EPTSo much for the evil oligarchic russian dictatorship, Freedom prevails once again
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Velr
Switzerland10862 Posts
So much for the evil oligarchic russian dictatorship, Freedom prevails once again | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10139 Posts
Edit - And yes, i am talking about old germans. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
Income inequality is always bound to your personal work efforts to some degree and can't be changed too much directly, because you can't make other people decide which prices they pay for goods and services. The politically interesting variable is wealth. Which feudally acquired, non-effort or past-effort acquired market powers should a society accept and guarantee for and for what price (and how that money should be spent). The conservative 0% price dictatorship for property rights is obviously bullshit as most people (those with little of these tools) would see no reason to sell out their physical capabilities to take what they want for free if given to people they don't care about (except for propaganda reasons). | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On December 14 2017 23:40 Godwrath wrote: I invite you to come to a place which is target for German tourists, or where they buy houses to dispel the "Germans only want to talk in German" myth. Hell we have neighborhoods with signs in German and good luck trying to speak in english with them. Not saying that's how the majority of Germans feel about it, but from where it is coming. Edit - And yes, i am talking about old germans. So...what happens when you come to a place which is target fo English tourists? Tell me please, what is you success talking in | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10139 Posts
On December 15 2017 00:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Are you mocking my written english or actually uncapable of understanding that different nationalities can have unwarranted expectations about their language's projection into places they want to go to live or to visit ? I said target for German tourists, not places which specifically target German tourists, like if we want to attract Germans giving services on their language would be in our best interest but that doesn't give a German the entitlement to feel that people should talk him in his language. Not all the staff knows every language. Well, that happens a lot with the old germans, and in a rude fashion.So...what happens when you come to a place which is target fo English tourists? Tell me please, what is you success talking in English with them? Edit - Since i see you edited. I don't try to speak to them in Spanish? Or expect them to talk Spanish in the first place? English is the vehicular language for most activities related to tourism, not spanish, so what is your point? | ||
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Simberto
Germany11783 Posts
My generation usually doesn't care whether we have to speak english or german. For my fathers generation, english is often a "work" language that they don't want to deal with in their free time. My grandparents generation simply doesn't speak english at all. My guess would be that the tourists you are talking about are usually in one of the latter two categories. So if they want to relax during their vacation, they don't want to bother with english. And they have enough money to make sure that they don't have to bother with that, either. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On December 15 2017 00:56 Godwrath wrote: Are you mocking my written english or actually uncapable of understanding that different nationalities can have unwarranted expectations about their language's projection into places they want to go to live or to visit ? I said target for German tourists, not places which specifically target German tourists, like if we want to attract Germans giving services on their language would be in our best interest but that doesn't give a German the entitlement to feel that people should talk him in his language. Not all the staff knows every language. Well, that happens a lot with the old germans, and in a rude fashion. Edit - Since i see you edited. I don't try to speak to them in Spanish? Or expect them to talk Spanish in the first place? English is the vehicular language for most activities related to tourism, not spanish, so what is your point? Sorry, it was a poorly written joke. It didn't carry across well. Of course you would have no trouble talking in English with them. English people do tend to be fluent in English afterall. | ||
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A3th3r
United States319 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11783 Posts
English is very well established as the language that pretty much everyone speaks. It allows you to communicate with people from all around the world. Which is useful. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11783 Posts
On December 15 2017 21:24 TheDwf wrote: Not even 1 person out of 4 on this planet speaks English... Yes, but those that don't are mostly the kind of people that you don't have any contact with anyways. It is pretty unlikely that you are going to talk to some peasant in a village in Mongolia. The kind of people that act internationally (businesspeople, scientists, tourists,...) usually speak english. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
I really hope they slaughter this pig. It has taken 15 years, cost millions to break through the networks, to get the data from Liechtenstein, Switzerland, the UK and other financial havens, but it seems like they finally got him. Sad story is that this has tipped of the right-wing politicians and they are pushing to put a cap on the length of legal investigations in cases such as this one. Not sure if they can do it at the moment with all the publicity on the case, but they have 5-years to create a new legal protection for themselves. Edit: The coalition talks ended. Austria gets a new government. It looks like the far-right has gotten most of what they wished for including control over the police and control over the military. The European agendas will be moved from the FPÖ foreign ministry to the conservative chancellor due to president Van der Bellen's interventions though. It seems like the conservatives are coming out quite disorganized and as the weaker half of this government. | ||
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A3th3r
United States319 Posts
On December 15 2017 22:40 Big J wrote: Just as the new right-farright government is about to take over, the poster boy of the last one, ex-finance minister Karl-Heinz Grasser, first FPÖ, then ÖVP minister is about to finally go to jail. In the trial one of his complices has made a confession that he, the ex-minister and others have taken millions when selling out the republic to private investors. I really hope they slaughter this pig. It has taken 15 years, cost millions to break through the networks, to get the data from Liechtenstein, Switzerland, the UK and other financial havens, but it seems like they finally got him. Sad story is that this has tipped of the right-wing politicians and they are pushing to put a cap on the length of legal investigations in cases such as this one. Not sure if they can do it at the moment with all the publicity on the case, but they have 5-years to create a new legal protection for themselves. Edit: The coalition talks ended. Austria gets a new government. It looks like the far-right has gotten most of what they wished for including control over the police and control over the military. The European agendas will be moved from the FPÖ foreign ministry to the conservative chancellor due to president Van der Bellen's interventions though. It seems like the conservatives are coming out quite disorganized and as the weaker half of this government. Austria seems worse than Germany these days | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
Chancellor - Sebastian Kurz, ÖVP, party career Chancellory minister, European issues - Gernot Blümel, ÖVP, party career Minister for Agriculture, Ecology, Tourism - Elisabeth Köstinger, ÖVP, party career Minister for Justice and Reforms - Josef Moser, partyless (ÖVP ticket), former president of the Court of Audit (for the FPÖ) Minister for Finance - Hartwig Loger, ÖVP, insurance manager Minister for Education - Heinz Faßmann, ÖVP, vice principal of the university of vienna Minister for Economy - Margarethe Schramböck, ÖVP, telecom manager Minister for Women, Youth and Family - Juliane Bogner-Strauß, ÖVP, molecular biologist Vice Chancellor, Sports and Civil Servants - Heinz-Christian Strache, FPÖ, party career, former Nazi activist Minister for inner affairs - Herbert Kickl, FPÖ, party career Minister for Infrastructure - Norbert Hofer, FPÖ, party career, known for his close defeat in the last presidential election Minister for defense - Mario Kunasek, FPÖ, party career, corporal and author in a far-right magazine Minister for social security and health - FPÖ Beate Hartinger, party and state career Minister for foreign affairs - partyless (FPÖ ticket) Karin Kneissl, Middle East expert, known for pissing off arabs and jews alike The ÖVP ministers for finance, education, economy and women all come as a surpirse. It is said that there were many last minute rejections in the ÖVP and that's why chancellor-to-be Sebastian Kurz hired all sorts of experts on short notice. This has potential to become a conflict with the federal leaders of the ÖVP in the longrun. Justice minister Josef Moser was said to become finance minister, but the ÖVP bosses of the federal states did not accept him as such (as he wants to cut their power and as a finance minister he would be in charge of their budgets). Norbert Hofer was set to become foreign minister, but president Van der Bellen did not want anyone from the inner FPÖ circle in that position. There has been quite some outrage about Herbert Kickl becoming minister for inner affairs, because president Van der Bellen said he would pay close attention to this ministry. Kickl is the strategical mastermind of the FPÖ (being paid a 5 digit income from the FPÖ in addition to his usual political income, to put his importance for the FPÖ into numbers), infamous for his very aggressive speeches and propaganda and therefore sometimes referred to as Joseph Kickls (referring to Joseph Goebbels). | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 16 2017 23:53 Big J wrote: + Show Spoiler + The new Austrian government, taking over on monday: Chancellor - Sebastian Kurz, ÖVP, party career Chancellory minister, European issues - Gernot Blümel, ÖVP, party career Minister for Agriculture, Ecology, Tourism - Elisabeth Köstinger, ÖVP, party career Minister for Justice and Reforms - Josef Moser, partyless (ÖVP ticket), former president of the Court of Audit (for the FPÖ) Minister for Finance - Hartwig Loger, ÖVP, insurance manager Minister for Education - Heinz Faßmann, ÖVP, vice principal of the university of vienna Minister for Economy - Margarethe Schramböck, ÖVP, telecom manager Minister for Women, Youth and Family - Juliane Bogner-Strauß, ÖVP, molecular biologist Vice Chancellor, Sports and Civil Servants - Heinz-Christian Strache, FPÖ, party career, former Nazi activist Minister for inner affairs - Herbert Kickl, FPÖ, party career Minister for Infrastructure - Norbert Hofer, FPÖ, party career, known for his close defeat in the last presidential election Minister for defense - Mario Kunasek, FPÖ, party career, corporal and author in a far-right magazine Minister for social security and health - FPÖ Beate Hartinger, party and state career Minister for foreign affairs - partyless (FPÖ ticket) Karin Kneissl, Middle East expert, known for pissing off arabs and jews alike The ÖVP ministers for finance, education, economy and women all come as a surpirse. It is said that there were many last minute rejections in the ÖVP and that's why chancellor-to-be Sebastian Kurz hired all sorts of experts on short notice. This has potential to become a conflict with the federal leaders of the ÖVP in the longrun. Justice minister Josef Moser was said to become finance minister, but the ÖVP bosses of the federal states did not accept him as such (as he wants to cut their power and as a finance minister he would be in charge of their budgets). Norbert Hofer was set to become foreign minister, but president Van der Bellen did not want anyone from the inner FPÖ circle in that position. There has been quite some outrage about Herbert Kickl becoming minister for inner affairs, because president Van der Bellen said he would pay close attention to this ministry. Kickl is the strategical mastermind of the FPÖ (being paid a 5 digit income from the FPÖ in addition to his usual political income, to put his importance for the FPÖ into numbers), infamous for his very aggressive speeches and propaganda and therefore sometimes referred to as Joseph Kickls (referring to Joseph Goebbels). All my condolences. This looks disastrous. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 16 2017 23:53 Big J wrote: The new Austrian government, taking over on monday: Chancellor - Sebastian Kurz, ÖVP, party career Chancellory minister, European issues - Gernot Blümel, ÖVP, party career Minister for Agriculture, Ecology, Tourism - Elisabeth Köstinger, ÖVP, party career Minister for Justice and Reforms - Josef Moser, partyless (ÖVP ticket), former president of the Court of Audit (for the FPÖ) Minister for Finance - Hartwig Loger, ÖVP, insurance manager Minister for Education - Heinz Faßmann, ÖVP, vice principal of the university of vienna Minister for Economy - Margarethe Schramböck, ÖVP, telecom manager Minister for Women, Youth and Family - Juliane Bogner-Strauß, ÖVP, molecular biologist Vice Chancellor, Sports and Civil Servants - Heinz-Christian Strache, FPÖ, party career, former Nazi activist Minister for inner affairs - Herbert Kickl, FPÖ, party career Minister for Infrastructure - Norbert Hofer, FPÖ, party career, known for his close defeat in the last presidential election Minister for defense - Mario Kunasek, FPÖ, party career, corporal and author in a far-right magazine Minister for social security and health - FPÖ Beate Hartinger, party and state career Minister for foreign affairs - partyless (FPÖ ticket) Karin Kneissl, Middle East expert, known for pissing off arabs and jews alike The ÖVP ministers for finance, education, economy and women all come as a surpirse. It is said that there were many last minute rejections in the ÖVP and that's why chancellor-to-be Sebastian Kurz hired all sorts of experts on short notice. This has potential to become a conflict with the federal leaders of the ÖVP in the longrun. Justice minister Josef Moser was said to become finance minister, but the ÖVP bosses of the federal states did not accept him as such (as he wants to cut their power and as a finance minister he would be in charge of their budgets). Norbert Hofer was set to become foreign minister, but president Van der Bellen did not want anyone from the inner FPÖ circle in that position. There has been quite some outrage about Herbert Kickl becoming minister for inner affairs, because president Van der Bellen said he would pay close attention to this ministry. Kickl is the strategical mastermind of the FPÖ (being paid a 5 digit income from the FPÖ in addition to his usual political income, to put his importance for the FPÖ into numbers), infamous for his very aggressive speeches and propaganda and therefore sometimes referred to as Joseph Kickls (referring to Joseph Goebbels). Sounds like the electorate finally had enough and wanted to shake things up a little. I wonder what the Austrian capacity is to stomach some of this in the transition. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18611 Posts
On December 17 2017 04:04 TheDwf wrote: All my condolences. This looks disastrous. I doubt you said something negative in the last elections and that set of ministers was disastrous | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 17 2017 10:08 sharkie wrote: I doubt you said something negative in the last elections and that set of ministers was disastrous Can't do anything for you if you don't get the specificity of the far-right, or the horrible symbol of having a former nazi in the government | ||
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sharkie
Austria18611 Posts
On December 17 2017 20:03 TheDwf wrote: Can't do anything for you if you don't get the specificity of the far-right, or the horrible symbol of having a former nazi in the government The whole political landscape in Austria was built on top of former nazis... I am pissed at the current government already because of the no smoke-ban. But I am under no illusion that our previous one was better or that another term of ÖVP/SPÖ would have been a saving grace. At the moment we can just wait and see what they are going to do. | ||
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