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besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
November 26 2006 04:27 GMT
#161
im not even gona argue any more, it just making me nervous, il just say for the last time, U CANT take a hit that smashes your arm into pieces and continue like nothing happened, whats with all this *i block and take a broken arm* crap , you are not terminator, u fill flinch, u will feel pain, u will stumble
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
Way
Profile Joined September 2006
Canada565 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-26 04:39:00
November 26 2006 04:28 GMT
#162
On November 26 2006 13:22 Protoss-Fighting wrote:
This is all scenerio action/reaction, I'd say the bat dude gets to do the action as the knife does the counter or reaction, Kinda like pvz.

Scenerio 1: Bat swings at you, all you do is block with your arm and stab, im sorry bat guy will not be fast enough to dodge OUT OF ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, since both players are equally fast/strong, and knfe guy has the momentum advantage. Its like knife guy has a +1, but both in the beginning are 5's 5+1 (momentum advantage) > 5.

Scenerio 2. Batter crouches and goes for your legs, IF your running at them and they hit you straight up on the kneecap, you will fall forward, and with your arms reached out YOU CAN DEFINATELY stab him anywhere from his neck/chest/head. Because from your knee ---> tip of ur hand, You exceed in range as your falling towards him, he has no time to dodge,parry, HEADSHOT with a knife.

If both are equally fast strong, There is no way in hell the batter is gonna get a K.O in 1 shot, all a knifer has to do is sacrifice his arm, unless the bat swing is below waist (in which it wud be hard) but then scenerio 2 reaction comes into play.


its spelt scenario, and you're from the US?
scenario 1: knife guy momentum advantage lol? if you let the bat guy get first hit on you as some sort of sacrificial move you're going to be thrown off balance and you're giving the bat guy advantage, not the other way around. this is not street fighter, you dont get hit with something and you do a counter attack for bonus points and expect your body to feel nothing when you first get hit

scenario 2: dumbass scenario you must've been taking a shit when you made this scenario up
Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
November 26 2006 04:28 GMT
#163
On November 26 2006 13:22 Protoss-Fighting wrote:
I ignored everything previously discussed in this thread.


fixed.
an overdeveloped sense of self preservation
Way
Profile Joined September 2006
Canada565 Posts
November 26 2006 04:29 GMT
#164
On November 26 2006 13:28 Wysp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2006 13:22 Protoss-Fighting wrote:
I ignored everything previously discussed in this thread.


fixed.


hahahahaha
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-26 04:49:09
November 26 2006 04:39 GMT
#165
i personally feel more comfortable with a bat, because i've played lots of baseball (which these two average fighters should also have done), and because it has a lot of range.

if i had the knife though, i would try running fast towards the batter, try to feint him into swinging high and then dive low and take out his feet (with a tackle, not your knife lol...), you may take a hit whose strength will depend on your feint's success, but even a full strength downward swing is better than a straight swing, and at least you'd take him off his feet, at which point a knife has advantage, because you can just start jabbing shit.

EDIT: that's just what i'd do if i had the knife, i'd much rather have the bat though :/
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Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
November 26 2006 04:42 GMT
#166
about the crouching thing... someone earlier suggested it as a strategy to use when wielding the bat. but try crouching and pretending you're swinging a bat. it's weak as hell, because you don't get the strength from twisting your body and waist.

i.e. it wouldn't do any damage, so knifer would destroy batman in that scenario even worse
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Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
November 26 2006 04:43 GMT
#167
On November 26 2006 13:42 Polemarch wrote:
about the crouching thing... someone earlier suggested it as a strategy to use when wielding the bat. but try crouching and pretending you're swinging a bat. it's weak as hell, because you don't get the strength from twisting your body and waist.

i.e. it wouldn't do any damage, so knifer would destroy batman in that scenario even worse


getting low defies all logic in this fight. You lower your mobility and make yourself vunerable to the leverage of height/length.
an overdeveloped sense of self preservation
Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-26 04:51:31
November 26 2006 04:45 GMT
#168
agreed, i'm just re-emphasizing that it's not viable for the batter to crouch.

edit: i meant a deep crouch, like a squat. bending your knees slightly would be helpful
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
November 26 2006 04:47 GMT
#169
On November 26 2006 13:43 Wysp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2006 13:42 Polemarch wrote:
about the crouching thing... someone earlier suggested it as a strategy to use when wielding the bat. but try crouching and pretending you're swinging a bat. it's weak as hell, because you don't get the strength from twisting your body and waist.

i.e. it wouldn't do any damage, so knifer would destroy batman in that scenario even worse


getting low defies all logic in this fight. You lower your mobility and make yourself vunerable to the leverage of height/length.


wont getting low give you a lower centre of gravity or w/e?

anyway i play tennis and all, before you swing (or actually you should be at all times) you have to crouch slightly, one leg in front of the other.

otherwise i get shitty shots. o.O
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besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
November 26 2006 04:51 GMT
#170
i said crouch, but not fucking lie down, i said crouch slightly so u can attack knees better, just bend a bit, not stand like a telephone pole
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Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
November 26 2006 05:00 GMT
#171
oh ok good, cuz yeah the squatting would be retarded.
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besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-26 05:04:47
November 26 2006 05:03 GMT
#172
squating ---> suicide, might aswell bash your own head with the bat and save the knife guy some trouble, on the + side this thread is doing a nice job of increasing my post count

now if it was only something constructive
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
November 26 2006 05:04 GMT
#173
On November 26 2006 13:47 alffla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2006 13:43 Wysp wrote:
On November 26 2006 13:42 Polemarch wrote:
about the crouching thing... someone earlier suggested it as a strategy to use when wielding the bat. but try crouching and pretending you're swinging a bat. it's weak as hell, because you don't get the strength from twisting your body and waist.

i.e. it wouldn't do any damage, so knifer would destroy batman in that scenario even worse


getting low defies all logic in this fight. You lower your mobility and make yourself vunerable to the leverage of height/length.


wont getting low give you a lower centre of gravity or w/e?

anyway i play tennis and all, before you swing (or actually you should be at all times) you have to crouch slightly, one leg in front of the other.

otherwise i get shitty shots. o.O


Your getting lower so you can use your core muscles in the shot, by lowering yourself in this situation you expose the back of your head and decrease maneuverability. Thats if you have knife, I can't think why you'd want to crouch with the bat and remove your advantage of range.
an overdeveloped sense of self preservation
Alborz
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Canada1551 Posts
November 26 2006 05:08 GMT
#174
I think the bat would have a greater advantage with having the higher probability of dealing damage first.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
November 26 2006 05:15 GMT
#175
On November 26 2006 14:04 Wysp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2006 13:47 alffla wrote:
On November 26 2006 13:43 Wysp wrote:
On November 26 2006 13:42 Polemarch wrote:
about the crouching thing... someone earlier suggested it as a strategy to use when wielding the bat. but try crouching and pretending you're swinging a bat. it's weak as hell, because you don't get the strength from twisting your body and waist.

i.e. it wouldn't do any damage, so knifer would destroy batman in that scenario even worse


getting low defies all logic in this fight. You lower your mobility and make yourself vunerable to the leverage of height/length.


wont getting low give you a lower centre of gravity or w/e?

anyway i play tennis and all, before you swing (or actually you should be at all times) you have to crouch slightly, one leg in front of the other.

otherwise i get shitty shots. o.O


Your getting lower so you can use your core muscles in the shot, by lowering yourself in this situation you expose the back of your head and decrease maneuverability. Thats if you have knife, I can't think why you'd want to crouch with the bat and remove your advantage of range.


hmm exposing back of my head and decreasing maneuverability?

and crouching would give more power to my swing though wouldn't it..

also i think in a crouched position it'd be a better position to run away with as well.
you dont see olympic runners standing straight as a telephone pole at the start positions right ==
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HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
November 26 2006 05:20 GMT
#176
If both fighters are trained with the weapons, I'd say the knife.

If both fighters were unskilled with physical combat, I'd say the bat.

Explanation: it's difficult to hit someone with a bat in the right way so as to disable them. Once the knife-fighter gets in close, it's over.
I went to a mainly caldean high school, so I got in a lot of fights with the arrogant Italian-wannabes. I've notices that in fist fights, it's hard to get a solid punch on another person, much more so than it looks as a bystander. People move, or throw their arms up, or you don't throw it straight. I'd assume the same principles apply to using a bat or other non-fist objects.
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Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-26 05:50:23
November 26 2006 05:43 GMT
#177
On November 26 2006 14:15 alffla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2006 14:04 Wysp wrote:
On November 26 2006 13:47 alffla wrote:
On November 26 2006 13:43 Wysp wrote:
On November 26 2006 13:42 Polemarch wrote:
about the crouching thing... someone earlier suggested it as a strategy to use when wielding the bat. but try crouching and pretending you're swinging a bat. it's weak as hell, because you don't get the strength from twisting your body and waist.

i.e. it wouldn't do any damage, so knifer would destroy batman in that scenario even worse


getting low defies all logic in this fight. You lower your mobility and make yourself vunerable to the leverage of height/length.


wont getting low give you a lower centre of gravity or w/e?

anyway i play tennis and all, before you swing (or actually you should be at all times) you have to crouch slightly, one leg in front of the other.

otherwise i get shitty shots. o.O


Your getting lower so you can use your core muscles in the shot, by lowering yourself in this situation you expose the back of your head and decrease maneuverability. Thats if you have knife, I can't think why you'd want to crouch with the bat and remove your advantage of range.


hmm exposing back of my head and decreasing maneuverability?

and crouching would give more power to my swing though wouldn't it..

also i think in a crouched position it'd be a better position to run away with as well.
you dont see olympic runners standing straight as a telephone pole at the start positions right ==


What you're talking about is natural posture in movement, when you say crouch think of the first James Bond video game/ Perfect Dark crouching.
an overdeveloped sense of self preservation
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 26 2006 05:43 GMT
#178
bat. I would honestly not be able to use a knife or gun. I will maybe use a bat to hit the guy's arms or something. :/

yeah i know i'm a little lamb waiting to be slaughtered on the streets.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
November 26 2006 05:46 GMT
#179
On November 26 2006 14:43 oneofthem wrote:
bat. I would honestly not be able to use a knife or gun. I will maybe use a bat to hit the guy's arms or something. :/

yeah i know i'm a little lamb waiting to be slaughtered on the streets.


and you're an anarchist? that's funny
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 26 2006 05:49 GMT
#180
i would say you understand very little about anarchy. any violence is coercion and therefore an archy.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
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