EPTEuropean Politico-economics QA Mega-thread - Page 221
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22372 Posts
On July 19 2015 02:52 rezoacken wrote: Ireland is a south country ? It is when your manipulating data to show the desired result :p | ||
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Simberto
Germany11839 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Alcathous
Netherlands219 Posts
On July 19 2015 02:19 RvB wrote: Since qhen is the north the same as Germany? The Netherlands went trough a pretty big recession. Because the Netherlands wasn't bright enough to realize that you talk the talk, but you don't actually walk the walk. Netherlands imposed austerity on itself and hurt it's economy. Germany under Schreuder/SPD reformed during the economic upswing when Die Grünen was part of the coalition. So Merkel did no reforms or austerity in Germany. They just forced the bad medicine down the throats of others. Germany slowly grew throughout the recession while the Dutch policy deepened the recession and slowed the recovery. Out of all the countries, the Netherlands actually was one of the last to recover when usually, because the economy is very interconnected and service-depended, they ought to be among the first to get hit and the first to recover. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Anyways: You say
that statement has no backing whatsoever and is just your personal opinion. Clearly something happened in 2007 and 2009 and it's obviously related to the crisis but what exactly it is isn't clear. I'd say going out of your way to only mention that one point as the sole reason is pretty hilarious all in itself but that's besides the point. So to see if your explanation is true I went ahead and took your explanation for one specific graph (that of south europe) and tried to apply it to the other ones and see if what you say should happen does happen. So what do we know about northern europe:
so we look at the graph and expect it to go up even more than it was from 2002 up to 2007/2009 if your explanation is correct. Instead we find it going down for northern Europe. And you say that's irrelevant. If you don't see a problem with your logic here I really can't help you. I'm not saying my explanation is what's happening. I just said your explanation is not shown in the graph and gave mine as an example off the top of my head. In fact I'd say it's most likely that there is no one single reason for why the graphs look the way they do and instead a multitude of reasons. But saying it is On July 19 2015 00:20 WhiteDog wrote: decisions national government and european government made since 2007 and 2009 were in accordance with the north desire to the point of it being the only thing worth a mention by you is just not what I'm seeing. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6274 Posts
On July 19 2015 02:35 WhiteDog wrote: AfF is very far from UKIP, Syriza of the FN. And the results are ponderated by the population. They're all anti euro/ EU though except for Syriza now I guess but they started anti euro. The rise of anti european parties in all southern countries can be another proof of my point, I don't even need the graph. All I'm saying is that the rise of anti european parties is not just something that's happening in southern countries. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Alcathous
Netherlands219 Posts
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
You want a pissing contest? The creditor always has the upper hand, because capitalism fuck yea! | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Alcathous
Netherlands219 Posts
IMF(read:the US) is really mad that Germany's greed is going to cost the creditors they represent a lot of money. A lot of people raised brows at eurogroup trying to seize income-generating assets of Greece. Why are eurogroup creditors privileged? Given the damage Germany is doing here, haven't they at least lost part of their moral claim to the Greek debt? Of course it is not going to work that way, but considering Greece is never going to pay back the debts, a lack of restructuring is just going to waste a lot of creditor's money, and Germany is to blame. This is kind of like a Volunteer's dilemma and Germany is refusing to play ball. Germany wants to be the free rider. Others have to accept debt restructuring, but not Germany, putting every creditor at risk of getting naught. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On July 19 2015 05:02 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Capitalism doesn't work like that. Nothing works like that. Except organised crime. I always thought capitalism was socially accepted organized crime.  | ||
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InVerno
258 Posts
On July 19 2015 02:02 WhiteDog wrote: Has the north been hit at all ? Increase in unemployment ? recession ? None of that since 2009. It's actually the opposite. ![[image loading]](http://www.tradingeconomics.com/charts/germany-unemployment-rate.png?s=gruepr&d1=20050101&d2=20151231) If your explanation was somehow true (that it's the economy that dictate the satisfaction) the satisfaction should have gone up (huge decrease in unemployment for the last ten years). So why do you bother me ? Your graph can be better ![[image loading]](http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Blogs/Ben-Bernanke/2015/Euro_Fig2.PNG?la=en) source for graph nazis: http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/ben-bernanke/posts/2015/07/17-greece-and-europe I'm late to explain why I didn't gave any context in the last graph i putted, but I did like a lot all the answers I got lol. | ||
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
On July 19 2015 05:10 ACrow wrote: I always thought capitalism was socially accepted organized crime. civilization itself a crime against nature they say. | ||
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Noizhende
Austria328 Posts
On July 19 2015 06:00 InVerno wrote: Your graph can be better source for graph nazis: http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/ben-bernanke/posts/2015/07/17-greece-and-europe I'm late to explain why I didn't gave any context in the last graph i putted, but I did like a lot all the answers I got lol. the problem with unemployment graphs is that they don't show the increasing number of people "working poor". So basically poverty can increase at the same time unemployment falls, then you have an increasing number of unhappy people anyway. | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
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warding
Portugal2395 Posts
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
On July 19 2015 05:02 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Capitalism doesn't work like that. Nothing works like that. Except organised crime. I see you have not met Paul Singer (2) (3).  Capitalism, fuck yea! | ||
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