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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21718 Posts
On November 22 2013 02:02 kwizach wrote: I must say I'm incredibly happy that Carlsen is about to win the title (it's well deserved), BUT: 1. I'm sad Anand blundered in such a way. He deserves to go out better than this. 2. The format was bad - it should at least have been a bo16 or 18. We simply did not see enough interesting games, and it was quite predictable that the players would be very prudent. Even being a best of 100 wouldn't have changed much about the way it played out. Its the world championship. No one is going to shrug and do something stupid for the heck of it just because there are another 50 games left if he loses. Anand played this series very cautiously until today, because he was now forced to be aggressive, while Carlson likes to draw games out for his superior lategame plays. Its a natural consequence of the players and the drawish nature of chess. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On November 22 2013 02:11 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Apparently this press interview was really awkward? Can someone link a video + time stamp when the awkwardness starts? Thanks At your service. http://www.chess.com/tv ----> Also live commentary on the game from IM Rensch and GM Finegold at the moment. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On November 22 2013 02:11 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Apparently this press interview was really awkward? Can someone link a video + time stamp when the awkwardness starts? Thanks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7QzYkbaCDo | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On November 22 2013 01:19 vndestiny wrote: Can someone help ? I still can't see the line after 28. Bf1. Following the line 28... Qd1. 29. Rh4 Qh5. 30. Nxh5. Now what :/ ? How would it be a draw from there ? Edit: or is it 28. ... Qe1 ? After that Anand seems dead though ? There is no forced draw coming up, just a very equal, drawish looking, position. Your line could continue 30... gxh5 31.Rxh5 Bf5 32.g6 Bxg6 33. Rg5 and then there are a lot of options, none looking too promising for any side. Maybe Carlsen would have won anyway as Anand was in time trouble already. And after 28 .. Qe1 Carlsen is dead, not Anand, Black can't stop the attack after Rh4 then. Qd1 is the only option. | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
IM chessexplained CM kingscrusher GM Daniel King NM ChessNetwork | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21718 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On November 22 2013 03:48 broz0rs wrote: This may be a strange and unpopular opinion, but I feel that two hours is not enough for these players. Has the games always been of this length? It's 2 hours for the first 40 moves, then another hour for the next 20 moves (move 21-60) then 15 minutes with +15 seconds each move for the rest of the games. It's a matter of them to get to that 40th move to get the extra time, and then get to the 60th move to get more time, and I would say that both players mismanaged their clocks, more-so for anand. | ||
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FalconHoof
Canada183 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21718 Posts
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champinjonen
Sweden182 Posts
On November 22 2013 03:47 urboss wrote: Post game analyses are online: IM chessexplained CM kingscrusher GM Daniel King NM ChessNetwork Wow, even if Anand would have executed that attack perfectly Carlsen would still have drawn. To have calculated that line and avoided mate within one, what a beast! | ||
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Lysteria
France2280 Posts
On November 22 2013 04:05 Gorsameth wrote: Wouldnt say that. Ofc its a big blunder but he over analyzed and missed the obvious. It happens when your under pressure. He probably spent most of those 40 min to ensure mat was possible from his actual position, and think of some defensive moves from it. But both game pressure and time pressure were put hard by Carlsen on him, with the time left, he missed that mistake, yeah. Not as if he could have spent more time on that move. | ||
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sikeTM
United States37 Posts
One of the press questions made me sad for him because hes playing right at home and hesbeen crushed, its just difficult to bear the stress of that, making the proper moves, and playing a race against time in the last match. Someone has to lose. Anand seems like an easy guy to like though, very clear and he speaks well. Magnus to but i cant help but feel a little bad for the reigning champion. Oh well, its Magnus' time now it would seem. | ||
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nFo
Canada56 Posts
It's sad that it ended with a blunder, but I am excited for what might be the beginning of Carlsen's era. | ||
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Ohnoitztotoro
United States45 Posts
It must be an incredibly silly question that I'll probably facepalm myself for after realizing lol. I'll look into the post game analysis when I get the chance. Just hearing everyone scream about Nf1 is making me really anxious to know more about the issue though. | ||
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nFo
Canada56 Posts
If white had blocked with Bf1 instead, Qe1 wouldn't have been possible because the knight is blocking the diagonal. So therfore, he would have had to play Qd1 instead. After rh4, black plays qh5 and then white can trade his knight for the queen and continue the attack. However, black can block anything that white tries, so after Bf1, the position is most likely drawn. Look at some of the links to analysis that urboss posted. | ||
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Ohnoitztotoro
United States45 Posts
On November 22 2013 06:06 nFo wrote: After Qe1, white has no more attack and is down a queen. If he still moves his rook to h4, then black just trades his queen (which is an extra piece) for whites rook and then black is up a rook. If white had blocked with Bf1 instead, Qe1 wouldn't have been possible because the knight is blocking the diagonal. So therfore, he would have had to play Qd1 instead. After rh4, black plays qh5 and then white can trade his knight for the queen and continue the attack. However, black can block anything that white tries, so after Bf1, the position is most likely drawn. Look at some of the links to analysis that urboss posted. Thanks a lot for this. Yeah I really want to look over the analysis later when I have the chance. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On November 22 2013 06:02 Ohnoitztotoro wrote: Sorry I am incredibly new to chess with basic knowledge. I have been following this event with great interest and it has been incredibly fun. I was looking at the board around for game 9 and everyone is screaming how Nf1 was huge blunder. I'm having an incredibly hard time seeing how this was such a blunder. Could anyone explain this? It must be an incredibly silly question that I'll probably facepalm myself for after realizing lol. I'll look into the post game analysis when I get the chance. Just hearing everyone scream about Nf1 is making me really anxious to know more about the issue though. White's down a queen. He has absolutely no hopes unless he can deliver mate or force black to give up all his extra material to avoid mate. The only way for him to deliver this mate is to be able to play Rh4 (threatening Qxh7 mate). The problem with Nf1 is that the knight had an important role on g3: it was blocking the e1-h4 diagonal. After Nf1, black can play Qe1 and suddenly his new queen's covering the h4 square! If the rook ever tries to go to h4, black simply plays Qxh4. After white recaptures with the queen, he's a rook down and his mating attack's at an end. Had Vishy played Bf1 instead, white's only defense would've been Qd1 and after Rh4 to play Qh5 and sacrifice the queen for the knight. This would've led to some complex variations, but likely a draw. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
Nf1 Qd1? Rh4 Qh5 Rxh5 gxh5 Ne3 Be6 Bxd5! Qxd5 (Bxd5? Nf5 with Ne7+ to follow, black can resign) Nxd5 Bxd5 and black is utterly helpless. The king's going to march up the board and get to c5, suddenly the game's over. I'm almost sad Qe1 existed, that would have been a magnificient win. | ||
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