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Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
November 11 2014 21:11 GMT
#1001
So sad after Carlsens' loss today
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
November 11 2014 21:17 GMT
#1002
Haven't been around for a while, but here are some impressions from the World Championship so far:

Game 1: Anand went there mad as hell from the get go, allowing his pawn structure to be cut into d5, f2, f4, h2 islands. His attack was going into a dead end but he managed to get rid of two weak pawns before that happened after which running back into passive defense was just enough to salvage a draw.

Game 2: To be honest, I have no idea why GMs still play Ruy Lopez with Black. Almost all lines those days are basically 40+ moves of Black defending slightly worse positions and praying for a draw. Within just 20 moves, Carlsen basically flooded the Kingside with his pieces and being left with pretty useless Rooks, Vishy collapsed soon.

Game 3: In Queen's Gambit, Vishy opened a trapdoor behind Carlsen's seat - a trapdoor labeled 'home preparation'. After just 14 moves of chess, Carlsen's butt (the c8-square) was already being bitten by a sharkpawnado. Immobilized like a Tank in a Siege Mode under Stasis Field, Magnus resigned with 0.7 second left on his clock (see: Fantasy's gg timing).
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-11 21:46:22
November 11 2014 21:25 GMT
#1003
Regarding openings I also simply do not understand why the QGD is so popular at the top level right now. Especially the Nf6 start(which allows cxd5 and Bg5), which is imo even worse than the move order with Be7 first. I feel it's even less ambitious than the Spanish and it's the same struggle for a draw without even the tiniest bit of counterplay.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-11 21:45:25
November 11 2014 21:42 GMT
#1004
I haven't had a chance to look at today's game yet (computer troubles T_T), but blaming Vishy's loss on Sunday on his opening choice is pretty silly I think. He got a comfortable game after d3 and it wasn't until several inaccuracies that he got into trouble. It's easy to see the whole game as a constant struggle for Vishy, but Carlsen's kingside attack started out pretty damn feeble.

Black's enjoyed pretty good success with the Berlin in the past years (this is from the top of my head, idk what the statistics are exactly) and it's a perfect 'WC type' opening, extremely solid but with some bite to it if white gets ambitious.

edit: Anyway, I'm ultimately cheering for Carlsen (and a Carlsen/Aronian or Carlsen/Caruana WC match soon), but I'm happy Anand managed to come back today. Brings back a lot of excitement to a WC match that looked to be going the same way as the last.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
November 11 2014 21:56 GMT
#1005
So apparently we wont have another world championship match for 2 years after this one? I guess thats how it was historically, still feels a little too long for me.
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
November 11 2014 22:00 GMT
#1006
#MINDGAMES
Anand probably purposely played the Ruy Lopez game 2 to feel out Carlsen. Then h5 was not a blunder but a psychological prep move. Why play out a lost position, gg and go to the next game.
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
peanuts
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States1225 Posts
November 11 2014 22:08 GMT
#1007
How was today's game? Heard Carlsen got smacked around pretty badly. :/
Writer"My greatest skill is my enjoyment of the game" - Grubby | @TL_Peanuts
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
November 12 2014 03:02 GMT
#1008
On November 12 2014 06:56 Mafe wrote:
So apparently we wont have another world championship match for 2 years after this one? I guess thats how it was historically, still feels a little too long for me.


I like it, otherwise we will never have a champion as great:

Lasker 1894-1921
Capablanca 1921-1927 (but amazing for many years to come)
Alekhine 1927-1946 (for all intensive purposes)
Karpov 1975-1985 & Second best from 1985-1993 & champion 1933-1999
Kasparov 1985-2000

I suppose Anand was champion for quite some time, but when games are every year, it's very hard to get a good streak going. I prefer 2-3 years gaps, especially for a game like chess, it should move slowly imo.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
sths
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Australia192 Posts
November 12 2014 03:14 GMT
#1009
Sorry if this is a random question but has anyone here heard of the Polgar sisters? Apparently their father raised them to be chess champions and he wrote a book in hungarian called Bring Up Genius!. I'm not a chess person but I am interested in the process of how he achieved this. Has anyone read a copy of the book or know where to find one?
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
November 12 2014 03:17 GMT
#1010
It's also a concern because preparation for a WC match takes (or is supposed to take, if we want to maintain WC match quality) several months. With a match every year, the WC is given very little time to participate in tournaments without already having the match in the back of his head. We saw it this year with Carlsen.

The real problem with the current system is the 12 game format.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
November 12 2014 03:39 GMT
#1011
On November 12 2014 12:14 sths wrote:
Sorry if this is a random question but has anyone here heard of the Polgar sisters? Apparently their father raised them to be chess champions and he wrote a book in hungarian called Bring Up Genius!. I'm not a chess person but I am interested in the process of how he achieved this. Has anyone read a copy of the book or know where to find one?


I don't know about the book but all three sisters have been very successful chess players. Judit is by far the strongest and has for a long time stayed among the top ten//twenty and recently retired. Susan Polgar is also a pretty strong GM and the third sister is an IM if I recall correctly. So I'd say his experiment definitely worked out.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
November 12 2014 03:47 GMT
#1012
On November 12 2014 12:17 Orome wrote:
It's also a concern because preparation for a WC match takes (or is supposed to take, if we want to maintain WC match quality) several months. With a match every year, the WC is given very little time to participate in tournaments without already having the match in the back of his head. We saw it this year with Carlsen.

The real problem with the current system is the 12 game format.


What is wrong with the 12 game format?

Most championship games have been 20+ games in the past, the the average length being roughly 25, and 30 not being all that infrequent (actually as much as 48 games in 1984).
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
November 12 2014 04:32 GMT
#1013
Guys are we comparing pre-computer era and post-computer era?
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 12 2014 04:56 GMT
#1014
I say first to 11 wins or death.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
November 12 2014 06:09 GMT
#1015
On November 12 2014 13:56 IgnE wrote:
I say first to 11 wins or death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1984
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JazVM
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1196 Posts
November 12 2014 11:10 GMT
#1016
What are your predictions for today? I think Carlsen will be shaken and decides to go for a quick draw.
mind mind mind mind mind mind
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-12 11:33:32
November 12 2014 11:32 GMT
#1017
Yeah I really think yearly is way too frequent for World Championship matches. 2 years is ok I guess.

12 matches too short, preferably something like 24, but I'd take any increase on 12.
On November 12 2014 20:10 JazVM wrote:
What are your predictions for today? I think Carlsen will be shaken and decides to go for a quick draw.

I think the opposite, I think Carlsen will be itching to make something happen today.
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xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-12 11:38:10
November 12 2014 11:37 GMT
#1018
well to realllyyyyy spice things up, Carlsen has to loose again today
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
November 12 2014 11:46 GMT
#1019
i expect a boring ass draw. hoping for vishy to win again tho.
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 12 2014 11:57 GMT
#1020
Yesterday was the first time Anand beat Magnus in 4 years. This was a lot bigger of deal with his win yesterday than I thought it was.
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