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On July 16 2013 15:28 Ghanburighan wrote:
What happened to the Nobel Peace Prize, it used to be awarded to outstanding individuals after years of grueling work. Take Matti Ahtisaari as an example. He led several high stakes, high profile peace negotations. The IRA weapons dump, the peace between the Free Aceh movement and the Indonesian government, and, he spent nearly 4 years in Kosovo, negotiating the eventual independence of Kosovo. All of these positions were very dangerous hotspots which had a long history of armed conflict. Yet, he managed to successfully conclude all of his aims. With the independence of Kosovo achieved, he received the piece prize.
And now people want to give the Peace Prize to another whistleblower who has not brought any peace, just revealed privacy concerns and spying. Nothing has changed, and his best friends are the very Peace-loving Russia, China and Venezuela...
Compared to USA, yes they are peace loving. How many wars have they started since the cold war ended? How many people outside their territory did they kill?
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On July 16 2013 15:34 buntuka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 00:51 LegalLord wrote:
I'm probably one of the only people who thinks this, but I think Snowden should have stood trial for treason. As a US citizen, he is entitled to a fair trial at risk of the ruling being overturned.
The Latin American nations that offer asylum do so as a "screw you" to the US rather than because they support transparency in government. What really happened was a guy stole and revealed important details of a government program. PRISM isn't bad, but if he has the "insurance" files he claims he has, then revealing those is straight up treason. So no, he doesn't deserve any awards. Not that the Peace Prize is anything but a farce anymore. No he really shoudn't have. You did see what happened in the other big case of US wehistleblowing. This Bradley Manning guy, who disclosed some war crimes from Irak did not have the sense to flee as fast as possible. Result - he gets put in prison for about three years before the trial even starts, under questionable circumstances. The court will pledge him guilty, he's awaiting something like 16-20 years of jail. His life is fucking wasted! In such a case you can expect a fair court trial, sure. I accept that everything went according to law. But the problem is that the laws itself are not fair in this case, so it would be idiotic to let yourself be condemned by unrightful laws for doing a good thing for humanity.
The circumstances for Manning are different. His leaks were far more extensive and he leaked as a soldier and therefore goes through military court.
Snowden is a civilian. That gets prosecuted differently. Military and civilian courts don't work the same way.
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What did he do for world peace?
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On July 16 2013 15:38 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 15:28 Ghanburighan wrote:
What happened to the Nobel Peace Prize, it used to be awarded to outstanding individuals after years of grueling work. Take Matti Ahtisaari as an example. He led several high stakes, high profile peace negotations. The IRA weapons dump, the peace between the Free Aceh movement and the Indonesian government, and, he spent nearly 4 years in Kosovo, negotiating the eventual independence of Kosovo. All of these positions were very dangerous hotspots which had a long history of armed conflict. Yet, he managed to successfully conclude all of his aims. With the independence of Kosovo achieved, he received the piece prize.
And now people want to give the Peace Prize to another whistleblower who has not brought any peace, just revealed privacy concerns and spying. Nothing has changed, and his best friends are the very Peace-loving Russia, China and Venezuela... Compared to USA, yes they are peace loving. How many wars have they started since the cold war ended? How many people outside their territory did they kill?
Right, they are known for their human rights records.
Apparently you are free to abuse your own citizens so long as you don't touch anyone else. North Korea is really peaceful as well, they barely even talk to anyone outside of their territory!
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On July 16 2013 15:38 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 15:28 Ghanburighan wrote:
What happened to the Nobel Peace Prize, it used to be awarded to outstanding individuals after years of grueling work. Take Matti Ahtisaari as an example. He led several high stakes, high profile peace negotations. The IRA weapons dump, the peace between the Free Aceh movement and the Indonesian government, and, he spent nearly 4 years in Kosovo, negotiating the eventual independence of Kosovo. All of these positions were very dangerous hotspots which had a long history of armed conflict. Yet, he managed to successfully conclude all of his aims. With the independence of Kosovo achieved, he received the piece prize.
And now people want to give the Peace Prize to another whistleblower who has not brought any peace, just revealed privacy concerns and spying. Nothing has changed, and his best friends are the very Peace-loving Russia, China and Venezuela... Compared to USA, yes they are peace loving. How many wars have they started since the cold war ended? How many people outside their territory did they kill?
Calling Russia peace-loving is a bit heavy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya.
When it comes to killing people China may not do as well, but chinese Taipei and the trade war in africa as well as economic speculation is hurting internationally.
I do not know enough about Venezuela.
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On July 16 2013 15:51 radiatoren wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 15:38 -Archangel- wrote:On July 16 2013 15:28 Ghanburighan wrote:
What happened to the Nobel Peace Prize, it used to be awarded to outstanding individuals after years of grueling work. Take Matti Ahtisaari as an example. He led several high stakes, high profile peace negotations. The IRA weapons dump, the peace between the Free Aceh movement and the Indonesian government, and, he spent nearly 4 years in Kosovo, negotiating the eventual independence of Kosovo. All of these positions were very dangerous hotspots which had a long history of armed conflict. Yet, he managed to successfully conclude all of his aims. With the independence of Kosovo achieved, he received the piece prize.
And now people want to give the Peace Prize to another whistleblower who has not brought any peace, just revealed privacy concerns and spying. Nothing has changed, and his best friends are the very Peace-loving Russia, China and Venezuela... Compared to USA, yes they are peace loving. How many wars have they started since the cold war ended? How many people outside their territory did they kill? Calling Russia peace-loving is a bit heavy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya.
Russia's involvement in Chechnya is entirely justified. It invaded to keep the peace and prevent terrorism. Done a fine job of it I might add.
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On July 16 2013 15:34 Coppermantis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 15:21 Patate wrote:
And for those who dare speak against him, I'll just tell you that you deserve all the slavery and oppression you can get. If we were in the 1700s, you would deserve to be in the fields.
. Good God man, you make him sound like some sort of Deity. I support what he did, but when people talk like this it seems very overzealous.
Well that has nothing to do with him, it has more to do about Americans' tendancy of never questioning their government. Since 2001, the amount of brainwashing has been incredible. in the name of national security, Americans have accepted ( read encouraged) the constant reduction of their rights and privileges. What's wrong with a man saying " I'm bringing this to the public to start a debate whether the NSA should do these kinds of things".?
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On July 16 2013 15:57 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 15:51 radiatoren wrote:On July 16 2013 15:38 -Archangel- wrote:On July 16 2013 15:28 Ghanburighan wrote:
What happened to the Nobel Peace Prize, it used to be awarded to outstanding individuals after years of grueling work. Take Matti Ahtisaari as an example. He led several high stakes, high profile peace negotations. The IRA weapons dump, the peace between the Free Aceh movement and the Indonesian government, and, he spent nearly 4 years in Kosovo, negotiating the eventual independence of Kosovo. All of these positions were very dangerous hotspots which had a long history of armed conflict. Yet, he managed to successfully conclude all of his aims. With the independence of Kosovo achieved, he received the piece prize.
And now people want to give the Peace Prize to another whistleblower who has not brought any peace, just revealed privacy concerns and spying. Nothing has changed, and his best friends are the very Peace-loving Russia, China and Venezuela... Compared to USA, yes they are peace loving. How many wars have they started since the cold war ended? How many people outside their territory did they kill? Calling Russia peace-loving is a bit heavy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya. Russia's involvement in Chechnya is entirely justified. It invaded to keep the peace and prevent terrorism. Done a fine job of it I might add.
While Chechnya is more of a terrorist threat than let's say Afghanistan, it sure doesn't help to send troops there to rape and pillage. Russia's involvement there has been very questionable.
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If Obama could get a nobel peace prize then i wouldnt be surprised that Snowden or even Kim Jong-un to get one.
This thing lost all credibility in my eyes long time ago.
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In as much as the prize has lost credibility, it could go to Snowden. It's more of a political statement now than real award for achievement.
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On July 16 2013 15:58 Patate wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 15:34 Coppermantis wrote:On July 16 2013 15:21 Patate wrote:
And for those who dare speak against him, I'll just tell you that you deserve all the slavery and oppression you can get. If we were in the 1700s, you would deserve to be in the fields.
. Good God man, you make him sound like some sort of Deity. I support what he did, but when people talk like this it seems very overzealous. Well that has nothing to do with him, it has more to do about Americans' tendancy of never questioning their government. Since 2001, the amount of brainwashing has been incredible. in the name of national security, Americans have accepted ( read encouraged) the constant reduction of their rights and privileges. What's wrong with a man saying " I'm bringing this to the public to start a debate whether the NSA should do these kinds of things".?
Absolutely nothing wrong. It's just that saying "Those who dare speak against him...deserve all the slavery and oppression you can get" seems entirely against what people like Snowden represent. If someone wants to decry his efforts, then they have the right to do so. To claim that such people deserve slavery is as bad, if not worse than the United States' "oppression."
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a islamsitic terrorist in palestina got it, i dont know if snowden deserves it BUT he deserves it100% more then arrafat
i mean even obama got it for ... well to be honest i like him but he not rly did anything did he ?
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On July 16 2013 16:12 SkelA wrote:
If Obama could get a nobel peace prize then i wouldnt be surprised that Snowden or even Kim Jong-un to get one.
This thing lost all credibility in my eyes long time ago.
I agree, how people like Obama get ranked along side Martin Luther King Jr and Mother Teresa is baffling
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On July 16 2013 16:38 Topdoller wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 16:12 SkelA wrote:
If Obama could get a nobel peace prize then i wouldnt be surprised that Snowden or even Kim Jong-un to get one.
This thing lost all credibility in my eyes long time ago. I agree, how people like Obama get ranked along side Martin Luther King Jr and Mother Teresa is baffling
The fact that you rank Mother Teresa with Martin Luther King Jr is baffling
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If Ai Wei Wei received one I don't see how Snowden does not deserve one as well.
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not really but he should be given one when you think about obama and EU
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On July 16 2013 16:40 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 16:38 Topdoller wrote:On July 16 2013 16:12 SkelA wrote:
If Obama could get a nobel peace prize then i wouldnt be surprised that Snowden or even Kim Jong-un to get one.
This thing lost all credibility in my eyes long time ago. I agree, how people like Obama get ranked along side Martin Luther King Jr and Mother Teresa is baffling The fact that you rank Mother Teresa with Martin Luther King Jr is baffling
I suppose it depends on a persons values. Obama to me is just a guy a politician who wants to win votes, by any means necessary. What sacrifice has he ever made personal or otherwise , if order to improve life for a people on this planet?
As to Snowden in my opinion no he does not deserve a Nobel, but what he has done is very brave based off the facts i have seen so far
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No, but those who created the DHS, those who currently run it and all those who had part in the spying deserve to be in jail for the rest of their miserable lives.
Barack Obama deserves to at least be impeached for signing the Patriot Act into law twice, starting a war in Libya without congress declaring a war under the command of NATO, for signing the NDAA into law, for outside of law passing carbon taxes, for signing the repeal of the US propaganda ban domestically, for Fast and Furious, etc....
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Snowden should get it so that the history books can record the day the USA convicted a nobel peace prize winner with spying or whatever it is. Because they will probably get him one way or another.
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Peace award? For saying a country is using the internet and programs to spy on people. Someone tell me a government across the world that isn't doing so?
This is just the norm, people need to get used to it instead of moaning about it.
If the Governments get so much pressure to stop, it just means it would be easier for other worst groups of people to spy on the information and get hold of it. I'd much rather the Government look at the information rather than some other groups who would actually use the information and steal it for identity theft through to emptying my bank account...Or even worst those dreaded phone calls you get where you can't understand the person on the other end and they are telling you they owe you money >.<
Anyway back to the point. A peace award for spouting something i knew about and everyone did at heart..no he doesn't deserve one
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