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Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
October 14 2014 21:45 GMT
#421
Never. Seems like not-europe is barbaric in this regard.
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-14 21:51:37
October 14 2014 21:51 GMT
#422
On September 20 2014 13:51 eviltomahawk wrote:
I once got spanked with chopsticks when I was 5. It definitely stung, but I'm pretty sure I deserved it.

This is the tragedy of the guys who got spanked: They try to justify it.

Was wasn't spanked with a rod, but with the hand and don't think one can 'deserve' it. I remember it not only as injustice, but also – and that really hurt, dawg – absence of love from my parents.
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Nacl(Draq)
Profile Joined February 2011
United States302 Posts
October 14 2014 23:46 GMT
#423
On October 15 2014 06:45 Maxie wrote:
Never. Seems like not-europe is barbaric in this regard.


I don't know... My friend has the last name Thilliez and he got slapped for interrupting his dad. This was in front of the entire dinner party. He was born in France and moved here when he was 4ish. This event occurred at 12.
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
October 15 2014 00:48 GMT
#424
On October 15 2014 06:51 [F_]aths wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2014 13:51 eviltomahawk wrote:
I once got spanked with chopsticks when I was 5. It definitely stung, but I'm pretty sure I deserved it.

This is the tragedy of the guys who got spanked: They try to justify it.

Was wasn't spanked with a rod, but with the hand and don't think one can 'deserve' it. I remember it not only as injustice, but also – and that really hurt, dawg – absence of love from my parents.

Did you take getting your inoculations as an absence of love from your parents? Those can hurt a lot, especially to a child.

Causing minor pain is not always a bad thing.
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
October 15 2014 01:52 GMT
#425
Yeah those two are roughly the same kind of thing.
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11320 Posts
October 15 2014 02:02 GMT
#426
On October 01 2014 02:49 screamingpalm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2014 20:11 Crushinator wrote:

It is the calm and systematic abuse that makes me feel the most disgusted, but perhaps that is personal.

Anyway the discussion is fairly pointless at this point, the pro-corporal punishment crowd cannot be reasoned with and violence against them is the only way to teach them its wrong.


Same here. My father didn't really show anger when he gave us the belt- and this only made it even more confusing I think. When my schizophrenic mother accused us of whatever crazy ideas she drummed up, when we denied it it made her even more angry that she felt we were lying. When he got home, he calmly lined us up and belted out bare asses without listening to reason. If you guys want to know what effects this has on a kid, I can say for me it caused me to rebel big time. Started hanging out with the "bad crowd" at school, caused a lot of nervous issues and made me violent. Hell, I still bite my fingernails today. And of course, the last time my father went to hit me ended up with me tackling him and punching him in the face- dog turned on the master.

But yeah, that emotion-less violence which people advocate here is the more disturbing kind imo. Sort of like the serial killer that stands stoic and shows no remorse which our perverted justice system is so intrigued with to better understand etc.

That might be the proximate cause, but I suspect that the ultimate cause is:
When my schizophrenic mother accused us of whatever crazy ideas she drummed up, when we denied it it made her even more angry that she felt we were lying.
Any form of discipline would be unjust punishment. I can't imagine what that would be like, but consistent unjust punishment without the ability to appeal would mess with any child.
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
October 15 2014 02:58 GMT
#427
On October 15 2014 09:48 Millitron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2014 06:51 [F_]aths wrote:
On September 20 2014 13:51 eviltomahawk wrote:
I once got spanked with chopsticks when I was 5. It definitely stung, but I'm pretty sure I deserved it.

This is the tragedy of the guys who got spanked: They try to justify it.

Was wasn't spanked with a rod, but with the hand and don't think one can 'deserve' it. I remember it not only as injustice, but also – and that really hurt, dawg – absence of love from my parents.

Did you take getting your inoculations as an absence of love from your parents? Those can hurt a lot, especially to a child.

Causing minor pain is not always a bad thing.


Having to resort to physical violence to teach someone who is likely at least two decades younger than you something is most definitely a bad thing
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 15 2014 03:24 GMT
#428
On October 15 2014 11:58 GTPGlitch wrote:
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On October 15 2014 09:48 Millitron wrote:
On October 15 2014 06:51 [F_]aths wrote:
On September 20 2014 13:51 eviltomahawk wrote:
I once got spanked with chopsticks when I was 5. It definitely stung, but I'm pretty sure I deserved it.

This is the tragedy of the guys who got spanked: They try to justify it.

Was wasn't spanked with a rod, but with the hand and don't think one can 'deserve' it. I remember it not only as injustice, but also – and that really hurt, dawg – absence of love from my parents.

Did you take getting your inoculations as an absence of love from your parents? Those can hurt a lot, especially to a child.

Causing minor pain is not always a bad thing.


Having to resort to physical violence to teach someone who is likely at least two decades younger than you something is most definitely a bad thing
I really wonder sometime who the children are here discussing this and who are the grown ups discussing this. It's really the wildest pop psychology epidemic saying the real reason parents spank is they're feeling powerless and forced to resort to physical violence. I mean, damn, anybody around here had a real stinging swat that didn't draw blood and only hurt a little sitting down on it for like an hour? I'm kind of feeling spoiled children is the new virtue, because at least you know their loving parents never spanked them!
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24629 Posts
October 15 2014 03:27 GMT
#429
I have seen a great many children whose parents refused to spank at all under any circumstances, who were also undisciplined insufferable brats. I think not spanking your child is a very good goal, and for many children you can accomplish this with basic parenting. I'm not convinced this is viable for all parents and all children.

On the other hand, anything beyond an open-palmed smack on a non-exposed area is becoming abuse.
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
October 15 2014 04:11 GMT
#430
On October 15 2014 12:24 Danglars wrote:
I really wonder sometime who the children are here discussing this and who are the grown ups discussing this. It's really the wildest pop psychology epidemic saying the real reason parents spank is they're feeling powerless and forced to resort to physical violence

It's actually just called being a reasonable person. Since when are anger and physical aggressiveness considered signs of authority?
fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
October 15 2014 04:21 GMT
#431
@Danglars
The point would be, that those parents are powerless - if they consciously feel that way is secondary.

I'm kind of feeling spoiled children is the new virtue, because at least you know their loving parents never spanked them!
Accusing younger generation of being spoiled because of too mild parenting is a really old tradition. It's documented since the antiquity. I can't see how this can be an argument in this topic at all.
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
Animzor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2154 Posts
October 15 2014 04:59 GMT
#432
Interesting how people who got spanked are actually defending that sort of behaviour. Reminds me of the circumsision thread. Nobody wants to grow up to realize that something fucked up happened to them and in many cases they are going to do the same shit to their children to solidify their belief that it is OK behaviour or to take back the power that was taken from them as children. It's the same thing with child abuse and rape. It is cyclical, people who get abused as children are likely to abuse their own children. Very sad.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8614 Posts
October 15 2014 05:21 GMT
#433
On October 15 2014 13:59 Animzor wrote:
Interesting how people who got spanked are actually defending that sort of behaviour. Reminds me of the circumsision thread. Nobody wants to grow up to realize that something fucked up happened to them and in many cases they are going to do the same shit to their children to solidify their belief that it is OK behaviour or to take back the power that was taken from them as children. It's the same thing with child abuse and rape. It is cyclical, people who get abused as children are likely to abuse their own children. Very sad.

lol this is such a bullshit post. basically what youre trying to say is everyone on tl that has been spanked is mentally traumatized but they refuse to admit it. get your head out of your ass. most people here who have been spanked has no problems with it because they know that showing discipline isnt the end of the world. its not denial, its the truth.
as stated multiple times already in this thread, i hardly think spanking is the problem for children growing up with problems. it all comes down to whether or not they feel loved by their parents. parents who spank kids are still capable of showing their kids huge amounts of love, at which point the spanking becomes nothing more than a disciplinary act. parents who dont show love to their children, regardless of whether they hit them or not, will end up with kids that are weird because theyll treat others with the same amount of love that they received from their parents.

but i will say one thing. i also feel that the younger generations are extremely spoilt and undisciplined. generations before mine probably thought of my generation the same way, but nowadays with stricter laws on child discipline and such i cant help but feel that the limitations on how a parent is allowed to discipline their child has led to children nowadays feeling like they can do whatever the fk they want and get away with it. i dont believe anyone has the right to tell a parent how to discipline their child, except for the child him/herself. obviously there has to be a line drawn, but nowadays when parents are getting questioned because a teacher found out that their student was given a light spanking last night, i think its pathetic how soft everyone has gotten
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
October 15 2014 06:21 GMT
#434
On October 15 2014 13:59 Animzor wrote:
Interesting how people who got spanked are actually defending that sort of behaviour. Reminds me of the circumsision thread. Nobody wants to grow up to realize that something fucked up happened to them and in many cases they are going to do the same shit to their children to solidify their belief that it is OK behaviour or to take back the power that was taken from them as children. It's the same thing with child abuse and rape. It is cyclical, people who get abused as children are likely to abuse their own children. Very sad.

This is bullshit. You're oversimplifying a complex situation to the point of no longer adding anything useful to the discussion.
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ElizarTringov
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Bulgaria317 Posts
October 15 2014 06:46 GMT
#435
On October 15 2014 06:51 [F_]aths wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2014 13:51 eviltomahawk wrote:
I once got spanked with chopsticks when I was 5. It definitely stung, but I'm pretty sure I deserved it.

This is the tragedy of the guys who got spanked: They try to justify it.

Was wasn't spanked with a rod, but with the hand and don't think one can 'deserve' it. I remember it not only as injustice, but also – and that really hurt, dawg – absence of love from my parents.


If your parents clothed you, fed you, met most of the necessities of life but happened to spank you, that can't be deemed as them not loving you. An example of parents not loving you would be if something like what happened to Victor Ortiz happened to you. Victor Ortiz was abandoned as a child by both of his parents, now that is something you can call not being loved by your parents.
Perfect practice makes perfect.
ElizarTringov
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Bulgaria317 Posts
October 15 2014 07:28 GMT
#436
On October 15 2014 14:21 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2014 13:59 Animzor wrote:
Interesting how people who got spanked are actually defending that sort of behaviour. Reminds me of the circumsision thread. Nobody wants to grow up to realize that something fucked up happened to them and in many cases they are going to do the same shit to their children to solidify their belief that it is OK behaviour or to take back the power that was taken from them as children. It's the same thing with child abuse and rape. It is cyclical, people who get abused as children are likely to abuse their own children. Very sad.

lol this is such a bullshit post. basically what youre trying to say is everyone on tl that has been spanked is mentally traumatized but they refuse to admit it. get your head out of your ass. most people here who have been spanked has no problems with it because they know that showing discipline isnt the end of the world. its not denial, its the truth.
as stated multiple times already in this thread, i hardly think spanking is the problem for children growing up with problems. it all comes down to whether or not they feel loved by their parents. parents who spank kids are still capable of showing their kids huge amounts of love, at which point the spanking becomes nothing more than a disciplinary act. parents who dont show love to their children, regardless of whether they hit them or not, will end up with kids that are weird because theyll treat others with the same amount of love that they received from their parents.

but i will say one thing. i also feel that the younger generations are extremely spoilt and undisciplined. generations before mine probably thought of my generation the same way, but nowadays with stricter laws on child discipline and such i cant help but feel that the limitations on how a parent is allowed to discipline their child has led to children nowadays feeling like they can do whatever the fk they want and get away with it. i dont believe anyone has the right to tell a parent how to discipline their child, except for the child him/herself. obviously there has to be a line drawn, but nowadays when parents are getting questioned because a teacher found out that their student was given a light spanking last night, i think its pathetic how soft everyone has gotten


I have to agree with this and add that behavior is controlled through measured amounts of pleasure and pain. Trying to control behavior by just giving kids rewards for good deeds and not punishing them for bad deeds does not work, I know because I have tried it.
Perfect practice makes perfect.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
October 15 2014 07:55 GMT
#437
It works on dogs. Those irrational animals.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-15 08:39:21
October 15 2014 08:05 GMT
#438
Haven't read through the thread, but I'm pretty sure if we were to separate Western and Eastern Europe, the polls would be different. For me, someone getting spanked is nothing unusual. I'm not saying everyone I know have been spanked, but it's not rare at all, and our parents lived in a much more hellish world. It's crazy how my grandparents treated ill behaviour, and I'm inclined to think it has to do something with the communist regime and it's mentality; after all, it was a world when police would beat the shit out of you for no good reason.

Anyway, I couldn't remember if I was spanked or not, until I started reading this thread, then the feeling of helplessness struck me, so thanks TL for releasing a forever to be hidden wound! I don't know who spanked me, but I doubt it happened more than a couple of times, and even then, I'm 90% sure it was my mom, who would never had hurt me seriously so yeah. Being helpless howewer, is a terrible feeling, and I'm not sure why would anyone encourage it. I'm fine with the occasional slaps, I remember all my slaps - there weren't many, but god, were they memorable!

edit: Isn't it interesting that the majority of us says we won't treat our children the same way our parents did with us, but it's probably the same exact thing our parents thought? To be honest, it scares me.
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-15 09:24:15
October 15 2014 09:20 GMT
#439
It is always scary to me that in most of these discussion of spanking vs no spanking, the people who suffered getting spanked or even beat by their parents are really strong about them not wanting to do the same to their kids.

At the same time the people who werent spanked as kids or beaten often have views that this is why kids "nowadays" are spoiled and they believe a spanking is neccesary.

I really find that scary and thought provoking.


Also another point. The debate about beating vs spanking or pain vs shock.
Both are equally bad to me. The pain part becuase it reminds of torture (of kids by the ones that are supposed to love you). The shock part becuase this is basically psycological terror, inducing fear in a child to control them. Doesn't sound like a very healthy way to make a balanced person.
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mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey775 Posts
October 15 2014 09:43 GMT
#440
If you consider a couple of slaps on the face or butt spanking, than yeah.

By the way is Turkey considered in Asia of in Europe in these kind of polls because results are highly different
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