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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
June 04 2014 12:03 GMT
#621
On June 04 2014 19:46 Ethenielle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2014 00:20 marvellosity wrote:
You make your own luck.


For gods sake what a load of shit. You attribute Nakamuras megablunder to Carlsen? And in blitz when (Grischuk?) ran out of time without even noticing in a winning position? When Caruana blundered at move 11?

Yeah, that's Carlsen "making his own luck". Jesus christ.

Go win the lottery if that's your opinion.
Dude, calm down.

'Making your own luck' is an excellent mindset to have. The question about blunders really being luck or not is irrelevant for a participant.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 04 2014 12:09 GMT
#622
On June 04 2014 19:46 Ethenielle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2014 00:20 marvellosity wrote:
You make your own luck.


For gods sake what a load of shit. You attribute Nakamuras megablunder to Carlsen? And in blitz when (Grischuk?) ran out of time without even noticing in a winning position? When Caruana blundered at move 11?

Yeah, that's Carlsen "making his own luck". Jesus christ.

Go win the lottery if that's your opinion.

yes, you create an aura with your play and actions, and then players make uncharacteristic errors against you. It's not really particularly uncommon amongst the best players/sportsmen, e.g. Federer in his prime.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 13:12:42
June 04 2014 13:11 GMT
#623
On June 04 2014 19:46 Ethenielle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2014 00:20 marvellosity wrote:
You make your own luck.


For gods sake what a load of shit. You attribute Nakamuras megablunder to Carlsen? And in blitz when (Grischuk?) ran out of time without even noticing in a winning position? When Caruana blundered at move 11?

Yeah, that's Carlsen "making his own luck". Jesus christ.

Go win the lottery if that's your opinion.

In addition to what marvellosity said, Carlsen correctly determined what Nakamura's best moves should have been following his blunder, and Nakamura didn't. The best player clearly won. With regards to blitz, the entire point of blitz is time management, and blunders happen against every player, not just Carlsen. He's simply the best one at taking advantage of them.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3440 Posts
June 04 2014 13:39 GMT
#624
Well Caruana arguably had the same luck as Carlsen in that tournament, but we all know who won in the end. You make your own luck is an excellent assessment there.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
June 04 2014 14:23 GMT
#625
https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/norwayChess2014#live

Also Jan Gustafsson and Lawrence Trent cover the event, I personally prefer them. (can't stand Nigel short) :D
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
June 04 2014 14:59 GMT
#626
nakamura's megablunder is being in the same tournament as carlsen
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 16:07:45
June 04 2014 15:46 GMT
#627
Caruana is playing pretty well today.

After Caruana's knight sack, what is his winning plan in this position?
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urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
June 04 2014 16:26 GMT
#628
Caruana is breaking the 2800 Elo with a win today.
Talaris
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland753 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 16:55:48
June 04 2014 16:44 GMT
#629
He already did last summer, is there any special reason to mention it explicitly ?
-= Jaedong // HerO // HasuObs // Unholy Alliance =-
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 17:48:32
June 04 2014 17:38 GMT
#630
On June 05 2014 01:44 Talaris wrote:
He already did last summer, is there any special reason to mention it explicitly ?

no, his peak rating was 2796 last summer.
(http://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?event=2020009)

Also Carlsen already has an advantage in a super equal endgame, I can't understand how he does it.
Talaris
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland753 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 18:08:19
June 04 2014 18:06 GMT
#631
Well, if you refer to the monthly rating, then he'll also need to keep that rating for the rest of the month/tournament. I was under the impression that the temporary livechessratings were meant, and on those he was already temporarily ranked 2800 back in July last year.
-= Jaedong // HerO // HasuObs // Unholy Alliance =-
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
June 05 2014 15:51 GMT
#632
WTF, Aronian, why? He blundered in move 15 and now he is totally dead after losing a Queen for a Rook and a Bishop.

On other boards, Svidler and Topalov have perfectly equal position and so do Karjakin and Agdestein. However, both Kramnik and Carlsen have promising chances due to spatial advantage. Seems like at least two bloody games are coming today.
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
June 05 2014 16:00 GMT
#633
I wonder if Aronian totally missed 14. Rh4 which traps his queen or if giving up his queen was intended beforehand.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 16:47:11
June 05 2014 16:44 GMT
#634
I think he just missed it. The evaluation is pretty clearly better for white.

Also it seems like Agdestein has gone into machine mode, really impressed how well he's holding up.
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 19:29:25
June 05 2014 17:31 GMT
#635
I think Caruana is winning now. Rook goes to e5, gobbles the e4-pawn, then back to e5, Nc6 and regardless if there's a Rook exchange or not, I think all pawns on the Kingside fall and White is just not on time to create a passed pawn on Queenside. There's even a possibility of leaving Ne7 to it's death in exchange for mopping up those pawns and it would be a pawn-up ending where White King is badly placed to stop two passed pawns on the Kingside.

EDIT: Well, I've misteken, the position was a bit too simplified to win it - he was just one pawn short in the endgame. Carlsen escapes, which he had to visualize already when he played Nxb5. Quite amazing not to screw up such uphill defense.

In the meantime, Kramnik played wonderful, positional squeeze and won against Giri, Svidler and Topalov drew rather uneventfully and Agdestein was winning, but screwed up at the last second in exchange-up ending. As Nigel Short demonstrated, he had a line where his 2 passed pawns and King would beat Karjakin's King and Bishop, but instead of capturing the h2-pawn when he had a chance, the Norwegian pushed his pawn too early in time pressure and with h-pawn still alive, the White King got time to get back into the center and that secured Sergey a draw.
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
June 06 2014 19:08 GMT
#636
Check out the insane variations in Caruana vs Svidler (@26min)

ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-07 14:20:59
June 07 2014 14:09 GMT
#637
Round 4 of No Logo Norway Chess 2014 just started

Todays games:
White / Black
Aronian vs Svindler
Karjakin vs Grishuck
Caruana vs Giri
Topalov vs Carlsen
Agdestein vs Kramnik

Live streams:
English
https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/norwayChess2014#live
http://www.aftenbladet.no/norwaychess/ (top right stream)

Norwegian
www.tv2.no/sport/sjakk/livesenter
http://direkte.vg.no/studio/norway-chess-2014-runde-4/
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
June 07 2014 20:30 GMT
#638
Round 4 results:

Aronian 1/2-1/2 Svidler
Karjakin 1-0 Grischuk
Caruana 1/2-1/2 Giri
Topalov 1/2-1/2 Carlsen
Agdestein 1/2-1/2 Kramnik

What happened:


Svidler played his favourite Grunfeld defense, an Exchange variation with a2-pawn sacrifice, which might be the most theoretical opening possible. Only white could fight for an advantage, but Svidler is so good at these lines, the only thing Aronian got was an isolated Black e-pawn. Both players did exactly what they were supposed to do, which led to heavy simplifications and an evidently drawn endgame.

Karjakin actually broke his 20-game winless streak. He did so by... dropping an Exchange in Grunfeld position where he must have seen the critical tactic, consisting of only three moves. However, after that misstep Sergey had just enough time to lock out Black Rook on h1 and then pick up the e7-pawn, after which his passed pawn and active King were ultimately unstoppable. Amazing game!

Caruana played a Sicilian with colors reversed. provoking Black to grab space and maybe overextend himself. The game was pretty complex and Giri made couple hasty moves in very slow position, thus ditching his prospects of advantage. White got just a tad better, but Caruana couldn't really do anything to kill the exposed Black King, so he eventually settled for a tactical Rook trade followed by a perpetual check.

In the spirit of his previous games, Topalov sacrificed a pawn for two Bishop and promising activity in Ragozin variation of Queen's Gambit. Carlsen had no problem with bringing his Queen back from the pawn-butchering quest after which White could either take enormous risk by playing on against passed a-pawn, or draw by repetition by chasing Magnus' Rook with his Bishop. Topalov chose the latter an they were done by the move 28.

Agdestein and Kramnik played a textbook Queen's Gambit Declined. The Norwegian wasn't particularily ambitious and quickly liquidated his isolated d-pawn through exchanges. More cute, tactical trades followed after which it was an endgame of two Queens and two same-coloured Bishops. With passed pawns of both sides being under control, nobody could make a progress and Kramnik simply gave a perpetual check.
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-08 19:55:12
June 08 2014 16:54 GMT
#639
Carlsen banged his Rook from a1 to a5 and c5, which turned out to be cut off and useless. Now he has an awful position against Aronian and he might lose with White, which would be unexpected to say the least. What a strange plan from Magnus.

Meanwhile, Kramnik is a pawn up against Caruana in Rook and Bishop endgame and Giri messed up Sicilian middlegame against Topalov; Svidler also has a nice game against Karjakin, so there might be three or four decisive games today.

EDIT: Aaand, as I said this, Giri turned his trouble into a winning position, Carlsen got out of his trouble and Karjakin wrestled a draw from inferior position. It's changing too fast for me to understand everything, even with the help of computer.

EDIT #2: Why, Levon, why... I'm sad panda T_T
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-08 20:00:59
June 08 2014 20:00 GMT
#640
wow what a fight, but Magnus looks like he has been put through a meat grinder :D
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