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Polemarch
Canada1564 Posts
The bat's damage is weak unless you have tons of momentum. With a sword, it doesn't really matter how hard you're slicing off someone's head. But to build up enough momentum to have a deadly bat swing, you have to wind up alot, which means it's slower and that you're much less adaptable than with a sword. | ||
Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
Personally, I might be better off with the knife. But I can't comment on the average male adult because I have no idea how easily a guy like that can wield a baseball bat (and I imagine most other people here shouldn't comment on it either). | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On November 26 2006 12:59 pyrogenetix wrote: id take knife you need to swing bat really hard at head to fracture skull = kill or swing hard at ribs to break ribs = kill or swing hard at legs and break legs = no mobility and then kill but knife stab into the sides of the body, neck, thigh and then twist knife when inside wound = gg no re bleeding just block his bat swing and break your forearm and then counter stab, he wont be able to retract bat and swing again. yea w/e rigged toss LOLZ yea k then i'll like just block his knife stab and then bleed from my forearm and then counter swing, then he wont be able to stab again. | ||
thedeadhaji
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Jathin
United States3505 Posts
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besiger
Croatia2452 Posts
[B]just block his knife stab and then bleed from my forearm and then counter swing, then he wont be able to stab again.. hahaha good one,  | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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Kochen
Denmark154 Posts
I think the knife guy would win. Klogon has already summed it up quite nice. An average guy is not able to swing the bat with sufficient force to break an arm unless he is lucky with the hit. If he is to hit with a critical bash he has to put all his power behind. If he swings too early he will lose balance for a critical second (while missing), and if he swings a little too late he will not gain enough speed. He has to time it perfect to inflict serious damage. Trust me when I say halfhearted blows with a bat is 'easily' blocked. The knife guy has all the advantage he could possibly want. He could fake some attack and catch the bat guy off-balance ( if he swings he will be offbalance - if he doesn't the knifer could rush in). When you're offbalanced for half a second, the knife guy could rush in, stab, and then grabble. If the bat had a proper handle like a sword the outcome might be very different, but it doesn't. That's one reason the sword analogy is flawed. A sword is lethal even if it's a soft hit, a bat is not. The sword is also deadly when used to stick with, very unlike a bat. Edit: so many answers while i typed  | ||
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besiger
Croatia2452 Posts
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2813 Posts
Keeps him away from you and if you get him off balance you migth have time to either connect a real hit or use a two handed grip to punch his knife/arm to the side and then nail him in the head with the other end. Basically using the bat like a rifle (although it wouldn't be as good as one). | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On November 26 2006 13:10 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: I think that using the bat as a sword and pooking the guy in the chest migth actually be a good idea. Keeps him away from you and if you get him off balance you migth have time to either connect a real hit or use a two handed grip to punch his knife/arm to the side and then nail him in the head with the other end. Basically using the bat like a rifle (although it wouldn't be as good as one). You can't poke with a bat. That's stupid: he will just grab it and then you're finished. | ||
Smurg
Australia3818 Posts
Knife, not much range, but a lot faster. Depends on personal skill. I'd use a bat with a knife attached to the end...and I'd be inside a bear suit made of kevlar: ![[image loading]](http://www.abfab.co.uk/Thumbnails/BNCC266.jpg) | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
On November 26 2006 13:07 Cambium wrote: The knife guy will definitely win. It's much easier to block a bat swing than to dodge a knife stab. As well, a stab is much more fatal. I totally disagree. If I tried to lunge at myself with a knife I would turn my hand to mush. If I went for the more traditional stabbing motion of the 1 armed hug into the gut, I would have myself beaten to the ground before I could get nearly close enough to gain leverage. As for slashing, what an awkward motion considering the range advantage of the bat wielding self. As for throwing, I'm fairly decent but I highly doubt my ability, especially with the often bottom/top (depending on construction) heavy butterfly knife. I do not see an effective attack for the knife user. I do not see an effective defense for the knife user. EDIT: I consider my size an ability slightly above an average Canadian. I'm a strong sprinter I can run 2.4km in 8 minutes no problem, I can jog indefinatly. About 30~ push-ups, sit-ups until I puke. I passed the now defunct Canadian Armed Forces fitness test no problem with my worst score being in the grip test. I'm about 5'11" and weight a bit over 160 pounds. Iunno if this is the criteria we want for the fight, and if we accept this I will certainly not claim to be an expert based on that fact that I fit the criteria. (In the spirit of fair debate.) | ||
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Way
Canada565 Posts
On November 26 2006 13:07 Kochen wrote: I would like to say that we lack certain informations. What are the starting stances, How heavy is the bat, what is a 'normal' guy? I think the knife guy would win. Klogon has already summed it up quite nice. An average guy is not able to swing the bat with sufficient force to break an arm unless he is lucky with the hit. If he is to hit with a critical bash he has to put all his power behind. If he swings too early he will lose balance for a critical second (while missing), and if he swings a little too late he will not gain enough speed. He has to time it perfect to inflict serious damage. Trust me when I say halfhearted blows with a bat is 'easily' blocked. The knife guy has all the advantage he could possibly want. He could fake some attack and catch the bat guy off-balance ( if he swings he will be offbalance - if he doesn't the knifer could rush in). When you're offbalanced for half a second, the knife guy could rush in, stab, and then grabble. If the bat had a proper handle like a sword the outcome might be very different, but it doesn't. That's one reason the sword analogy is flawed. A sword is lethal even if it's a soft hit, a bat is not. The sword is also deadly when used to stick with, very unlike a bat. Edit: so many answers while i typed again, why are you discussing the lethal difference between the sword and the bat? i've only said a million times its about the length and how that works to the advantage of the bat user ... read previous posts, too lazy to explain this now | ||
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Newbistic
China2912 Posts
One good swing of the bat, if it connects, would down the knife guy, especially if it connected with the head. If the swing was too hard and missed, batman is screwed. Otherwise, it all depends on whether or not batman's first swing connects. One it is all it takes. | ||
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Protoss-Fighting
United States814 Posts
Scenerio 1: Bat swings at you, all you do is block with your arm and stab, im sorry bat guy will not be fast enough to dodge OUT OF ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, since both players are equally fast/strong, and knfe guy has the momentum advantage. Its like knife guy has a +1, but both in the beginning are 5's 5+1 (momentum advantage) > 5. Scenerio 2. Batter crouches and goes for your legs, IF your running at them and they hit you straight up on the kneecap, you will fall forward, and with your arms reached out YOU CAN DEFINATELY stab him anywhere from his neck/chest/head. Because from your knee ---> tip of ur hand, You exceed in range as your falling towards him, he has no time to dodge,parry, HEADSHOT with a knife. If both are equally fast strong, There is no way in hell the batter is gonna get a K.O in 1 shot, all a knifer has to do is sacrifice his arm, unless the bat swing is below waist (in which it wud be hard) but then scenerio 2 reaction comes into play. | ||
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Aukai
United States1183 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
I mean I can still live for another 5 minutes after been poked in the belly by a kinfe but a blow w/ a bat to the head normally knocks you out cold straight away and then you can proceed to beat his brains out. And bat swing has automatically knock back, so each time you get hit w/ a bat you go backward/side ways away from your target ~_~ This is a classical debate, as stated in Chinese weaponary proverb: "An inch longer, an inch more of strength; An inch shorter, an inch more of danger" Which means the longer weapon has more strength(the bat) while the shorter one is more dangerous(the knife). Note the danger is in both ways for knife because you risk both of you and your opponent by getting really close ^_^ | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On November 26 2006 13:24 Aukai wrote: Umm....What if he threw the bat? I mean to throw a knife you need to be good with it and stick him, but If you put alot of momentum into a throw with a bat it doesn't matter what side hits him, then you can just walk up and kick his ass for using a punk ass knife. how heavy are those louisville sluggers anyway? o.O | ||
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