EPT
On November 26 2006 12:25 Klogon wrote:
Basically, the guy on the defence has the advantage. If you're the guy with the bat, and you try to attack, you'd do so by swinging back and forth, which would allow openings due to the recovery time of swinging a heavy object at a high velocity. Those of you who say "it is only 4 lbs at most" aren't factoring in the speed and torque at which a bat is swung. Angular momentum is greater than you'd think for an object with the length of a bat. If you are gonig for damage, you're swinging the thing FAST and hard, otherwise it is quiet useless. So the bat's swing must be dead on and precise.
But then again, the knife guy doesn't want to get hit, because if it he gets hit and doesn't manage to inflict damage on the bat guy, he's at a major disadvantage. Imagine being hit, then bat guy managing to get away from knife guy and then back to square one. Of course, that really only applies when knife guy charges or if the bat guy manages to get a clean hit while attacking, which seems fairly unlikely.
Most people here seem to assume the knife is the first to attack, probably based on a real life situations where the "knife" is often the aggressor because it is a deadly weapon, but the person who is on defence in this senario is one with the upper hand.
That said, it is far easier to inflict battle winning damage with a knife than a bat. Meaning, there is less room for error once you are within striking distance. If the bat man will mess up 40-60% of the time with this swing against a charging knife guy, he's dead everytime he messes up. But the knife guy will be victorious 100% when he gets within striking distance and does his thing.
Assuming both know it is for death, I'd give it to the knife man. If it is a normal street fight, I'd give it to the bat because noboday wants a broken arm and a homocide trial awaiting them. It just takes a lot more for a man to knowingly BREAK his own arm and then STAB another man than it takes just to swing a bat at somebody's body, although a headstrike would take a lot. So basically it gets down to the psychology of it.
Oh, and I'd like to add that the sword analogy doesn't apply because a sword is a deadly weapon which one hit gaurantees victory while the same doesn't apply for a bat. It's like saying the knife guy having a pair of chopsticks is the same thing -- it really isn't.
EDIT: Okay, I'm thinking about it more, and the knife guy for sure. The bat guy doesn't know for sure WHEN the knife guy may attack (he has to defend because attacking is suicidal here). So if you picture it, the bat guy must have the bat cocked back waiting for the opportunity to strike. He swings too early and he's done for and he knows it. If he swings late or not hard enough, he's done. There's just too much "perfect" to do. The knife guy can fake a few times and then jump in. The surprise of it usually would allow the swing to be less than full force. I'd say the best way to use the bat may even to use the butt of it and bring it down on the knife assalients head if he gets in that close without bat guy taking a swing yet, and try to knock him out or just temprary ground the guy, even if it means taking a shot in the stomach with the knife. Then it's just a matter of stabbing the knife guy with his open weapon when he's out for a while -- but this is a really dependent on where you get stabbed -- a heart strike would be fatal fast.
Basically, the guy on the defence has the advantage. If you're the guy with the bat, and you try to attack, you'd do so by swinging back and forth, which would allow openings due to the recovery time of swinging a heavy object at a high velocity. Those of you who say "it is only 4 lbs at most" aren't factoring in the speed and torque at which a bat is swung. Angular momentum is greater than you'd think for an object with the length of a bat. If you are gonig for damage, you're swinging the thing FAST and hard, otherwise it is quiet useless. So the bat's swing must be dead on and precise.
But then again, the knife guy doesn't want to get hit, because if it he gets hit and doesn't manage to inflict damage on the bat guy, he's at a major disadvantage. Imagine being hit, then bat guy managing to get away from knife guy and then back to square one. Of course, that really only applies when knife guy charges or if the bat guy manages to get a clean hit while attacking, which seems fairly unlikely.
Most people here seem to assume the knife is the first to attack, probably based on a real life situations where the "knife" is often the aggressor because it is a deadly weapon, but the person who is on defence in this senario is one with the upper hand.
That said, it is far easier to inflict battle winning damage with a knife than a bat. Meaning, there is less room for error once you are within striking distance. If the bat man will mess up 40-60% of the time with this swing against a charging knife guy, he's dead everytime he messes up. But the knife guy will be victorious 100% when he gets within striking distance and does his thing.
Assuming both know it is for death, I'd give it to the knife man. If it is a normal street fight, I'd give it to the bat because noboday wants a broken arm and a homocide trial awaiting them. It just takes a lot more for a man to knowingly BREAK his own arm and then STAB another man than it takes just to swing a bat at somebody's body, although a headstrike would take a lot. So basically it gets down to the psychology of it.
Oh, and I'd like to add that the sword analogy doesn't apply because a sword is a deadly weapon which one hit gaurantees victory while the same doesn't apply for a bat. It's like saying the knife guy having a pair of chopsticks is the same thing -- it really isn't.
EDIT: Okay, I'm thinking about it more, and the knife guy for sure. The bat guy doesn't know for sure WHEN the knife guy may attack (he has to defend because attacking is suicidal here). So if you picture it, the bat guy must have the bat cocked back waiting for the opportunity to strike. He swings too early and he's done for and he knows it. If he swings late or not hard enough, he's done. There's just too much "perfect" to do. The knife guy can fake a few times and then jump in. The surprise of it usually would allow the swing to be less than full force. I'd say the best way to use the bat may even to use the butt of it and bring it down on the knife assalients head if he gets in that close without bat guy taking a swing yet, and try to knock him out or just temprary ground the guy, even if it means taking a shot in the stomach with the knife. Then it's just a matter of stabbing the knife guy with his open weapon when he's out for a while -- but this is a really dependent on where you get stabbed -- a heart strike would be fatal fast.
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Concludes the thread.
The people argumenting the bat side are always leaving out convenient details and things stated against them. Just read Klogon's post, it pretty much sums it up. Good post Klogon and well argumented.
