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calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
November 18 2016 04:08 GMT
#1581
On November 18 2016 07:11 don_kyuhote wrote:
Man it's about time we see a Giuoco Piano in the world championship match.
I wonder how off-guard he has caught Karjakin with his opening choices? It seems like its his plan to avoid mainline theory as much as possible. Like surely Karjakin was looking 30+ moves into the Berlin and becoming very familiar with deep ideas, only for that to be useless so far?
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 18 2016 04:58 GMT
#1582
On November 18 2016 13:08 calgar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2016 07:11 don_kyuhote wrote:
Man it's about time we see a Giuoco Piano in the world championship match.
I wonder how off-guard he has caught Karjakin with his opening choices? It seems like its his plan to avoid mainline theory as much as possible. Like surely Karjakin was looking 30+ moves into the Berlin and becoming very familiar with deep ideas, only for that to be useless so far?


Carlsen is known for having a huge range of openings, so I don't think Karjakin would have tunnel visioned too hard on a single opening in prep. for this. But it certainly makes preparing against him very hard.
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
November 18 2016 05:52 GMT
#1583
On November 18 2016 13:08 calgar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2016 07:11 don_kyuhote wrote:
Man it's about time we see a Giuoco Piano in the world championship match.
I wonder how off-guard he has caught Karjakin with his opening choices? It seems like its his plan to avoid mainline theory as much as possible. Like surely Karjakin was looking 30+ moves into the Berlin and becoming very familiar with deep ideas, only for that to be useless so far?

Giuoco Piano has been REALLY popular at the top level in the last year or two.
People are getting bored of Berlin.
Especially considering that Magnus is known to play anything, I don't think this was a surprise to Karjakin.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Oshuy
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands529 Posts
November 18 2016 12:01 GMT
#1584
On November 18 2016 14:52 don_kyuhote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2016 13:08 calgar wrote:
On November 18 2016 07:11 don_kyuhote wrote:
Man it's about time we see a Giuoco Piano in the world championship match.
I wonder how off-guard he has caught Karjakin with his opening choices? It seems like its his plan to avoid mainline theory as much as possible. Like surely Karjakin was looking 30+ moves into the Berlin and becoming very familiar with deep ideas, only for that to be useless so far?

Giuoco Piano has been REALLY popular at the top level in the last year or two.
People are getting bored of Berlin.
Especially considering that Magnus is known to play anything, I don't think this was a surprise to Karjakin.


Not the main opening for Carlsen, but both players have a few games on both sides in 2016. In other games Carlsen went for the knight development to a3/c2/e3 (exchanging dark square bishops) rather than the line with b4 and the knignt on d2, but Karjakin had already played against it.
Coooot
Jan1997
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
Norway671 Posts
November 18 2016 22:54 GMT
#1585
Played a computer at 1900 strength to a draw today. Was kinda proud tbh.
Do something today that your future self will be thankful for.
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
November 21 2016 07:07 GMT
#1586
I find it ironic that it is Carlsen who is outpreparing in the Opening.
If Karjakin is to win a game, he's going to have to wait for Magnus to overpress and make a mistake like he did in game 5.
Pretty disappointing for Team Karjakin since he supposedly had so much backing for this World Championship.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 21 2016 07:34 GMT
#1587
On November 21 2016 16:07 don_kyuhote wrote:
I find it ironic that it is Carlsen who is outpreparing in the Opening.
If Karjakin is to win a game, he's going to have to wait for Magnus to overpress and make a mistake like he did in game 5.
Pretty disappointing for Team Karjakin since he supposedly had so much backing for this World Championship.


It is amusing. The pattern for these games seems to be Carlsen surprising Karjakin with a rare move around move 10, Karjakin thinking for 20 minutes and then losing all initiative.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-22 00:03:01
November 21 2016 22:54 GMT
#1588
Karjakin going to win with black after the Carlsen blunder?!

edit: back to back blunders and Carlsen can hold with perpetual. Time pressure got to both players.

edit2: he chose not to and is now struggling to find a draw. 51. Qe6 is a serious blunder, the eval is -5.76! This is over.
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Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
November 22 2016 00:08 GMT
#1589
Strange to see Carlsen blunder twice in one game after thinking for a long time.

Going to be hard to rescue the match from here.
~
Zeroxk
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway1244 Posts
November 22 2016 00:09 GMT
#1590
What a blunder, what a game
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
November 22 2016 00:09 GMT
#1591
Wow
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
November 22 2016 00:10 GMT
#1592
Well that was unexpected. Also, sleep, finally.
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-22 00:28:30
November 22 2016 00:25 GMT
#1593
Magnus is behind in a World Championship Match for the 1st time.
He was never behind against Vishy.
It will be interesting to see how he reacts when hes behind, because he has to start really pressing (only 4 games left), but that's exactly when Karjakin has gotten his chances off of in this match.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-22 00:32:29
November 22 2016 00:31 GMT
#1594
What are the consequences of Carlsen skipping the press conference? At least a fine I suppose, but anything else?
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-22 05:05:36
November 22 2016 00:46 GMT
#1595
On November 22 2016 09:31 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
What are the consequences of Carlsen skipping the press conference? At least a fine I suppose, but anything else?
Certainly nothing meaningful beyond the 40k euros
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
November 23 2016 13:34 GMT
#1596
i'm thinking a 2 - 0 lead today because thematically, 2016 seems to be the year in which East > West.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
November 23 2016 15:53 GMT
#1597
'It's better to play well, than to play white'
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
November 23 2016 21:55 GMT
#1598
confirmed by Svidler - CIA made Pokemon Go!
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
November 23 2016 23:06 GMT
#1599
what is going on in this game?
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Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-24 21:42:34
November 24 2016 21:38 GMT
#1600
German commentators are totally confused as Karjakin apparently refused to go for a guaranteed draw (by repetition?) with black. I'm not sure why wouldnt have taken it either (provided the analysis was correct).

Now they are saying that Carlsen tries to offer draws by repetition again and again and Karyakin is doing all he can to avoid them xD
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