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On November 26 2006 10:44 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2006 10:42 Cloud wrote:
If the guy with the bat doesnt knock out the knife guy in the first 2-3 blows, hes as good as dead. People dont recover from blows with a bat, if you get hit with a bat you will be on the ground unless the guy swinging it is a pussy it doexnt matter where they hit you really, unless it was in your arm which in that case that arm would probably be broken and goopd luck trying to grab a bat full swing from someone with 1 arm and stab with the other, its just not happening
A fight to the death, the guy with the knife is charging at the other guy with the most speed he can, the guy with the bat swings, the other blocks with his arm, or ducks if the swing is too high, the bat probably breaks the arm, but the speed alone the other guy had will be enough to thrust the unblockable knife into him.
Now, how difficult is it to swing hard enough to knock out the other guy while stabbed than it is to continuosly stab him with your other arm broken and probably sore on other parts of the body.
Now that i think about it, in those conditions if the bat guy doesnt knock out the knife guy in the first blow hes as good as dead.
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if this is based on real life just ask yourself one question
Someone tries to rob a convenience store with a butterfly knife, a man pulls out a baseball bat from behind the counter, who runs away?
thats right, good ol american baseball > that piece of shit butterfly knife
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take the bat, step away abit, crouch just a bit, and and when he tries to move go for the legs, lets see him try to dodge a baseball bat to the knees.
And i dont think charging full speed would help, if you get smacked on your arm with a baseball bat full force i think ur just gonna go down, u cant *block with arm* ur acting like it doesent hurt or doesent knock you sideways
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if you get hit with a bat you are going to be on the floor, a knife wouldnt do much for you while we are on the floor
If we are talking real life situations bat easily > knife, just askyourself personally if you would feel comfortable taking on someone with a knife whos weidling a baseball bat
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On November 26 2006 10:52 Sadist wrote:
if this is based on real life just ask yourself one question
Someone tries to rob a convenience store with a butterfly knife, a man pulls out a baseball bat from behind the counter, who runs away?
thats right, good ol american baseball > that piece of shit butterfly knife
Erm no, i dont think so.
Since youre just giving stupid examples how about this one:
You, unarmed, with no training at all and whatever, would prefer fighting a guy with a knife, in which a single injury could mean death, or a guy with a bat when broken bones can be mended.
And a knife wouldnt do much for you when you are on the floor?
Wtf you dont need basically any strenght to thrust a knife into someones flesh, its the bat that is useless once you get stabbed.
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On November 26 2006 10:47 Way wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2006 10:44 Polemarch wrote:On November 26 2006 10:37 Way wrote:
like i said, what kind of panzy is holding this bat if its too heavy and slow for him, weight is hardly the factor in consideration
its about length as mentioned earlier, that's my main point, you gona get ur brain wacked or arm wacked, and not like the bat guy is just going to stand there and not try to dodge all the lame ass jab attempts, and when you get hit first how fast are you going to recover to lunge at him with your small little knife? once he does the damage he's already got the upper hand and can defend either by dodging/running etc,
there is no instant counter attack like playing street fighter on your playstation it's not that the bat guy is unable to carry the bat, geez. it's that he has to wind up and swing it with lots of momentum. that's what makes it slower. bringing swords and bows into this question is like talking about a blessed +3 quarterstaff... pointless. same thing, its neglecting your stupid argument about momentum, because the same can be said for the sword, length is a greater factor than your momentum idea you dont need to land a killing blow on your first strike you land a blow with the bat and already the knife guy is at a disadvantage and has to recover and try to aim and hit on target
you do need a first killing blow with the bat, or you're dead. nyovne and cloud have said it better than i did.
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knife could go to the organs to kill, if gets ur leg or arm its just a wound, a broken skull means death too, and a bat to the kidneys, stomac, liver, or other organs coudl proly kill too
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Sadist that example isn't exactly relevant because the robber isn't looking to kill the convenience store clerk (and therefore face murder charges), he's just looking for an easy victim - him wielding the knife 90% is just posturing and a bluff (so if the convenience store clerk raises him with the intention of going to a fight, he'll most likely back down)
This is a fight to the death, where one of them will die. There is definitely a psychological edge for the person with the bat, because most people don't really have a hard time hitting hard with the bat, while with the knife most people would be more "hesitant" to use it in a deadly life-killing way.
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On November 26 2006 10:54 Cloud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2006 10:52 Sadist wrote:
if this is based on real life just ask yourself one question
Someone tries to rob a convenience store with a butterfly knife, a man pulls out a baseball bat from behind the counter, who runs away?
thats right, good ol american baseball > that piece of shit butterfly knife Erm no, i dont think so. Since youre just giving stupid examples how about this one: You, unarmed, with no training at all and whatever, would prefer fighting a guy with a knife, in which a single injury could mean death, or a guy with a bat when broken bones can be mended. And a knife wouldnt do much for you when you are on the floor? Wtf you dont need basically any strenght to thrust a knife into someones flesh, its the bat that is useless once you get stabbed.
people recover from stab wounds
people have brain damage from baseball bat shot to the head
both are deadly, but if i was worknig at a store and someone tried to rob me with a knife and i had a baseball bat you better believe theyd run away or get knocke dthe fuck out
and if you get hit with a baseball bat full force at all believe me you will be on the ground i dont care how strong you are or think you are, an average person(if this is what we are discussing) would get completely destroyed if they tried to use a knife against a bat, they are ninjas or something. And if you are going to block my bat with yoru arm, i will dodge your knife with my body, and pull my bat back and beat your ass. Go ahead, throw your knife, ill knock it straight back into your face barry bonds style
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On November 26 2006 10:53 Sadist wrote:
if you get hit with a bat you are going to be on the floor, a knife wouldnt do much for you while we are on the floor
If we are talking real life situations bat easily > knife, just askyourself personally if you would feel comfortable taking on someone with a knife whos weidling a baseball bat
i wouldn't feel comfortable with it because i don't want to kill anyone, and i know there's a good chance of me taking a hit and getting an arm broken or something. but if i'm determined to kill you with the knife, i know i could do it.
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On November 26 2006 10:59 Polemarch wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2006 10:53 Sadist wrote:
if you get hit with a bat you are going to be on the floor, a knife wouldnt do much for you while we are on the floor
If we are talking real life situations bat easily > knife, just askyourself personally if you would feel comfortable taking on someone with a knife whos weidling a baseball bat i wouldn't feel comfortable with it because i don't want to kill anyone, and i know there's a good chance of me taking a hit and getting an arm broken or something. but if i'm determined to kill you with the knife, i know i could do it.
YAAAAAA RIGHT
youd have to sneak up on me or something, because if i see you coming with a bat you are going to be crippled for the rest of your life if you lunge at me with a knife
The biggest misconception in this thread is that people think you can take a full force shot from a baseball bat and not be staggered in the least bit and continue what you are doing, if you get hit full force you will be on the ground and thats all there is to it honestly. If you get hit in the arm you will still fall over, people dont chop with bats, if you block with your arm it would still hit you in the head from the force if you tried to block high, and if you blocked your midscection youd get hit in your ribs and immediately collapse to the ground
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On November 26 2006 10:59 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2006 10:54 Cloud wrote:On November 26 2006 10:52 Sadist wrote:
if this is based on real life just ask yourself one question
Someone tries to rob a convenience store with a butterfly knife, a man pulls out a baseball bat from behind the counter, who runs away?
thats right, good ol american baseball > that piece of shit butterfly knife Erm no, i dont think so. Since youre just giving stupid examples how about this one: You, unarmed, with no training at all and whatever, would prefer fighting a guy with a knife, in which a single injury could mean death, or a guy with a bat when broken bones can be mended. And a knife wouldnt do much for you when you are on the floor? Wtf you dont need basically any strenght to thrust a knife into someones flesh, its the bat that is useless once you get stabbed. people recover from stab wounds people have brain damage from baseball bat shot to the head both are deadly, but if i was worknig at a store and someone tried to rob me with a knife and i had a baseball bat you better believe theyd run away or get knocke dthe fuck out
People of equal strength wont do more than break the arms bones when swinging, and they wont be able to swing hard enough to stop the momentum from the guy with the knife who was just running with all his strenght.
And also, a stab is always more dangerous than a baseball bat blow.
Brain damage from getting a blow in the head, how about getting your brain stabbed, brain damage too?
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for the knife to be used to its full potential the person has to have some kind of training, the bat does not, any retard can swing, its just about keeping distance, and you dont only have the bat, kicking is also a good way for keeping distance
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On November 26 2006 11:02 Cloud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2006 10:59 Sadist wrote:On November 26 2006 10:54 Cloud wrote:On November 26 2006 10:52 Sadist wrote:
if this is based on real life just ask yourself one question
Someone tries to rob a convenience store with a butterfly knife, a man pulls out a baseball bat from behind the counter, who runs away?
thats right, good ol american baseball > that piece of shit butterfly knife Erm no, i dont think so. Since youre just giving stupid examples how about this one: You, unarmed, with no training at all and whatever, would prefer fighting a guy with a knife, in which a single injury could mean death, or a guy with a bat when broken bones can be mended. And a knife wouldnt do much for you when you are on the floor? Wtf you dont need basically any strenght to thrust a knife into someones flesh, its the bat that is useless once you get stabbed. people recover from stab wounds people have brain damage from baseball bat shot to the head both are deadly, but if i was worknig at a store and someone tried to rob me with a knife and i had a baseball bat you better believe theyd run away or get knocke dthe fuck out People of equal strength wont do more than break the arms bones when swinging, and they wont be able to swing hard enough to stop the momentum from the guy with the knife who was just running with all his strenght. And also, a stab is always more dangerous than a baseball bat blow. Brain damage from getting a blow in the head, how about getting your brain stabbed, brain damage too?
if you charge at someone with a knife you will get hit in the face by the bat and be out cold, you cant block that sorry and odds are the persons knife would not pierce a persons skull so you better aim for something else.
People here arent thinking logically at all and have seen one too many bruce lee movies
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the knife person has to know some vital points to stab for maximum efficiency, a stab is not a killing blow just like that, you could take it in the torso and still it does not mean a organ would be hit, the bat doesent search organs, but bones, and bones are everywhere ^^
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On November 26 2006 11:05 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2006 11:02 Cloud wrote:On November 26 2006 10:59 Sadist wrote:On November 26 2006 10:54 Cloud wrote:On November 26 2006 10:52 Sadist wrote:
if this is based on real life just ask yourself one question
Someone tries to rob a convenience store with a butterfly knife, a man pulls out a baseball bat from behind the counter, who runs away?
thats right, good ol american baseball > that piece of shit butterfly knife Erm no, i dont think so. Since youre just giving stupid examples how about this one: You, unarmed, with no training at all and whatever, would prefer fighting a guy with a knife, in which a single injury could mean death, or a guy with a bat when broken bones can be mended. And a knife wouldnt do much for you when you are on the floor? Wtf you dont need basically any strenght to thrust a knife into someones flesh, its the bat that is useless once you get stabbed. people recover from stab wounds people have brain damage from baseball bat shot to the head both are deadly, but if i was worknig at a store and someone tried to rob me with a knife and i had a baseball bat you better believe theyd run away or get knocke dthe fuck out People of equal strength wont do more than break the arms bones when swinging, and they wont be able to swing hard enough to stop the momentum from the guy with the knife who was just running with all his strenght. And also, a stab is always more dangerous than a baseball bat blow. Brain damage from getting a blow in the head, how about getting your brain stabbed, brain damage too? if you charge at someone with a knife you will get hit in the face by the bat and be out cold, you cant block that sorry and odds are the persons knife would not pierce a persons skull so you better aim for something else. People here arent thinking logically at all and have seen one too many bruce lee movies
Its not like its impossible to duck from a swing to the head.
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i think going for the legs would be better than the head, somewhere knee height, thats not so easy to avoid
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On November 26 2006 11:07 Cloud wrote:
Its not like its impossible to duck from a swing to the head.
while lunging?
Just ask yourself about this, no one in their right mind would even try to attack someone with a knife when the other person has a bat unless they were a trained fighter. Youve got to be retarded to be the average person and even try that
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grab the bat with one hand then lunge with the knife. It sure as hell will hurt one hand but stab > hit with bat
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wait, how are you supose to grab the bat, the bat guy stands about 2 feet from you, if you try to come close who is to say he is going for the arms, head, or whatever, why not legs, groin, somekinda chep shot
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