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Nick Drake
Profile Joined October 2013
76 Posts
October 09 2013 22:20 GMT
#1661
Funny that I didn't hear this type of panicky "the US will go bankrupt, the world will go into the worst depression in history" sort of logic back in 2006.

For those who don't know, the Senate vote on the debt ceiling in 2006 was a phenomenally close 52 - 48. And Barack Obama was one of the "no" votes on raising the debt ceiling. Of course, he's changed his tune now that it isn't about attacking a party.

Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America's debt problem.

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.

Over the past 5 years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion. That is "trillion" with a "T." That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers. And over the next 5 years, between now and 2011, the President's budget will increase the debt by almost another $3.5 trillion.

Numbers that large are sometimes hard to understand. Some people may wonder why they matter. Here is why: This year, the Federal Government will spend $220 billion on interest. That is more money to pay interest on our national debt than we'll spend on Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program. That is more money to pay interest on our debt this year than we will spend on education, homeland security, transportation, and veterans benefits combined. It is more money in one year than we are likely to spend to rebuild the devastated gulf coast in a way that honors the best of America.

And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like
bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on. Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America's priorities. Instead, interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans — a debt tax that Washington doesn't want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.

But we are not doing that. Despite repeated efforts by Senators Conrad and Feingold, the Senate continues to reject a return to the commonsense Pay-go rules that used to apply. Previously, Pay-go rules applied both to increases in mandatory spending and to tax cuts. The Senate had to abide by the commonsense budgeting principle of balancing expenses and revenues. Unfortunately, the principle was abandoned, and now the demands of budget discipline apply only to spending. As a result, tax breaks have not been paid for by reductions in Federal spending, and thus the only way to pay for them has been to increase our deficit to historically high levels and borrow more and more money. Now we have to pay for those tax breaks plus the cost of borrowing for them. Instead of reducing the deficit, as some people claimed, the fiscal policies of this administration and its allies in Congress will add more than $600 million in debt for each of the next 5 years. That is why I will once again cosponsor the Pay-go amendment and continue to hope that my colleagues will return to a smart rule that has worked in the past and can work again.

Our debt also matters internationally. My friend, the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, likes to remind us that it took 42 Presidents 224 years to run up only $1 trillion of foreign-held debt. This administration did more than that in just 5 years. Now, there is nothing wrong with borrowing from foreign countries. But we must remember that the more we depend on foreign nations to lend us money, the more our economic security is tied to the whims of foreign leaders whose interests might not be aligned with ours.

Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here.'' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit.

-Barack Obama, 2006
The world hums on at its breakneck pace; People fly in their lifelong race. For them there's a future to find, But I think they're leaving me behind.
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
October 09 2013 22:27 GMT
#1662
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Yeah, keep driving that bus off the cliff there GOP.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18855 Posts
October 09 2013 22:28 GMT
#1663
For anyone interested in the differences between now and 2006, check this out.

Slate on Obama and debt ceilings.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
October 09 2013 22:40 GMT
#1664
On October 10 2013 07:20 Nick Drake wrote:
Funny that I didn't hear this type of panicky "the US will go bankrupt, the world will go into the worst depression in history" sort of logic back in 2006.

That's because there's a difference between the usual political bullshit that gets thrown around to further your agenda and actually seriously risking a global economic meltdown.
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
October 09 2013 22:48 GMT
#1665
On October 10 2013 07:40 Tianx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 07:20 Nick Drake wrote:
Funny that I didn't hear this type of panicky "the US will go bankrupt, the world will go into the worst depression in history" sort of logic back in 2006.

That's because there's a difference between the usual political bullshit that gets thrown around to further your agenda and actually seriously risking a global economic meltdown.


Don't buy into the fear-mongering. It is all a form of political pressure. You saw some cracks today on day 9. Around day 13 a deal will be reached.
Monk: Because being a badass is more fun then playing a dude wearing a scarf.. ... Ite fuck it, Witch Doctor cuz I like killing stuff in a timely mannor.
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
October 09 2013 22:57 GMT
#1666
I think everyone realizes that it's incredibly unlikely that the US is going to default. The real point is that playing chicken when you're capable of running the entire world into the ground is simply not an acceptable way to run a government.
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8245 Posts
October 10 2013 02:56 GMT
#1667
On October 10 2013 07:57 Tianx wrote:
I think everyone realizes that it's incredibly unlikely that the US is going to default. The real point is that playing chicken when you're capable of running the entire world into the ground is simply not an acceptable way to run a government.

But if USA doesn't default, how will they repay their trillions of dollars of debt?
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
October 10 2013 02:59 GMT
#1668
Why should they? Bond yields remain at historic lows and given the still uncertain state of the global economy, public debt is still one of the best places to park money (especially US government debt).
KT best KT ~ 2014
Alex1Sun
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
494 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-10 03:06:27
October 10 2013 03:04 GMT
#1669
On October 10 2013 11:56 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 07:57 Tianx wrote:
I think everyone realizes that it's incredibly unlikely that the US is going to default. The real point is that playing chicken when you're capable of running the entire world into the ground is simply not an acceptable way to run a government.

But if USA doesn't default, how will they repay their trillions of dollars of debt?

One option is to slowly (slowly enough not to trigger a recession) decrease the budget deficit by cutting spending and raising taxes, then gradually get to a budget with a surplus and start paying the debt off. It may take decades, but that is possible. Whether this course will be chosen is another question...
This is not Warcraft in space!
Dr.Ultralisk
Profile Joined October 2013
6 Posts
October 10 2013 03:19 GMT
#1670
No worries, Americans. Lots of countries will default before US default. US has the tools and abilities to alleviate financial troubles by outmaneuver other countries in this area.
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
October 10 2013 03:30 GMT
#1671
On October 10 2013 07:57 Tianx wrote:
I think everyone realizes that it's incredibly unlikely that the US is going to default. The real point is that playing chicken when you're capable of running the entire world into the ground is simply not an acceptable way to run a government.


It's how shit gets done. This is the one time a year where congress HAS to negotiate.
Monk: Because being a badass is more fun then playing a dude wearing a scarf.. ... Ite fuck it, Witch Doctor cuz I like killing stuff in a timely mannor.
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
October 10 2013 03:33 GMT
#1672
On October 10 2013 07:20 Nick Drake wrote:
Funny that I didn't hear this type of panicky "the US will go bankrupt, the world will go into the worst depression in history" sort of logic back in 2006.

For those who don't know, the Senate vote on the debt ceiling in 2006 was a phenomenally close 52 - 48. And Barack Obama was one of the "no" votes on raising the debt ceiling. Of course, he's changed his tune now that it isn't about attacking a party.


You can read a quote from Obama on the subject from his interview with George Stephanopoulos of ABC news (here). I've quoted the relevant section below:

Stephanopoulos: "You've got to extend the debt limit by May. And your job is a lot tougher because of your vote in the Senate against extending the debt limit. When did you realize that vote was a mistake?"

Obama: "I think that it's important to understand the vantage point of a senator versus the vantage point of a president. When you're a senator, traditionally what's happened is, this is always a lousy vote. Nobody likes to be tagged as having increased the debt limit - for the United States by a trillion dollars. As president, you start realizing, you know what, we, we can't play around with this stuff. This is the full faith and credit of the United States. And so that was just an example of a new senator making what is a political vote as opposed to doing what was important for the country. And I'm the first one to acknowledge it."


Also...what's with you talking about how the US will be perfectly fine? I don't understand, where are your sources for these claims. Is it just we should all trust your expertise? We have the chairman of the federal reserve, the international monetary fund, and leaders of various well-known financial institutions explaining how catastrophic this could be...so I'm really curious where you're coming from with such certainty that if the US defaults everything's going to be a-ok?
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8245 Posts
October 10 2013 03:43 GMT
#1673
On October 10 2013 12:04 Alex1Sun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 11:56 geokilla wrote:
On October 10 2013 07:57 Tianx wrote:
I think everyone realizes that it's incredibly unlikely that the US is going to default. The real point is that playing chicken when you're capable of running the entire world into the ground is simply not an acceptable way to run a government.

But if USA doesn't default, how will they repay their trillions of dollars of debt?

One option is to slowly (slowly enough not to trigger a recession) decrease the budget deficit by cutting spending and raising taxes, then gradually get to a budget with a surplus and start paying the debt off. It may take decades, but that is possible. Whether this course will be chosen is another question...

Well that is the ideal way, but isn't the interest of the debt itself like millions or even billions each day? No amount of budget surplus would help. Unless they decide to be like Germany during Hitler era and mass print money. INFLATION!
Alex1Sun
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
494 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-10 05:07:52
October 10 2013 03:54 GMT
#1674
On October 10 2013 12:43 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 12:04 Alex1Sun wrote:
On October 10 2013 11:56 geokilla wrote:
On October 10 2013 07:57 Tianx wrote:
I think everyone realizes that it's incredibly unlikely that the US is going to default. The real point is that playing chicken when you're capable of running the entire world into the ground is simply not an acceptable way to run a government.

But if USA doesn't default, how will they repay their trillions of dollars of debt?

One option is to slowly (slowly enough not to trigger a recession) decrease the budget deficit by cutting spending and raising taxes, then gradually get to a budget with a surplus and start paying the debt off. It may take decades, but that is possible. Whether this course will be chosen is another question...

Well that is the ideal way, but isn't the interest of the debt itself like millions or even billions each day? No amount of budget surplus would help. Unless they decide to be like Germany during Hitler era and mass print money. INFLATION!

You are wrong. Currently the debt is about the size of GDP, and the interest rates are low. That is fairly big, but not too big to pay it off yet. By a budget with a surplus I mean a budget that still has a surplus after the debt interest is paid off. It is definitely still possible to pay it off if you make it one of your priorities and stick to this plan for a couple of decades.
This is not Warcraft in space!
Nightfall.589
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada766 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-10 03:56:25
October 10 2013 03:54 GMT
#1675
On October 10 2013 12:43 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 12:04 Alex1Sun wrote:
On October 10 2013 11:56 geokilla wrote:
On October 10 2013 07:57 Tianx wrote:
I think everyone realizes that it's incredibly unlikely that the US is going to default. The real point is that playing chicken when you're capable of running the entire world into the ground is simply not an acceptable way to run a government.

But if USA doesn't default, how will they repay their trillions of dollars of debt?

One option is to slowly (slowly enough not to trigger a recession) decrease the budget deficit by cutting spending and raising taxes, then gradually get to a budget with a surplus and start paying the debt off. It may take decades, but that is possible. Whether this course will be chosen is another question...

Well that is the ideal way, but isn't the interest of the debt itself like millions or even billions each day? No amount of budget surplus would help. Unless they decide to be like Germany during Hitler era and mass print money. INFLATION!


Unlike Uncle Mike and his credit cards, the USG borrows at very low rates[1]. Paying off debt (Principal and interest) is less then 6% of the national budget... And less then 1% of the nation's GDP.

For contrast, five times that amount is spent on... Outspending the rest of the world's militaries combined.

[1] http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=yield

(Never mind the interest hike on the 1 month bonds - it is entirely caused by this manufactured crisis.)
Proof by Legislation: An entire body of (sort-of) elected officials is more correct than all of the known laws of physics, math and science as a whole. -Scott McIntyre
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43683 Posts
October 10 2013 04:15 GMT
#1676
On October 10 2013 12:43 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 12:04 Alex1Sun wrote:
On October 10 2013 11:56 geokilla wrote:
On October 10 2013 07:57 Tianx wrote:
I think everyone realizes that it's incredibly unlikely that the US is going to default. The real point is that playing chicken when you're capable of running the entire world into the ground is simply not an acceptable way to run a government.

But if USA doesn't default, how will they repay their trillions of dollars of debt?

One option is to slowly (slowly enough not to trigger a recession) decrease the budget deficit by cutting spending and raising taxes, then gradually get to a budget with a surplus and start paying the debt off. It may take decades, but that is possible. Whether this course will be chosen is another question...

Well that is the ideal way, but isn't the interest of the debt itself like millions or even billions each day? No amount of budget surplus would help. Unless they decide to be like Germany during Hitler era and mass print money. INFLATION!

Your German history is out by a decade.
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Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
October 10 2013 04:16 GMT
#1677
On October 10 2013 13:15 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 12:43 geokilla wrote:
On October 10 2013 12:04 Alex1Sun wrote:
On October 10 2013 11:56 geokilla wrote:
On October 10 2013 07:57 Tianx wrote:
I think everyone realizes that it's incredibly unlikely that the US is going to default. The real point is that playing chicken when you're capable of running the entire world into the ground is simply not an acceptable way to run a government.

But if USA doesn't default, how will they repay their trillions of dollars of debt?

One option is to slowly (slowly enough not to trigger a recession) decrease the budget deficit by cutting spending and raising taxes, then gradually get to a budget with a surplus and start paying the debt off. It may take decades, but that is possible. Whether this course will be chosen is another question...

Well that is the ideal way, but isn't the interest of the debt itself like millions or even billions each day? No amount of budget surplus would help. Unless they decide to be like Germany during Hitler era and mass print money. INFLATION!

Your German history is out by a decade.


Yeah, Inflation was the reason hitler got to the position he was.
Monk: Because being a badass is more fun then playing a dude wearing a scarf.. ... Ite fuck it, Witch Doctor cuz I like killing stuff in a timely mannor.
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
October 10 2013 05:03 GMT
#1678
On October 10 2013 12:54 Nightfall.589 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 12:43 geokilla wrote:
On October 10 2013 12:04 Alex1Sun wrote:
On October 10 2013 11:56 geokilla wrote:
On October 10 2013 07:57 Tianx wrote:
I think everyone realizes that it's incredibly unlikely that the US is going to default. The real point is that playing chicken when you're capable of running the entire world into the ground is simply not an acceptable way to run a government.

But if USA doesn't default, how will they repay their trillions of dollars of debt?

One option is to slowly (slowly enough not to trigger a recession) decrease the budget deficit by cutting spending and raising taxes, then gradually get to a budget with a surplus and start paying the debt off. It may take decades, but that is possible. Whether this course will be chosen is another question...

Well that is the ideal way, but isn't the interest of the debt itself like millions or even billions each day? No amount of budget surplus would help. Unless they decide to be like Germany during Hitler era and mass print money. INFLATION!


Unlike Uncle Mike and his credit cards, the USG borrows at very low rates[1]. Paying off debt (Principal and interest) is less then 6% of the national budget... And less then 1% of the nation's GDP.

For contrast, five times that amount is spent on... Outspending the rest of the world's militaries combined.

[1] http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=yield

(Never mind the interest hike on the 1 month bonds - it is entirely caused by this manufactured crisis.)


Pretty much. It is political shenanigans like this that spook the market. Yields have been at low levels for a long time now.
KT best KT ~ 2014
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
October 10 2013 06:45 GMT
#1679
On October 10 2013 14:03 aZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 12:54 Nightfall.589 wrote:
On October 10 2013 12:43 geokilla wrote:
On October 10 2013 12:04 Alex1Sun wrote:
On October 10 2013 11:56 geokilla wrote:
On October 10 2013 07:57 Tianx wrote:
I think everyone realizes that it's incredibly unlikely that the US is going to default. The real point is that playing chicken when you're capable of running the entire world into the ground is simply not an acceptable way to run a government.

But if USA doesn't default, how will they repay their trillions of dollars of debt?

One option is to slowly (slowly enough not to trigger a recession) decrease the budget deficit by cutting spending and raising taxes, then gradually get to a budget with a surplus and start paying the debt off. It may take decades, but that is possible. Whether this course will be chosen is another question...

Well that is the ideal way, but isn't the interest of the debt itself like millions or even billions each day? No amount of budget surplus would help. Unless they decide to be like Germany during Hitler era and mass print money. INFLATION!


Unlike Uncle Mike and his credit cards, the USG borrows at very low rates[1]. Paying off debt (Principal and interest) is less then 6% of the national budget... And less then 1% of the nation's GDP.

For contrast, five times that amount is spent on... Outspending the rest of the world's militaries combined.

[1] http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=yield

(Never mind the interest hike on the 1 month bonds - it is entirely caused by this manufactured crisis.)


Pretty much. It is political shenanigans like this that spook the market. Yields have been at low levels for a long time now.


Interest rates WILL go up and when they do, the % of the budget going to interest will explode.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
October 10 2013 06:58 GMT
#1680
On October 10 2013 15:45 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 14:03 aZealot wrote:
On October 10 2013 12:54 Nightfall.589 wrote:
On October 10 2013 12:43 geokilla wrote:
On October 10 2013 12:04 Alex1Sun wrote:
On October 10 2013 11:56 geokilla wrote:
On October 10 2013 07:57 Tianx wrote:
I think everyone realizes that it's incredibly unlikely that the US is going to default. The real point is that playing chicken when you're capable of running the entire world into the ground is simply not an acceptable way to run a government.

But if USA doesn't default, how will they repay their trillions of dollars of debt?

One option is to slowly (slowly enough not to trigger a recession) decrease the budget deficit by cutting spending and raising taxes, then gradually get to a budget with a surplus and start paying the debt off. It may take decades, but that is possible. Whether this course will be chosen is another question...

Well that is the ideal way, but isn't the interest of the debt itself like millions or even billions each day? No amount of budget surplus would help. Unless they decide to be like Germany during Hitler era and mass print money. INFLATION!


Unlike Uncle Mike and his credit cards, the USG borrows at very low rates[1]. Paying off debt (Principal and interest) is less then 6% of the national budget... And less then 1% of the nation's GDP.

For contrast, five times that amount is spent on... Outspending the rest of the world's militaries combined.

[1] http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=yield

(Never mind the interest hike on the 1 month bonds - it is entirely caused by this manufactured crisis.)


Pretty much. It is political shenanigans like this that spook the market. Yields have been at low levels for a long time now.


Interest rates WILL go up and when they do, the % of the budget going to interest will explode.


If a default occurs, this is exactly correct, the U.S. will have a much worse interest rate and the amount of money needed to pay off the debt will skyrocket.
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