EPTDoes Snowden deserve the Nobel Peace Prize? - Page 13
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DannyJ
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Djzapz
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Fusa
Canada148 Posts
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damahammer
Germany111 Posts
On July 17 2013 02:25 Fusa wrote: I am just curious how you could try to nominate someone who has caused much turmoil. The whole ordeal with him doesn't sound to peaceful he did what had to be done. the reason it causes so mcuh turmoil is because ppl know that what the us governemnt does is wrong. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
On July 15 2013 23:48 Vanimar wrote: While I don't argue with Svallfors on the Nomination per se and his initial stetement as to his reasons, I do not think he should get the price. While what he has done is very courageous, there are some problems. The Nobel peace price seems to be some sort of political instrument these days. He even says it himself, "Svallfors also believes this will help the Peace Prize regain some of respect it lost after prematurely awarding Barack Obama the award in 2009". In my humble opinion, the price should re-focus on other social heroics rather then high-life politics. It's just stupid. Sure being spied on is dumb, but what of it? It's not like we have insane secrets. And assigned and educated personel should be able to handle it (much like psychologists in that regard). So in the end my point is: Give the price more a humanitarian, rather then a political focus so what you are saying is that it is no big deal or ok for the US to spy on the EU? imagine if chinese or russian attempts of espionage vs the US had been uncoverd... I don't even really wanna know what would have happend. and while I agree with you that the price would do well in the hands of a humanitarian I think that it would be a great sign to show that giving the peace prize to any president of the US was a mistake there will simply not be an american president that will be able to act in a way that makes him deserve that prize it just isn't possible just look at the elections... almost 50% voted for Romney and if you ask yourself how likely it is that HE will ever get a prize for anything related to peace... well you get what I'm saying Giving the prize to someone like Snowden would certainly help to push the image of the prize in another direction (one that I certainly like better than the old one to be completely honest) | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
On July 17 2013 02:15 LegalLord wrote: None of these countries shield him because they believe he did the right thing. They shield him to spite the US. that doesn't mean that they think that what he did was wrong | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 17 2013 02:39 sVnteen wrote: that doesn't mean that they think that what he did was wrong I am certain that these countries do the exact same thing (China obviously does, and the USSR did it so Russia almost certainly does). They do not support Snowden for any reason other than because they don't like the US. | ||
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sva
United States749 Posts
And it hardly matters anymore, but I think he just needs our support not an award. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On July 17 2013 02:59 sva wrote: More then Obama did.... And it hardly matters anymore, but I think he just needs our support not an award. Indeed. Though, it will be sad if no change is brought about from his sacrifice. Our government will do anything it can to keep it's NSA surveillance weapon in working order, and it seems like we're all pretty powerless vs such a powerful entity. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
On July 17 2013 02:55 LegalLord wrote: I am certain that these countries do the exact same thing (China obviously does, and the USSR did it so Russia almost certainly does). They do not support Snowden for any reason other than because they don't like the US. oh didn't realize that you were talking about russia and china only ^^ nvm then | ||
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Zaqwert
United States411 Posts
I mean them giving it to Obama was just one of many ridiculous things they've done. Them giving it to Snowden would be a good way to say "oops" for that though. Snowden's a far more worthy receipent than Obama. | ||
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Zaqwert
United States411 Posts
On July 15 2013 23:50 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends, on what basis is the Nobel peace prize handed out for? I mean, lately I've seen it handed out for everything but keeping peace. That's the thing, it's given out by a panel of 5 people, appointed by the Norway parliament. As such the winner is highly ridiculously subjective with that small of a group. I'm not sure why the award is considered so prestigious anyway, it really is just a big dog and pony show. | ||
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
On July 17 2013 02:55 LegalLord wrote: I am certain that these countries do the exact same thing (China obviously does, and the USSR did it so Russia almost certainly does). They do not support Snowden for any reason other than because they don't like the US. And the US has been very, very vocal about how wrong those other countries doing it is. Much like how very supportive they are of dissidents from there. But now the shoe is on the other foot, isn't it? He should get it imo, because it did cost him to expose this travesty and we do need a signal that this growing worldwide trend of invading the lives of everyone in trade for a pinky promise that all will be well is not something that should just be accepted. But he probably won't. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
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On July 17 2013 03:04 AnomalySC2 wrote: Indeed. Though, it will be sad if no change is brought about from his sacrifice. Our government will do anything it can to keep it's NSA surveillance weapon in working order, and it seems like we're all pretty powerless vs such a powerful entity. Lol, what changes ? Look how they react to this. Instead of apologizing for all this shit, they want to capture the guy that exposed them and then kill him. EU(biggest ally) told the US gov. that what they did is not good and they are not happy about it, to say the least... What was the reaction ? Not a single word. US government does whatever it wants and I'm wondering why the people - free citizens - are doing nothing about it. Why there are no protests, riots etc ? For example in Luxembourg the prime minister Jean-Claude Juncker resigned for similar reasons last week. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 17 2013 03:34 schimmetje wrote: And the US has been very, very vocal about how wrong those other countries doing it is. Much like how very supportive they are of dissidents from there. But now the shoe is on the other foot, isn't it? He should get it imo, because it did cost him to expose this travesty and we do need a signal that this growing worldwide trend of invading the lives of everyone in trade for a pinky promise that all will be well is not something that should just be accepted. But he probably won't. Spying is what spies do. The NSA is an organization of spies. I see nothing wrong with that. Leaking important documents vital to the function of that organization, on the other hand, is treason. | ||
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crazyweasel
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Treyvon for nobel price. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
On July 17 2013 03:46 LegalLord wrote: Spying is what spies do. The NSA is an organization of spies. I see nothing wrong with that. Leaking important documents vital to the function of that organization, on the other hand, is treason. so if the government uses its army to kill citizens that are protesting it's okay because it's the army's job to kill people but if a soldier says: "no I won't kill these people" he should be killed because he is not obeying orders? I'm grateful that there are so few people with this point of view over here... jeez | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On July 17 2013 03:35 Pr0wler wrote: Lol, what changes ? Look how they react to this. Instead of apologizing for all this shit, they want to capture the guy that exposed them and then kill him. EU(biggest ally) told the US gov. that what they did is not good and they are not happy about it, to say the least... What was the reaction ? Not a single word. US government does whatever it wants and I'm wondering why the people - free citizens - are doing nothing about it. Why there are no protests, riots etc ? For example in Luxembourg the prime minister Jean-Claude Juncker resigned for similar reasons last week. I think people are just scared and or don't care. If you've experienced first hand just how powerful of a weapon the NSA/FBI alliance can be at oppression/life ruination, then you will probably feel hopeless about the entire situation. I imagine people that aren't fully aware just how shady/powerful and deep the rabbit hole at the NSA truly goes, you likely don't care. | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On July 17 2013 04:08 sVnteen wrote: so if the government uses its army to kill citizens that are protesting it's okay because it's the army's job to kill people but if a soldier says: "no I won't kill these people" he should be killed because he is not obeying orders? I'm grateful that there are so few people with this point of view over here... jeez Given that the US military doesn't have authority in the country its not the best comparison, but besides that, I think there is a big difference. There is a good argument to be made that the information that the NSA and our other intelligence agencies gather is worth the slight invasion of privacy. AS Plansix said somewhere earlier, you probably ought to be more worried about microsoft employees "monitoring" your skype calls than the NSA. | ||
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