships should be illegal according to latest gallup polls, if you want a more serious example. Not to take a jab at Americans, just for comparison, the same is probably true in Europe. Judging the character of a whole nation by this is ridiculous. You can dig out polls to proof everything, it's not a substitute for a coherent argument.

On November 20 2015 08:46 Nyxisto wrote:
I don't even know if you read my post, because I literally said I'm not trying to make a point against anybody, I was saying that throwing random statistics around is an awful way to have a discussion because you can literally say anything with it.

Some random poll about homophobia does not accurately describe how gays are treated in America and a random poll among British Muslims will not proof that Sharia law is upon us shortly.

On November 14 2015 17:08 Maenander wrote:
I hope this attack doesn't raise the tension in Germany, it's fodder for the right wing nuts ranting about refugees.

It's not the influx of moderate Muslims that is a problem. But let's be clear, failed integration into our country and the lack of prospects for immigrants would create a breeding ground for terrorists, be they islamist or right wing. That's why we need to tread carefully.

Ironically, Neo-Nazis and Islamists have a lot in common. They are mostly recruiting from disgruntled people discontent with the current state of the world (mostly their own life). The explicitly desired hate for people of different nationality/religion/whatever "responsible" is actually the allure.

On November 22 2015 15:37 forsooth wrote:

Your beloved "moderate Muslims" are still people from a world where Islam enjoys an officially privileged status in society and everyone is expected to adhere to Islamic cultural norms. Male ownership of women and the rape culture that comes with it is a reality, not the farce invented by hysterical western feminists that supposedly exists here. Five times a day, loudspeakers blast the message that Allah is the greatest and only god. Muslims are allowed to proselytize and take converts from other religions, but proselytizing to Muslims is forbidden. These things are simply taken for granted across the Muslim world, and the reason there is peace is because the minorities are so small or marginalized that they can't fight back against their second class status. They just slowly decline and disappear. The question is, can you convince these moderates you talk about that the worldview that Islam deserves privileged status is wrong? Can you expect them to accept that what they believe is just one set of beliefs among thousands, and that they have no right to ask or expect anyone else to care? We take pluralism for granted here because it's how we're raised, and we've continued to move in that direction even over the course of our own lifetimes, with more and more groups of people and lifestyles being brought into the mainstream and accepted as just as normal as everyone else. This is not remotely the case in the Middle East, and even a great many of those who are unwilling to engage in terrorism themselves would happily support the destruction of secular, irreligious society if the opportunity came along.

To state it plainly, the major and particular failure of integration when it comes to Muslims is not the fault of western countries. We know where we stand, and it's their responsibility to get with the program. Most minorities manage it quite well. The issue is that Muslims, particularly from places like Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria are culturally a couple of centuries behind us. And if there's such significant base cultural conflict combined with a lack of opportunity for low skilled labor, the question you have to ask yourself is why you're even bothering with low skilled immigrants from a backward part of the world in the first place. What good does it do your country to import poverty and conflict? I know it comforts you to dismiss people who hold a dim view of mass immigration as neo-Nazis and "nuts" but maybe you should take the time to consider that they're just interested in what's best for themselves and their country. Immigration is, after all, not about the immigrants. It's about what best serves the needs of the host nation.

But some in Germany are not pleased. The quickness of their reaction makes one suspect that their answer was prepared well in advance. The DGB (Deutscher Gewerkschaftbund – the Confederation of German Trade Unions) protested in strong terms against what it calls the “interference with collective bargaining.“ But what does the DGB want? The confederation should be consistent and openly declare that they either prefer no monetary union at all or that they, in effect, favour a confederation of unions that functions as a tool of exploitation for the all powerful German export industry. Because this is what their position logically leads to. The DGB only seems to have the interests of their workers in mind – not other German workers, not the German population at large and not the interests of workers of other countries. And there is no doubt that the confederation is being dominated by its strongest member, IG Metall.

"When our authorities tell us we cannot guarantee the security and control of our borders, we need to listen," Prime Minister Stefan Lofven told reporters.

On November 30 2015 06:49 LegalLord wrote:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/29/us-europe-migrants-turkey-idUSKBN0TI00520151129



Seems like a sane enough solution, at least for now.

On November 27 2015 00:16 m4ini wrote:
In regards to the refugee-situation, sweden appears to have woken up. They don't have capacities anymore, so they tone down the acceptance down to the bare minimum regulated by EU rules and start border control.



That's something germany might want to listen to, since germanies authorities already stated months ago that they're losing control. Of course, people that still live in Lala-Land will argue that "there's no upper limit", but the reality is that there is, clearly. And germany is reaching that as well.