European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread - Page 1029

On January 13 2018 07:44 RvB wrote:
Are you talking about liberals in the European sense or US?

I can't really think of a country with a real liberal (libertarian) party. It's usually socially conservative + economically liberal Vs Socially liberal + economically socialist.

On January 14 2018 04:41 TheDwf wrote:
https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/951850438290235392
"I fight the far-right in France, I deplore it everywhere in Europe. To bring Europe forward is the most efficient answer to the growth of extremes."

Jesus, this guy... When you consider the EU's attitude towards governments which include far-right forces and you remember what happened to Syriza, you understand where the true danger is for those people.

On January 14 2018 11:23 Danglars wrote:

What a mealy-mouthed conclusion! To bring Europe forward is some kind of efficient answer to the growth of extremes? Forward to what? What's growing the extremes?

On January 14 2018 12:14 Nyxisto wrote:


Inaction and half-hearted responses on part of the politicians in government and the inability to tackle big issues. Macron's right about this.

On January 14 2018 12:23 Danglars wrote:

Macron is in part substantiating accusations that he is for inaction and half-hearted responses. The quickest way to inaction is saying to be in favor of forward progress without saying what you mean. His entire response appears half-hearted in the way that I might say I'm against extremes but have absolutely no idea how to combat them. If he had a hearty response, I suppose he might consider giving it.

One is a revered sheep’s milk cheese, as Spanish as acorn-fed pigs, a famously insane knight errant or the napkin-strewn floor of a tapas bar.

The other is a mild cow’s milk cheese, sometimes bulked out with vegetable oil, that is sold cheaply in Mexican supermarkets and stuffed into quesadillas.

The two cheeses share a name, manchego, but they have about as much in common as a Spanish tortilla and its Mexican namesake. That is how they have come to be at the centre of a standoff that is slowing down a major trade deal between Mexico and the European Union.

Manchego makers in Spain say their product has a denomination of origin and want Mexican cheeses to stop carrying the same name.

Ismael Álvarez de Toledo, president of the Spanish Brotherhood of the Manchego Cheese, is adamant that there is only one product worthy of the name – and it is made from the milk of sheep in the region of La Mancha.

“[Mexican manchego] is an insipid cow’s milk cheese that sometimes doesn’t even look like a cheese because it sometimes comes in slices for making sandwiches,” he said. “The only thing it’s got in common with our cheese is the name. But it’s a fake name.”

This dogged defence is now dragging down negotiations to update a trade deal between Mexico and the EU that was signed in 2000. In the face of an uncertain future for the North American Free Trade Agreement, as Mexico attempts to diversify its trade away from the US, the deal is now being revised and broadened.

The EU had hoped revisions would be agreed before Christmas. But despite a three-day visit to Brussels by the Mexican economy minister, Ildefonso Guajardo, a deal could not be struck.

Geographical indications are jealously guarded by EU member states. A decade ago, the Spanish government made strident appeals for the European commission to take action against Belgium after it emerged that a cheese manufacturer there was selling an “imitation” product, Queso Manchego. That is a brand name that since 1996 has been tied to cheeses made in Spain.

Mexico is fiercely protective of its own denominations of origin, such as those for tequila and mescal liquor. But the country’s dairy industry does not express the same anxiety about protecting regional cheeses.

“Mexico is more like the US in that we focused more on brands,” said Rene Fonseca, general director of the National Milk Industries’ Chamber. “We’ve not worried about protecting generic names.”

If anyone is to blame for the confusion, Fonseca argues, it is the Spanish conquistadores who brought the name manchego to Mexico.

“What other name would they use except something from their country of origin?” he said. “Europeans themselves gave it this name. There’s no attempt here to trick anyone.”

But Álvarez insisted the confusion led to real losses for Spanish producers, especially in the American market.

“If we try to sell cheese in Miami – or anywhere where there’s a Mexican influence – and say, ‘Right, here’s our manchego for $15 a kilo,’ people are going to say, ‘But we can get manchego for $7!’”

Santiago Altares, secretary of the Manchego Cheese Denomination of Origin Regulatory Commission Foundation, said Spain exported around 80 tonnes of manchego to Mexico in 2016 alone. Claims that manchego had become a blanket term for cheese, he said, were deeply disingenuous.

“The suggestion that it’s a generic term is a fallacy,” he said. “These people in Mexico are trying to take advantage of the name, reputation and fame of manchego cheese for their own economic benefit.

“They’re also cheating consumers in Mexico, the US and other countries where they sell their fake manchego. It’s a fraud and a swindle.”

On January 16 2018 05:20 TheDwf wrote:
Some poll about Macron's action:

Would you say that, so far, Macron's results are:

Negative: 37%
Positive: 35%
Too early to judge: 21%
No opinion: 7%

Would you say that his action corresponds to his promises:

Yes: 55%
No: 31%
No opinion: 14%

How do you consider the government's policy:

Rather left: 7%
Rather centre: 27%
Rather right: 39%
No opinion: 27%

On January 16 2018 06:07 m4ini wrote:


It really isn't surprising that Macron's actions are seen negatively though, or that he isn't well liked even though he's one of the better politicians france had in power for a while.

Someone pointed out earlier, Macron comes through with his promises, which include reforms. Something french folks are inherently allergic against. Especially in regards to the labour market. Now, i'm not commenting on the impact of these reforms, i only know that reforms are needed. Anyone who'd implement them would be hated in france. Regardless of how needed they actually are.

On January 16 2018 06:07 m4ini wrote:


It really isn't surprising that Macron's actions are seen negatively though, or that he isn't well liked even though he's one of the better politicians france had in power for a while.

Someone pointed out earlier, Macron comes through with his promises, which include reforms. Something french folks are inherently allergic against. Especially in regards to the labour market. Now, i'm not commenting on the impact of these reforms, i only know that reforms are needed. Anyone who'd implement them would be hated in france. Regardless of how needed they actually are.