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Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
November 26 2006 02:30 GMT
#101
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_E._Fairbairn this guy considers the club superior the the knife.


http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:FtxRfRnCpdYJ:www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-10330.html knife vs baseball bat&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=5

I know that is just some random asshole claiming that previous guy thinks this, but why would he lie?
an overdeveloped sense of self preservation
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7225 Posts
November 26 2006 02:30 GMT
#102
On November 26 2006 11:29 Polemarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2006 11:27 Spike wrote:
who is seriously suggesting that a knife > bat when both persons are of equal skill?
who the hell charges against a bat with a knife
even if the knife guy goes buck wild and charges in, it's not 100% that he would 1 hit kill the bat wielder.


it's the other way around... the bat needs to one-hit kill

because otherwise once they get in close, the bat guy is DEAD.

if charging in with the knife isn't something most people wouldn't do, it's only because they're not imagining themselves in a fight to the death.


we're talking about average people here, try reading the posts above you, and you dont need to oen hit kill, you will be staggered like a motherfucker if you get hit with a bat or you will get the wind knocked out of you OR you will get knocked down or knocked out or die.

If you are on the ground or staggered at all its over
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Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
November 26 2006 02:31 GMT
#103
but yeah, don't throw the knife. again, we're talking about a fight to the death
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Spike
Profile Joined October 2003
United States1392 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-26 02:35:23
November 26 2006 02:35 GMT
#104
On November 26 2006 11:29 Polemarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2006 11:27 Spike wrote:
who is seriously suggesting that a knife > bat when both persons are of equal skill?
who the hell charges against a bat with a knife
even if the knife guy goes buck wild and charges in, it's not 100% that he would 1 hit kill the bat wielder.


it's the other way around... the bat needs to one-hit kill

because otherwise once they get in close, the bat guy is DEAD.

if charging in with the knife isn't something most people wouldn't do, it's only because they're not imagining themselves in a fight to the death.


a bat isn't a 1 hit kill weapon and doesn't need to be one either.
depending on the persons strength, it can break bones, knock you back, stun, etc
a good hit with a bit will leave the knife holder in disarray.

sadist beat me to it
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
November 26 2006 02:35 GMT
#105
in the end its just proly a thing of preference, it take the bat coz i feel more comforatable with it, its suits my fighting style better
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
racebannon
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada1225 Posts
November 26 2006 02:38 GMT
#106
If they both knew how to fight the knife would win. It's a lot easier to into kill range with it than people think. Besides, the only thing that Bas Rutten fears in street fights are knives, so that's my choice
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besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
November 26 2006 02:40 GMT
#107
uh, bas is a mean bastard, rspkt
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10490 Posts
November 26 2006 02:42 GMT
#108
On November 26 2006 11:21 Polemarch wrote:
how are people arguing for the bat imagining the guy with the bat holding it?

i'm picturing standing with it wound up like a baseball batter; and standing facing about 45 degrees towards the knife guy


Yup that seems to be what everyone is doing. As if the bat guy is just some retarded lug that can't move and only has one shot. He can side-step, back up, jab with the bat, swing with the bat, etc.

If you think you can just put your left arm up and charge him, the bat guy will simply switch hands with the bad and smash your face in with a left-handed swing. Even if he is not left-handed, it doesn't take much force to break a face with a baseball bat.
Way
Profile Joined September 2006
Canada565 Posts
November 26 2006 02:42 GMT
#109
if the bat guy doesnt kill on the first blow he's dead - stupid ass remark, not even going to comment on this

knife wound > bat hit - depends where, whats with all you people that play too much video games or read up on all this ninja shit, you guys are making it sound like if you get stabbed once with a knife you're as good as dead. It can hurt like a bitch but the stun a bat will give you I guarantee is more than enough, that and I think its a given the bat wielder will get the first shot at you. If you stab my arm and i whack your stupid ass head with a bat, what are you going to be doing?

If you want to talk about all this charge to the death shit, if you charge at someone like a dumbmotherfuk, how difficult you think it will be to dodge your stupid ass attack and whack you to death at the same time
Way
Profile Joined September 2006
Canada565 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-26 02:47:04
November 26 2006 02:46 GMT
#110
On November 26 2006 11:42 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2006 11:21 Polemarch wrote:
how are people arguing for the bat imagining the guy with the bat holding it?

i'm picturing standing with it wound up like a baseball batter; and standing facing about 45 degrees towards the knife guy


Yup that seems to be what everyone is doing. As if the bat guy is just some retarded lug that can't move and only has one shot. He can side-step, back up, jab with the bat, swing with the bat, etc.

If you think you can just put your left arm up and charge him, the bat guy will simply switch hands with the bad and smash your face in with a left-handed swing. Even if he is not left-handed, it doesn't take much force to break a face with a baseball bat.


wound up like a batter? you watch too much ESPN or something, any non scrawny guy can hold a bat with 1 hand or any stance he chooses

if you want to argue stupidly like this, i ll degrade to your level

weee, i ll be creative, i picture your butterfly knife guy set up wearing an apron and holding a cutting board doing cooking in the kitchen like a live at home mommy

edit: just adding on to what blackjack is saying, but he got it covered good already
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
November 26 2006 02:58 GMT
#111
Well, given regular people, its most likely will depend on luck.
Whoever defends has the advantage.
If you attack with your bat and miss youre wide open.
If you attack with your bat and hit him, in a place or a manner that doesnt impair him much, youre wide open.
If you attack him with a knife youll most likely get your hands broken.

An even ended stick would be so much more usefull in a situation like this. Bat is a one hit weapon, because if this hit goes wrong, you need time to recover from swing, and get it back in a swing position. And to whoever said one knife would doesnt kill you, well, youre wrong. If the knifer got close enough to stab you, why should he go back? He got close, you cant swing, youre dead.
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
November 26 2006 02:58 GMT
#112
On November 26 2006 11:28 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2006 11:26 Cloud wrote:
On November 26 2006 11:22 BeSiGeR wrote:
not everyone knows how to throw a knife, and it could miss too


You dont need to know how to throw a knife, missing a throw when hes that close is retarded, just take a well balanced knife like that one, throw it against a wall or whatever, and you will see that its not so damn hard to throw a knife.



youd better make sure it lands in his throat or cuts a nerve or something otherwise you will be fucked


Lands on the throat? Cuts a nerve? This isnt a fucking sharpened pencil dude, any area near the chest where a knife hits you is mortal.

And once your knife lands on him, your fists and feet will prove much stronger than a stabbed guy with a bat
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
November 26 2006 03:01 GMT
#113
On November 26 2006 11:46 Way wrote:

weee, i ll be creative, i picture your butterfly knife guy set up wearing an apron and holding a cutting board doing cooking in the kitchen like a live at home mommy



Yeah, cos thats what butterfly knives are usually used for.
=/
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
November 26 2006 03:05 GMT
#114
On November 26 2006 11:42 Way wrote:
if the bat guy doesnt kill on the first blow he's dead - stupid ass remark, not even going to comment on this

knife wound > bat hit - depends where, whats with all you people that play too much video games or read up on all this ninja shit, you guys are making it sound like if you get stabbed once with a knife you're as good as dead. It can hurt like a bitch but the stun a bat will give you I guarantee is more than enough, that and I think its a given the bat wielder will get the first shot at you. If you stab my arm and i whack your stupid ass head with a bat, what are you going to be doing?

If you want to talk about all this charge to the death shit, if you charge at someone like a dumbmotherfuk, how difficult you think it will be to dodge your stupid ass attack and whack you to death at the same time


Youre the one that plays too many ninja games, just dodge a guy who is sprinting at full speed at you with a knife? Yeah because its so easy, right? you dumbfuck.

And yeah, a knife would hurt like a bitch, would hurt MUCH more than a swing towards any part of the body that you can BLOCK.

And whats so retarded about "If the bat guy doesnt knock out the knife guy in the first blow hes as good as dead", once the knife guy is on top of him after the first swing, bat is no longer useful and its a knife vs whatever is left of the other guy.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20019 Posts
November 26 2006 03:07 GMT
#115
On November 26 2006 12:05 Cloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2006 11:42 Way wrote:
if the bat guy doesnt kill on the first blow he's dead - stupid ass remark, not even going to comment on this

knife wound > bat hit - depends where, whats with all you people that play too much video games or read up on all this ninja shit, you guys are making it sound like if you get stabbed once with a knife you're as good as dead. It can hurt like a bitch but the stun a bat will give you I guarantee is more than enough, that and I think its a given the bat wielder will get the first shot at you. If you stab my arm and i whack your stupid ass head with a bat, what are you going to be doing?

If you want to talk about all this charge to the death shit, if you charge at someone like a dumbmotherfuk, how difficult you think it will be to dodge your stupid ass attack and whack you to death at the same time


Youre the one that plays too many ninja games, just dodge a guy who is sprinting at full speed at you with a knife? Yeah because its so easy, right? you dumbfuck.

And yeah, a knife would hurt like a bitch, would hurt MUCH more than a swing towards any part of the body that you can BLOCK.

And whats so retarded about "If the bat guy doesnt knock out the knife guy in the first blow hes as good as dead", once the knife guy is on top of him after the first swing, bat is no longer useful and its a knife vs whatever is left of the other guy.

If a guy is sprinting at me with a knife, i'm going to fucking move and hit him in the back of the head with my bat.

I would love to see you "block" a swinging bat and be unrattled enough to continue your attack with the knife.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10490 Posts
November 26 2006 03:11 GMT
#116
It's not that hard to dodge a person with a knife when you have a 3-foot bat to use as a buffer zone. Google: Stiff arm
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-26 03:13:14
November 26 2006 03:12 GMT
#117
Have you ever been in a fight or seen it, decaf?, when theres a guy that suddenly runs at you 2 meters away, you dont ever get the chance to "dodge him and hit him in the head", he will in most cases be able to grab you around your waist and then knock you to the ground.


And anyone who is fighting for his fucking life will find the pain of a swinging bat towards his arm a little obstacle to stab the other guy.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
November 26 2006 03:22 GMT
#118
Would take the knife, sure a bat has longer reach, but if you just brace yourself and absorb the blow, you can disarm him, or just simply stab him in the chest a few times. Sure you will have some broken ribs, but you'll heal in time, he'll be dead.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-26 03:33:03
November 26 2006 03:25 GMT
#119
Basically, the guy on the defence has the advantage. If you're the guy with the bat, and you try to attack, you'd do so by swinging back and forth, which would allow openings due to the recovery time of swinging a heavy object at a high velocity. Those of you who say "it is only 4 lbs at most" aren't factoring in the speed and torque at which a bat is swung. Angular momentum is greater than you'd think for an object with the length of a bat. If you are gonig for damage, you're swinging the thing FAST and hard, otherwise it is quiet useless. So the bat's swing must be dead on and precise.

But then again, the knife guy doesn't want to get hit, because if it he gets hit and doesn't manage to inflict damage on the bat guy, he's at a major disadvantage. Imagine being hit, then bat guy managing to get away from knife guy and then back to square one. Of course, that really only applies when knife guy charges or if the bat guy manages to get a clean hit while attacking, which seems fairly unlikely.

Most people here seem to assume the knife is the first to attack, probably based on a real life situations where the "knife" is often the aggressor because it is a deadly weapon, but the person who is on defence in this senario is one with the upper hand.

That said, it is far easier to inflict battle winning damage with a knife than a bat. Meaning, there is less room for error once you are within striking distance. If the bat man will mess up 40-60% of the time with this swing against a charging knife guy, he's dead everytime he messes up. But the knife guy will be victorious 100% when he gets within striking distance and does his thing.

Assuming both know it is for death, I'd give it to the knife man. If it is a normal street fight, I'd give it to the bat because noboday wants a broken arm and a homocide trial awaiting them. It just takes a lot more for a man to knowingly BREAK his own arm and then STAB another man than it takes just to swing a bat at somebody's body, although a headstrike would take a lot. So basically it gets down to the psychology of it.

Oh, and I'd like to add that the sword analogy doesn't apply because a sword is a deadly weapon which one hit gaurantees victory while the same doesn't apply for a bat. It's like saying the knife guy having a pair of chopsticks is the same thing -- it really isn't.

EDIT: Okay, I'm thinking about it more, and the knife guy for sure. The bat guy doesn't know for sure WHEN the knife guy may attack (he has to defend because attacking is suicidal here). So if you picture it, the bat guy must have the bat cocked back waiting for the opportunity to strike. He swings too early and he's done for and he knows it. If he swings late or not hard enough, he's done. There's just too much "perfect" to do. The knife guy can fake a few times and then jump in. The surprise of it usually would allow the swing to be less than full force. I'd say the best way to use the bat may even to use the butt of it and bring it down on the knife assalients head if he gets in that close without bat guy taking a swing yet, and try to knock him out or just temprary ground the guy, even if it means taking a shot in the stomach with the knife. Then it's just a matter of stabbing the knife guy with his open weapon when he's out for a while -- but this is a really dependent on where you get stabbed -- a heart strike would be fatal fast.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
November 26 2006 03:27 GMT
#120
On November 26 2006 12:22 NotSorry wrote:
Would take the knife, sure a bat has longer reach, but if you just brace yourself and absorb the blow, you can disarm him, or just simply stab him in the chest a few times. Sure you will have some broken ribs, but you'll heal in time, he'll be dead.


lol "absorb the blow"

easy to say
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