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On July 16 2013 20:10 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 20:03 Joedaddy wrote:
I think the USA should get a nobel peace prize because it does so much to keep and make peace around the world. I'm not sure Snowden should though. what world are you living in, because in this one, the usa certainly does not keep and make peace around the world. or are you sarcastic? for snowden, he deserves a prize, but not the nobel peace prize.
I genuinely believe that the world would be more war ridden if it wasn't for the U.S. current status as hegemon.
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Serious question:
Are the people that press yes in this vote trolling, or are they serious?
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I think he doesn't deserve it, simply because he didn't do anything for peace's sake. I know the Nobel Peace Prize to have lost a good part of its original meaning, but still.
Even if I admire this kind of whistleblower and I really appreciate what he did, it didn't prevent wars or anything like that. That's the point.
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I voted No, I believe that the Snowden affair has brought more tension globally instead of promoting peace. If this scandal results into better regulation on Internet privacy he might deserve a spot on the short list but the way it seems now his actions are admirable but no where close to Nobel price worthy.
On July 16 2013 17:54 Rassy wrote:
Now that snowden has exposed the spying, did the spying stop or is it still going on?
To say every country does this is bs btw, am pretty sure the secret services of europe dont read all the emails of every congresman and senator in the usa, maybe the nsa does but europe definatly does not.
There is no other reason for this spying then to control and possibly blackmail people,and to identify thoose politicians who might not agree with the american way of international politics and get info wich could help fighting them. Its exactly the same spying on own citizens as the former east block did , or nixon during watergate. And its goal is control ,not to counter terrorism.
Cant believe that people still justify this with the terrorism argument, you been brainwashed completely and are probably to young to know what it means to be free. It is a verry dangerous situation when a government gets full control over all its citizens.
Edward snowden should definatly get the noble peace price, if only to make up for the mistake of giving obama one.
Snowden wont get it though i am afraid, and there are other decent candidates.
Maybe merkel or putin could get one, merkel for keeping the european union intact and sacrificing german national interest to do so, or putin for having kept peace (more or less) in the former ussr wich no doubt is no easy task.
You obviously haven't kept up on Dutch news. Are you aware the Netherlands has the highest amount of phone taps per capita in the world. xs4all, one of the smaller providers has had 500 request for data this year. etc etc. Saying the NSA does this but Europe doesn't is technically correct because we don't have a well funded European intelligence bureau.On nation level though... Only difference so far is that we don't have a whistle blower coming out and no public debate about this topic.
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I don't think he'll be awarded any peace prize simply for the fact that his leaks won't do anything for peace.
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I'm not sure why he deserves a peace prize for revealing information that most people already assumed was true of every government. It isn't even that big of a story in my opinion. Governments have always trampled on the rights of their citizens and always will, so what makes him even noteworthy? Because he confirmed it?
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On July 16 2013 20:45 Redox wrote:
Serious question:
Are the people that press yes in this vote trolling, or are they serious?
Just read the comments. Personally i think that what Snowden did is very inspiring, he gave up his whole life to show us that the western nations secret services have more criminal energy than every criminal organization they are supposed to fight.
On July 16 2013 20:48 hifriend wrote:
I don't think he'll be awarded any peace prize simply for the fact that his leaks won't do anything for peace.
The Nobel Peace Prize was always more of an acknowledgement of great ethical deeds than going by the definition. Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Therese, UNICEF, Nelson Mandela are examples where that definition fits way better than the original one.
I think he simply wont be awarded because it would be too much of an affront. It would mean going against the government of the USA and the European governments.
On July 16 2013 21:06 NoobSkills wrote:
I'm not sure why he deserves a peace prize for revealing information that most people already assumed was true of every government. It isn't even that big of a story in my opinion. Governments have always trampled on the rights of their citizens and always will, so what makes him even noteworthy? Because he confirmed it?
Yes, exactly that he confirmed it. You cant fight that the "government tramples on the rights of their citizens" with the judiciary unless you have evidence.
On July 16 2013 20:39 Chupacabra(UCSD) wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 20:10 Paljas wrote:On July 16 2013 20:03 Joedaddy wrote:
I think the USA should get a nobel peace prize because it does so much to keep and make peace around the world. I'm not sure Snowden should though. what world are you living in, because in this one, the usa certainly does not keep and make peace around the world. or are you sarcastic? for snowden, he deserves a prize, but not the nobel peace prize. I genuinely believe that the world would be more war ridden if it wasn't for the U.S. current status as hegemon.
I agree, but i believe that the world would be a better place if the USA couldnt just do whatever they want.
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On July 16 2013 21:16 Blackfeather wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 20:45 Redox wrote:
Serious question:
Are the people that press yes in this vote trolling, or are they serious? Just read the comments. Personally i think that what Snowden did is very inspiring, he gave up his whole life to show us that the western nations secret services have more criminal energy than every criminal organization they are supposed to fight. Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 20:48 hifriend wrote:
I don't think he'll be awarded any peace prize simply for the fact that his leaks won't do anything for peace. The Nobel Peace Prize was always more of an acknowledgement of great ethical deeds than going by the definition. Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Therese, UNICEF, Nelson Mandela are examples where that definition fits way better than the original one. Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 21:06 NoobSkills wrote:
I'm not sure why he deserves a peace prize for revealing information that most people already assumed was true of every government. It isn't even that big of a story in my opinion. Governments have always trampled on the rights of their citizens and always will, so what makes him even noteworthy? Because he confirmed it? Yes, exactly that he confirmed it. You cant fight that the "government tramples on the rights of their citizens" with the judiciary unless you have evidence.
Sorry, but nothing will come of this at least not in any serious nature. They're doing the same thing they were doing right now and they will still be doing it 10 years from now. No major official will take a serious charge. Not saying I want to be right, but I probably will be.
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Obama vs Snowden would be then
laureate vs laureate
lol @ Nobel Peace Prize if that happens.
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On July 16 2013 20:20 Ghanburighan wrote:
He is not wrong, per se. US is currently involved in 15 peace-keeping operations:
- Western Sahara
- Mali
- Haiti
- Congo
- Darfur
- Israel-Syria border
- Cyprus
- Lebanon
- Abyei
- South Sudan
- Cote d'Ivoire
- Kosovo
- Liberia
- India-Pakistan
- And the general Middle-Eastern Truce observation operation.
I see why people might not think of the US as a particularly peaceful nation at the moment (having engaged in 2 wars, and also Libya and Syria in more or less extent) but one cannot just ignore the genuine efforts and casualties on the US side.
Peacekeeping? Ahahahahaahha, what a joke, you man gotta become a comedian this is pure gold. Read state department memorandum 200. Peace missions, give me a break, give me a break.
Just the US government planing endless war and to steal resources from Asia, Africa and 3rd world countries to prevent their population from increasing, including covert and overt operations.
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what makes thomas payne or martin luther or anyone else who speaks up noteworthy? what would drive you to overlook people who try to curb systematic abuse at their own risk? no, not everyone assumed western governments were changing legislation to monitor anyone at any time or were straightup conducting illegal surveillance activity. if that were the case, snowden wouldn't be fearful for his life and the well-being of his loved ones. the US government wouldn't be united to bring him to "justice" if the average US citizen knew these things. to answer your last question, confirming things and removing assumption/guesswork is important.
why wouldn't his leaks do anything for peace? what is everyone's definition of peace? do you think obama made this world more peaceful thus far (drones, gitmo, etc)?
and peace and tension are not opposites, henkel.
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On July 16 2013 21:26 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 21:16 Blackfeather wrote:On July 16 2013 20:45 Redox wrote:
Serious question:
Are the people that press yes in this vote trolling, or are they serious? Just read the comments. Personally i think that what Snowden did is very inspiring, he gave up his whole life to show us that the western nations secret services have more criminal energy than every criminal organization they are supposed to fight. On July 16 2013 20:48 hifriend wrote:
I don't think he'll be awarded any peace prize simply for the fact that his leaks won't do anything for peace. The Nobel Peace Prize was always more of an acknowledgement of great ethical deeds than going by the definition. Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Therese, UNICEF, Nelson Mandela are examples where that definition fits way better than the original one. On July 16 2013 21:06 NoobSkills wrote:
I'm not sure why he deserves a peace prize for revealing information that most people already assumed was true of every government. It isn't even that big of a story in my opinion. Governments have always trampled on the rights of their citizens and always will, so what makes him even noteworthy? Because he confirmed it? Yes, exactly that he confirmed it. You cant fight that the "government tramples on the rights of their citizens" with the judiciary unless you have evidence. Sorry, but nothing will come of this at least not in any serious nature. They're doing the same thing they were doing right now and they will still be doing it 10 years from now. No major official will take a serious charge. Not saying I want to be right, but I probably will be.
Yes, i agree. But i think that the fact that most people would agree perfectly describes the problem of this generation (which i am part of). Which is that we dont fight for our right. In theory we should be all demonstrating, but we are way to cynic and lazy, the average person of my generation is about as political as my pet. If this goes on 1984 might really come true in a hundred years and it's our fault.
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On July 16 2013 21:32 taintmachine wrote:
what makes thomas payne or martin luther or anyone else who speaks up noteworthy? what would drive you to overlook people who try to curb systematic abuse at their own risk? no, not everyone assumed western governments were changing legislation to monitor anyone at any time or were straightup conducting illegal surveillance activity. if that were the case, snowden wouldn't be fearful for his life and the well-being of his loved ones. the US government wouldn't be united to bring him to "justice" if the average US citizen knew these things. to answer your last question, confirming things and removing assumption/guesswork is important.
why wouldn't his leaks do anything for peace? what is everyone's definition of peace? do you think obama made this world more peaceful thus far (drones, gitmo, etc)?
and peace and tension are not opposites, henkel.
Snowden is fearful because he committed treason I don't think that after he told the world what is up that our government is seriously going to have him killed. Why bother? The information is already out. Confirming things is necessary if something is going to be done about those things, but nothing will be done. Otherwise knowing factually what is going on only serves to piss people off because nothing will be done to stop this and even if something was done, would you believe them if they told you so?
On July 16 2013 21:44 Blackfeather wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 21:26 NoobSkills wrote:On July 16 2013 21:16 Blackfeather wrote:On July 16 2013 20:45 Redox wrote:
Serious question:
Are the people that press yes in this vote trolling, or are they serious? Just read the comments. Personally i think that what Snowden did is very inspiring, he gave up his whole life to show us that the western nations secret services have more criminal energy than every criminal organization they are supposed to fight. On July 16 2013 20:48 hifriend wrote:
I don't think he'll be awarded any peace prize simply for the fact that his leaks won't do anything for peace. The Nobel Peace Prize was always more of an acknowledgement of great ethical deeds than going by the definition. Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Therese, UNICEF, Nelson Mandela are examples where that definition fits way better than the original one. On July 16 2013 21:06 NoobSkills wrote:
I'm not sure why he deserves a peace prize for revealing information that most people already assumed was true of every government. It isn't even that big of a story in my opinion. Governments have always trampled on the rights of their citizens and always will, so what makes him even noteworthy? Because he confirmed it? Yes, exactly that he confirmed it. You cant fight that the "government tramples on the rights of their citizens" with the judiciary unless you have evidence. Sorry, but nothing will come of this at least not in any serious nature. They're doing the same thing they were doing right now and they will still be doing it 10 years from now. No major official will take a serious charge. Not saying I want to be right, but I probably will be. Yes, i agree. But i think that the fact that most people would agree perfectly describes the problem of this generation (which i am part of). Which is that we dont fight for our right. In theory we should be all demonstrating, but we are way to cynic and lazy, the average person of my generation is about as political as my pet. If this goes on 1984 might really come true in a hundred years and it's our fault.
Honestly you can motivate those who live mostly good lives to go all out for something like this. Maybe it should piss more people off, but at this moment while we're all doing what we're doing nobody cares if the government is listening into the phone call because they have most everything they need, so why go against the system when everything is good, not perfect, but good.
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On July 15 2013 23:34 -Archangel- wrote:
Nobel prize lost all value after giving one to Obama so nobody cares who gets it anymore. But if my vote counted for anything I say Yes.
Couldn't have said it better!
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On July 16 2013 20:03 Joedaddy wrote:
I think the USA should get a nobel peace prize because it does so much to keep and make peace around the world. I'm not sure Snowden should though.
Typical brainwashed American.
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On July 15 2013 23:37 DDie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 23:28 Nub4ever wrote:
I can't say I follow matters regarding the nobel peace prize very closely and really what goes into choosing a recipient but I personally would based on my currently not entirely well-informed knowledge agree that snowden should get it. One could say that after 2009 the nobel peace prize was reduced to a popularity contest.
The Nobel peace price has always been sketchy, but you can start as early as you want, really: T. Roosevelt, E. Root, H. Kissinger, A. Sadat & M. Begin, A. Gonxha Bojaxhiu, N. Mandela, Y. Arafat, S. Peres & Y. Rabin, B. Obama,...
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On July 16 2013 21:44 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 21:32 taintmachine wrote:
what makes thomas payne or martin luther or anyone else who speaks up noteworthy? what would drive you to overlook people who try to curb systematic abuse at their own risk? no, not everyone assumed western governments were changing legislation to monitor anyone at any time or were straightup conducting illegal surveillance activity. if that were the case, snowden wouldn't be fearful for his life and the well-being of his loved ones. the US government wouldn't be united to bring him to "justice" if the average US citizen knew these things. to answer your last question, confirming things and removing assumption/guesswork is important.
why wouldn't his leaks do anything for peace? what is everyone's definition of peace? do you think obama made this world more peaceful thus far (drones, gitmo, etc)?
and peace and tension are not opposites, henkel. Snowden is fearful because he committed treason I don't think that after he told the world what is up that our government is seriously going to have him killed. Why bother? The information is already out. Confirming things is necessary if something is going to be done about those things, but nothing will be done. Otherwise knowing factually what is going on only serves to piss people off because nothing will be done to stop this and even if something was done, would you believe them if they told you so? Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 21:44 Blackfeather wrote:On July 16 2013 21:26 NoobSkills wrote:On July 16 2013 21:16 Blackfeather wrote:On July 16 2013 20:45 Redox wrote:
Serious question:
Are the people that press yes in this vote trolling, or are they serious? Just read the comments. Personally i think that what Snowden did is very inspiring, he gave up his whole life to show us that the western nations secret services have more criminal energy than every criminal organization they are supposed to fight. On July 16 2013 20:48 hifriend wrote:
I don't think he'll be awarded any peace prize simply for the fact that his leaks won't do anything for peace. The Nobel Peace Prize was always more of an acknowledgement of great ethical deeds than going by the definition. Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Therese, UNICEF, Nelson Mandela are examples where that definition fits way better than the original one. On July 16 2013 21:06 NoobSkills wrote:
I'm not sure why he deserves a peace prize for revealing information that most people already assumed was true of every government. It isn't even that big of a story in my opinion. Governments have always trampled on the rights of their citizens and always will, so what makes him even noteworthy? Because he confirmed it? Yes, exactly that he confirmed it. You cant fight that the "government tramples on the rights of their citizens" with the judiciary unless you have evidence. Sorry, but nothing will come of this at least not in any serious nature. They're doing the same thing they were doing right now and they will still be doing it 10 years from now. No major official will take a serious charge. Not saying I want to be right, but I probably will be. Yes, i agree. But i think that the fact that most people would agree perfectly describes the problem of this generation (which i am part of). Which is that we dont fight for our right. In theory we should be all demonstrating, but we are way to cynic and lazy, the average person of my generation is about as political as my pet. If this goes on 1984 might really come true in a hundred years and it's our fault. Honestly you can motivate those who live mostly good lives to go all out for something like this. Maybe it should piss more people off, but at this moment while we're all doing what we're doing nobody cares if the government is listening into the phone call because they have most everything they need, so why go against the system when everything is good, not perfect, but good.
Yes, i agree about the having it to good to move part. But i cant accept a government that is doing stuff that is fundamentally wrong on a big scale, I have seen how state security prisons and concentration camps look like (just the "ruins"). I doubt that the hippie generation (which had it good too, let's be honest) would have acted the same way, we have just grown to spoiled.
I think we are on the best way to a two class system of servants of the state who can do whatever they want and normal person who ends up without basic human rights. And if the government knows everything about everyone they can just blackmail people who could lead a protest movement.
I disagree on the part with Snowden though, they will kill him just to make an example. At the moment they have to many employees who are leaking informations and i cant imagine that they are happy about that.
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deserves it a lot more than obama, that's for sure.
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I do think that Snowden did a good thing.
Isn't it a good indication that he had to flee his own country in fear of prosecution by the government, yet the countries he flees to don't feel the necessity to deliver him?
I think in a decade or two history will smile upon him.
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At this point, the Nobel Peace Prize is garbage and mostly given out to political figures with risky positions favoring peace but generally obnoxious, self-serving, and megalomaniacal positions otherwise. If you win the Nobel Peace Prize, you mostly stand among a spotty crowd. A few, however, are individuals deserving of reward and receive the Peace Prize, but I don't think that's what the prize is really aimed at.
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