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On December 14 2017 00:10 Dav1oN wrote:
Nobody said it should be a sudder transition, it does not work with humans. Providing
But yea, it needs to be done eventually in every state of Europe, not only in Germany. And considering modern tendency with educating systems in EU - english is a perfect fit for a common language.
Or imagine it is possible to communicate officially both in German and English in your local governmental structures, is it bad?
In our Parlament, national and local, everyone tends to give his speeches in his mother tongue.
Some translators will make good money, but its not like this isn't happening allready.
Imho this is just an absolute non factor.
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On December 14 2017 00:41 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 00:10 Dav1oN wrote:
Nobody said it should be a sudder transition, it does not work with humans. Providing
But yea, it needs to be done eventually in every state of Europe, not only in Germany. And considering modern tendency with educating systems in EU - english is a perfect fit for a common language.
Or imagine it is possible to communicate officially both in German and English in your local governmental structures, is it bad? In our Parlament, national and local, everyone tends to give his speeches in his mother tongue. Some translators will make good money, but its not like this isn't happening allready. Imho this is just an absolute non factor.
Sure, but Swedes, Danes and Romanians aren't allowed to use their mother tounge in the EU parlament, putting those countries at a disadvantage. If they will have to make do with English, why can't Germany and France? It's quite understsndable if it's a non factor to a Swiss.
I know I'm being overly critcal of Germany and I'm fully aware any change is far way off. Still, it's one of these issues that will have to be adressed sooner or later.
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On December 14 2017 01:11 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 00:41 Velr wrote:On December 14 2017 00:10 Dav1oN wrote:
Nobody said it should be a sudder transition, it does not work with humans. Providing
But yea, it needs to be done eventually in every state of Europe, not only in Germany. And considering modern tendency with educating systems in EU - english is a perfect fit for a common language.
Or imagine it is possible to communicate officially both in German and English in your local governmental structures, is it bad? In our Parlament, national and local, everyone tends to give his speeches in his mother tongue. Some translators will make good money, but its not like this isn't happening allready. Imho this is just an absolute non factor. Sure, but Swedes, Danes and Romanians aren't allowed to use their mother tounge in the EU parlament, putting those countries at a disadvantage. If they will have to make do with English, why can't Germany and France? It's quite understsndable if it's a non factor to a Swiss. I know I'm being overly critcal of Germany and I'm fully aware any change is far way off. Still, it's one of these issues that will have to be adressed sooner or later.
Every country represented in the EP is allowed to use its own language. There are translators to translate what the other Members of parliament are saying on the spot. Official documents have translations too.
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Thanks for sharing, seems like I'm talking rubbish. I withdraw from the discussion as a wiser man!
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Maybe we can make a poll to see what people here tends to think about language perspective?
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About what exactly? I don't see anything potentially controversial on the last two pages.
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Have important documents translated to every language. Simple stuff to 3-4?
Problem solved
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What. That's already EU procedure.
Every nation has translators so politicians can write their speeches and have them translated to English or French for the matter.
And they can have simultaneous interpreting for the speeches of other MEPs...
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So, no issue at all. Why make one.
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On December 14 2017 03:18 Velr wrote:
So, no issue at all. Why make one.
Because rawr europe bad.
Despite not knowing what they are talking about.
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What issue? Longshank admitted to be wrong, I don't understand what are the 3 posters above me are talking about.
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The next "eu relations" vote in switzerland will come and i'm scared...
Cause "immigrants" by witch they mean eritreans (sp) and "theytukrjbs"...
And the big rightwing party having money and the others not..
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On December 14 2017 03:38 Sent. wrote:
What issue? Longshank admitted to be wrong, I don't understand what are the 3 posters above me are talking about.
That's on me jumping posts. ma bad.
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I thought Germans are already reasonably good at English. What's the problem? I've not met a German yet who would tell me that they couldn't exchange a few messages in English. We don't have to be like Scandinavia.
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yes I still don't see how that is anything other than an invented problem to push some kind of culture warrior course. Modern nation states with their monolingual culture are a fairly new invention. It's not like there have never been vast countries that are host to people speaking a ton of languages. In fact that's pretty much the norm in many places on the planet.
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On December 14 2017 05:02 sc-darkness wrote:
I thought Germans are already reasonably good at English. What's the problem? I've not met a German yet who would tell me that they couldn't exchange a few messages in English. We don't have to be like Scandinavia.
english proficiency by nation:
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Obviously the usual rules apply:
If you're talking to an 80year old lady at the local bakery in a 5k population village chances are she won't be able to speak english.
If you're talking to someone reasonably young it's going to be muuuuuch more than 62.35% of the population being able to have a conversation.
Quite frankly (I know this has already been retracted), this idea that Germans refuse to talk english is just nonsense.
As already shown, people in the EP do talk in english even if they have the option to talk in their native tongue and I'd argue that kind of speech/conversation is on a different level than a quick conversation here on TL or on the streets.
I don't even know where that idea came from. Germany or Germans were never particular infamous for refusing to talk English, I'd say quite the opposite.
Maybe the comment was about changing the official language in Germany to English and people being against that? But I'd assume that's generally the case in most nations.
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Some new research published about global inequality:
My two personal favorites:
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Just read the German article on it. Germany has reached a 1913 state of inequality.
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By the way, you can find many more graphs on https://twitter.com/wid_inequality
A factor which is too often ignored when trying to explain unstability in the Middle East, instead of the empty/simplistic culturalist explanations.
Also nice and encouraging to see that (most of) Europe is already fed up with growing inequalities, even if it's "less worse" than elsewhere.
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