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On November 17 2015 20:36 Salteador Neo wrote: Meanwhile in Spain (at least) 16 churches will preach on the anniversary of the deceased dictator Francisco Franco.
Can somebody imagine this bs happening nowadays in Italy with Mussolini or in Germany with Hitler? Franco's war against the spanish republic got about 300k people dead.
It depends on how they are preaching.
"That was wrong, we should remember not to make these mistakes again" or "It wasn't so bad, and there was some good"
[note: the second is partially true (no situation is 100% bad), but has a very wrong tone]
By your logic you could argue for the greatest mass murderes in history to be not "all bad", while basically every altenrative to them would have been better.
On November 17 2015 20:36 Salteador Neo wrote: Meanwhile in Spain (at least) 16 churches will preach on the anniversary of the deceased dictator Francisco Franco.
Can somebody imagine this bs happening nowadays in Italy with Mussolini or in Germany with Hitler? Franco's war against the spanish republic got about 300k people dead.
It depends on how they are preaching.
"That was wrong, we should remember not to make these mistakes again" or "It wasn't so bad, and there was some good"
[note: the second is partially true (no situation is 100% bad), but has a very wrong tone]
Lmao that's so naive it's almost cute. There's no "it wasn't so bad" in the church vocabulary. It's 100% mourn and praise for the "fallen patriot".
On November 17 2015 20:36 Salteador Neo wrote: Meanwhile in Spain (at least) 16 churches will preach on the anniversary of the deceased dictator Francisco Franco.
Can somebody imagine this bs happening nowadays in Italy with Mussolini or in Germany with Hitler? Franco's war against the spanish republic got about 300k people dead.
It depends on how they are preaching.
"That was wrong, we should remember not to make these mistakes again" or "It wasn't so bad, and there was some good"
[note: the second is partially true (no situation is 100% bad), but has a very wrong tone]
Lmao that's so naive it's almost cute. There's no "it wasn't so bad" in the church vocabulary. It's 100% mourn and praise for the "fallen patriot".
Well I've never been to church in Spain so I couldn't be sure (although I did have suspicions it would probably be like that from what I have heard.)
By your logic you could argue for the greatest mass murderes in history to be not "all bad", while basically every altenrative to them would have been better.
I doubt Every alternative would have been better. If so I would say you lack imagination. It might take some effort to come up with people worse than Hitler, Mao, Jackson, Genghis Khan, Alexander, Caesar, etc. as leaders but it could be done. Something can be incredibly horrible, but still have some good features. The good features don't minimize the horrible evil, and the horrible evil doesn't make the good features less good. (it just means you still wish you hadn't got the package deal, and probably could have gotten something better)
But that's off topic. Churches that don't lead off the preaching with 'He was very, very wrong' are doing something wrong themselves.
If only welfare was the only issue with these people.
Of course, migrants cannot be blamed for all the ills befalling Sweden — far less, every crime. Yet this is undeniably a society under strain. Since 1975, violent crime and rapes, including gang rapes, have risen to an extraordinary high level (in politically correct Sweden official statistics do not give the ethnic background of attackers.)
Forty years ago, 421 rapes were reported to the police in Sweden annually. By 2010, according to a BBC report, police recorded the highest number of offences — about 63 per 100,000 inhabitants — of any force in Europe. That was the second highest in the world — surpassed only by Lesotho in southern Africa. ... Even the normally reticent police have admitted that some parts of Sweden have become 'no-go' areas for them. As one official explained recently: 'Police, ambulances and the fire brigade are attacked by gangsters. There are a lot of firearms, handguns especially. The kids throw stones at them, too — there are more or less riots.' ... The authorities refuse to do tests to determine their age, calling them invasive and an abuse of human rights, so they have no way of knowing who is an adult and who is not. In neighbouring Denmark, where the approach is tougher, they have found that 72 per cent of 'child refugees' are in fact adults. In Finland and Norway, the figure is 66 per cent.
We are seeing one of the most successful countries in the world turn third world before our eyes.
Of course, migrants cannot be blamed for all the ills befalling Sweden — far less, every crime. Yet this is undeniably a society under strain. Since 1975, violent crime and rapes, including gang rapes, have risen to an extraordinary high level (in politically correct Sweden official statistics do not give the ethnic background of attackers.)
Forty years ago, 421 rapes were reported to the police in Sweden annually. By 2010, according to a BBC report, police recorded the highest number of offences — about 63 per 100,000 inhabitants — of any force in Europe. That was the second highest in the world — surpassed only by Lesotho in southern Africa. ... Even the normally reticent police have admitted that some parts of Sweden have become 'no-go' areas for them. As one official explained recently: 'Police, ambulances and the fire brigade are attacked by gangsters. There are a lot of firearms, handguns especially. The kids throw stones at them, too — there are more or less riots.' ... The authorities refuse to do tests to determine their age, calling them invasive and an abuse of human rights, so they have no way of knowing who is an adult and who is not. In neighbouring Denmark, where the approach is tougher, they have found that 72 per cent of 'child refugees' are in fact adults. In Finland and Norway, the figure is 66 per cent.
We are seeing one of the most successful countries in the world turn third world before our eyes.
Ignoring the varying opinions among our population on how many immigrants to take in and what to do with them, this article is quite dishonest. Rape is indeed a very commonly reported crime in Sweden; that is however to a great extent related to the fact that Sweden have far harsher views on what constitutes rape than most countries. Involuntary sex with your partner is rape and a chargeable offense. Moreover, there has been an active campaign for at least the last ten or so years to remove the stigma of reporting rape.
The article linked even says that a Swedish went to a school and stabbed fellow students and a teacher to death, and then somehow tries to shift the blame onto immigrants? I don't see how this point is proving anything. You have immigrants attending school, you have an immigrant who has attended higher education trying to further swedish education, and then when a swedish youth then stabs them to death it is the immigrants' fault.
If you can give me a coherent explanation, I'd gladly have it.
Why should anyone care? Is skin color really that important to you?
What you should be interested in is if they are good people, not what color their skin has. I'd much rather be surrounded by pleasant people with dark skin than by assholes with white skin.
Also, from my daily experience that is complete nonsense. A large majority of the people i see are quite pale.
On November 19 2015 07:13 bo1b wrote: Where will the blame fall when people of European descent (white) are all a minority in their own nations? Won't be long now at this rate.
Already happened, native Europeans were displaced by invaders a couple of thousand years ago. (as well as some ten thousand or so years before that with invading farmers, and another tens of thousands of years when humans from Africa pushed out the actual native Europeans... thee are probably several hundred other "displacements of European natives" that I'm missing.)
Chances are this time Most of the death involved will be from old age and not killing.
On November 19 2015 08:15 Simberto wrote: Why should anyone care? Is skin color really that important to you?
What you should be interested in is if they are good people, not what color their skin has. I'd much rather be surrounded by pleasant people with dark skin than by assholes with white skin.
Also, from my daily experience that is complete nonsense. A large majority of the people i see are quite pale.
I don't care what someones skin colour is, just I see an awful lot of victim blaming going around and I really wonder where the blame will fall when white people aren't just a minority in the world at large, but a minority in most European nations.
On November 19 2015 07:13 bo1b wrote: Where will the blame fall when people of European descent (white) are all a minority in their own nations? Won't be long now at this rate.
Already happened, native Europeans were displaced by invaders a couple of thousand years ago. (as well as some ten thousand or so years before that with invading farmers, and another tens of thousands of years when humans from Africa pushed out the actual native Europeans... thee are probably several hundred other "displacements of European natives" that I'm missing.)
Chances are this time Most of the death involved will be from old age and not killing.
in before romanians will be finally known/acknowledged as being natives, as having direct neolithical descendants and being the originators of all romantic languages. sweeds will find their vikings in dacians and irish will find their gingers in getae(all belonging to the great/many thracian tribes). genetics, linguistics and archaeology are a bitch.
populations do not get displaced(to take the place of/to replace). populations die(natural disasters- floods, ice-ages, volcano eruptions, diseases, predators, etc), are killed or moved(displaced = to force to leave a place of residence) somewhere else; else, you'll have some traces of continuity from (forced)mixing/interbreeding.
Edit: mainly, the syrian refugees will not be able to kill all the current swedes so they'll mix; then it all becomes a matter of time frame/spawn. how much would it take for the syrians to become white if the environment demands it. they'll still preserve their levantines bone structure for a while, but i have no doubt they'll tun white eventually (some centuries after or maybe sooner) because environment ...
The danger I see, is if that new majority will change constitutions and replace the laws with religion. Then we can say bye-bye to science and civilization as we know it.
On November 19 2015 18:24 xM(Z wrote: yes, civilization, social order or however you want to call it will change but he was only talking about the white of them.
No I was talking about the absolutely disgusting victim blaming that occurs, with people having the nerve to sugest that living for free in an area and being given the cold shoulder by those that pay for literally everything they have will lead them to become terrorists.
Who are they going to blame when it can't possibly be the white man's fault anymore? Given what, 30-40 years and they'll be a minority in every European nation that is accepting mass immigration, who is going to be at fault then? The Jew's? They already blame them as well.
On November 19 2015 18:15 arbiter_md wrote: The danger I see, is if that new majority will change constitutions and replace the laws with religion. Then we can say bye-bye to science and civilization as we know it.
Well it's not like Catholic states were super progressive in the middle ages. Maybe 600-700 years after we've all been forced to convert to Islam women will once again be able to go out in public with their faces uncovered.
On November 19 2015 18:15 arbiter_md wrote: The danger I see, is if that new majority will change constitutions and replace the laws with religion. Then we can say bye-bye to science and civilization as we know it.
Well it's not like Catholic states were super progressive in the middle ages. Maybe 600-700 years after we've all been forced to convert to Islam women will once again be able to go out in public with their faces uncovered.
On November 18 2015 11:21 Deathstar wrote:... Even the normally reticent police have admitted that some parts of Sweden have become 'no-go' areas for them. As one official explained recently: 'Police, ambulances and the fire brigade are attacked by gangsters. There are a lot of firearms, handguns especially. The kids throw stones at them, too — there are more or less riots.
As far as I know the no-go thing is incorrect and comes from bad translations. I did read the original Swedish report a few months ago but can't find it any longer. It said something akin to some areas being more dangerous, not that they were a no-go area. Taken from memory, so might be getting the nuance wrong. Still, if you compare them to many other countries worst areas they are still pretty tame. I as an adult male would be fine with visiting them, though not living in the worst of the worst of them.
Sweden has had several large immigration waves and they have all had their problems. The reason this is a problem compared to those is that there isn't a "surplus" of work as when the other ones happened. Leading to a large amount of people not being easy to integrate.
If we had 1 million more jobs in largish companies the entire thing would be a minor issue since a very large portion of the immigrants would be forced to integrate by culture exposure at work.
On November 19 2015 07:13 bo1b wrote: Where will the blame fall when people of European descent (white) are all a minority in their own nations? Won't be long now at this rate.
onto some kind of minority of course, like it always does
On November 19 2015 18:24 xM(Z wrote: yes, civilization, social order or however you want to call it will change but he was only talking about the white of them.
No I was talking about the absolutely disgusting victim blaming that occurs, with people having the nerve to sugest that living for free in an area and being given the cold shoulder by those that pay for literally everything they have will lead them to become terrorists.
Who are they going to blame when it can't possibly be the white man's fault anymore? Given what, 30-40 years and they'll be a minority in every European nation that is accepting mass immigration, who is going to be at fault then? The Jew's? They already blame them as well.
Ah, i finally understand what your point is, and it is completely pointless.
You see, you don't seem to understand what people are talking about. It is not victim blaming, it is finding a solution to problems. To find a solution to problems, you need to figure out why they occur. If the problem is people suicidally murdering lots of other people, people want to understand why this happens, as it is obviously a fundamentally irrational decision. So to make people stop doing that, first you need to understand why it happens. Noone care about putting the blame on anyone, that is a waste of time.
Of course you could go the stupid way and say "Well they are stupid because they have brown skin" or "Islam is making them do it" and come to the conclusion that you need to get rid of people with brown skin or islam, without realizing just how stupid and contraproductive that is, unless your goal is to escalate the conflict further.
Or you can take the smart path and actually take a look at how the radicalisation happens, which factors play into that, and try to combat those factors instead. Instead of trying to fight as many radicals as possible, try to prevent people from becoming radical in the first place.
On November 18 2015 11:21 Deathstar wrote:... Even the normally reticent police have admitted that some parts of Sweden have become 'no-go' areas for them. As one official explained recently: 'Police, ambulances and the fire brigade are attacked by gangsters. There are a lot of firearms, handguns especially. The kids throw stones at them, too — there are more or less riots.
As far as I know the no-go thing is incorrect and comes from bad translations. I did read the original Swedish report a few months ago but can't find it any longer. It said something akin to some areas being more dangerous, not that they were a no-go area. Taken from memory, so might be getting the nuance wrong. Still, if you compare them to many other countries worst areas they are still pretty tame. I as an adult male would be fine with visiting them, though not living in the worst of the worst of them.
Sweden has had several large immigration waves and they have all had their problems. The reason this is a problem compared to those is that there isn't a "surplus" of work as when the other ones happened. Leading to a large amount of people not being easy to integrate.
If we had 1 million more jobs in largish companies the entire thing would be a minor issue since a very large portion of the immigrants would be forced to integrate by culture exposure at work.
the no-go is very correct. swedes refer to them as - neighborhoods where geographically similar people reside; they consider it the politically correct term to use to avoid being called racists.
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