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On July 08 2013 05:20 MarklarMarklarr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 05:14 Defacer wrote:On July 08 2013 04:54 MarklarMarklarr wrote:On July 08 2013 04:44 cloneThorN wrote:On July 08 2013 04:33 MarklarMarklarr wrote:On July 08 2013 03:51 Defacer wrote:On July 08 2013 01:41 Big-t wrote:
I have one problem with tattoos: You should be VERY careful what you tattoo.
The worst thing would be some teeny-dream-stuff like some cool signs / mottos, because I doubt that things you found so tough and cool will be seen the same way when you are 50 or older. (Example: My cousin tattooed Thor´s hammer on his chest, I really really doubt that he will like it forever)
Oh and by the way, the argument "look my skin looks better with tattoos" is always countered by " how your tattoo looks when you get older".(skin folds) Most people that are really, really into tattoos don't worry about making a decision they will be in love with forever. They get tattoos because they appreciate the artform, think it's fun, and want to permanently document a moment or person or state of mind in their minds. To people that don't understand tattoos, let me put in a way you might understand: Instead of thinking of your body as a sacred canvas or temple which anything less than a masterpiece would ruin; think of your body as a diary or journal that is the culmination of your life. There will be rough patches and mistakes and bad poetry in it, but some people have no problem sharing that with other people. Still find it lame as f--- in nearly all cases, there seems to be a correlation between stupidity and body "art", because it's always the stupid person I know who goes and gets a some lame piercings and tattoos. And I dont buy the diary body thing, with the "rough patches and mistakes and bad poetry" I don't give a shit if they no problem sharing it, I don't care for it. It's also a very attention whorish thing if you think about it. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion, but yours is wrong, ignorant and, to the great irony of your post, stupid. Stupidity is not being able to explain why it is wrong, ignorant and stupid, have a look in the mirror. Honestly, I forgot most of the people on this board are into engineering or computer science. And some people that pursue these fields can't seem to fathom the idea of possibly making a mistake, especially a permanent one on their body. They are so afraid of failure and have such a strong sense if entitlement, they actively avoid situations where they might look bad, or look for situations where they can blame other factors for their lack of success. Some people can't understand that some people don't care if they make mistakes, and if anything believe its a necessary part of growth. TLDR; just because you're too chicken shit to get a tattoo doesn't mean people with tattoos are automatically stupid. They just care less about fucking up. So you are essentially saying tattoos are in general a mistake, my correlation between stupidity and body art seems to be accurate according to you. I'm not afraid of making mistakes, but I generally avoid them when I can, such as terrible tattoos and a variety of other body art. Now people who do make this mistake in the name of growth, isn't it greater to grow without making the mistake? THINKING BEFORE DOING IT? Avoiding it.
There are some fields -- like the arts, sports or performance of any kind -- where the only way to learn is by doing it, over and over again.
This is probably why tattoos are more common in these social circles and considered par for course.
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There's unfortunately a lot of discrimination in society against tattoos. It's one of the last remaining taboos of western society. People make all sorts of wild claims about tattoos, eg that you'll grow out of the tattoo as you get older or it will make your skin dry in old age or you won't be able to get a job (which is a self-fulfilling prophesy as the same people as employers deliberately don't hire people with tattoos). It's as much jealousy as anything. Some people just don't have strong enough beliefs or the ability to make a decision to commit themselves to an expressive design that will be there for their whole lives and they resent those who do. I am not saying all people are like this, but it does seem to be quite a widespread problem.
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On July 08 2013 06:27 BillyGee wrote:
Some people just don't have strong enough beliefs or the ability to make a decision to commit themselves to an expressive design that will be there for their whole lives and they resent those who do.
Do you think this is the main/only reason why people don't get tattoos? What you are describing is true for some people, I'm sure, but you make it sound like it's the reason why most people don't get tattoos, which certainly isn't true.
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Only tattoos and piercings are alright i guess. The others are weird as fuck
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On July 08 2013 06:13 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 06:10 DyEnasTy wrote:
I think tattoos are fine if they are not obnoxiously gross, gang related or overdone (ie too many). I know some people that have tattoos and wear certain things or take their shirt off just to show it off, and I think they are idiots.
Piercings are for girls, and outside of the ear it can get to be a little too much. Girls with a little eyebrow or belly button piercing looks ok. I dont really like when parents get their babies/toddlers ears pierced. Personally Im waiting till my daughter is old enough to decide if she wants them or not.
Everything else... ew. Should be rules against this, and honestly I think there are in Norway, as I've never seen it happen here before. But I have seen children at a waaay too young age get pierced. Honestly, if you're still in kindergarten, the chances of getting an infection are astronomical. Don't be a retard parent, and wait until the children are smart enough to understand the word "consequence".
Latin America: The ears are pierced in the first week after birth.
Can't understand people that think they need to show off their uniqueness via such a mainstream thing, and can't understand the people that think they need to show off their uniqueness by doing the more extreme things.
And I laugh at the really horrible ones, like spelling errors in your 'deep' message.
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Calling a tatoo the reflection of a current situation / state of mind this is going to change (not even "likely to change" it WILL change, life is change by definition) a mistake is a narrowminded view of a tatoo imho.
A tatoo is something more than pure esthetics. If it was only about esthetics, I'd get a T-Shirt, not a tatoo. I have parts of me on my skin, some of them that don't represent the current me, and that probably won't represent it anymore, but it is still something very valuable to me.
Also I work in IT, please stop with IT / geeks caricature. I tend to see a lot of people having an image of the average TLer and having a hard time imagining that the scope of people posting here is much broader than that even if we share the same passion and often the same hobbies / field of work.
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On July 08 2013 06:27 BillyGee wrote:
There's unfortunately a lot of discrimination in society against tattoos. It's one of the last remaining taboos of western society. People make all sorts of wild claims about tattoos, eg that you'll grow out of the tattoo as you get older or it will make your skin dry in old age or you won't be able to get a job (which is a self-fulfilling prophesy as the same people as employers deliberately don't hire people with tattoos). It's as much jealousy as anything. Some people just don't have strong enough beliefs or the ability to make a decision to commit themselves to an expressive design that will be there for their whole lives and they resent those who do. I am not saying all people are like this, but it does seem to be quite a widespread problem.
You make it sound like "not having strong beliefs" is somehow a weakness of some sort.
Also the idea that you won't be able to get a job if you get tattoos is not a "self fulfilling prophecy", it's just a fact that employers will discriminate. It's not necessarily right but there are stereotypes which aren't necessarily always entirely wrong. I know for a fact that a lot of people* with tattoos have something to prove to other and themselves.
*: Not everyone, and not even the majority, but it's still a thing.
That said, "Only fools and dead men don't change their minds." My beliefs can stay in my mind where they can change and adapt, rather than on my body where they're static and get damaged.
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I'm really surprised by all the hate for tattoos in this thread. I agree that the vast amount of tattoos people get are really dumb, but it's because a dumb person gets a dumb tattoo, not because only dumb people get tattoos.
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On July 08 2013 06:41 ZackAttack wrote:
I'm really surprised by all the hate for tattoos in this thread. I agree that the vast amount of tattoos people get are really dumb, but it's because a dumb person gets a dumb tattoo, not because only dumb people get tattoos.
True, but tattoos have become associated with stupidity, or at least I believe so.
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On July 08 2013 06:08 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 06:07 DrThorMD wrote:
I would never do any of those things to myself. I cringe whenever I think about tattoos or piercings and I'm not squeamish at all. Do you cringe at looks of it, or the idea that it would hurt getting one?
Just the look of it.
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I wasn't saying everyone without a tattoo is jealous just some. Notice that as women have become more empowered in recent years (rightly so) they have started tattooing themselves more, something I would hope would be encouraged really. If I was an employer and someone sat down in front of me covered in tattoos I wouldn't discriminate against them in fact I would think hey this looks like someone with a strong mind who is willing to undergo commitment and to express themselves.
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I think tattoos are awesome. That being said, a lot of people get boring/unoriginal/bad quality tattoos. Something like barbed wire around the bicep or a tattoo in an eastern language is just dumb (unless you have an honest attachment to that culture).
One of the coolest/best done tattoo's I've seen:
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I guess I approve piercings and tattoo's in moderation, but sadly alot of people are overdoing it, getting huge tattoo's all over their body for no apparent reason. Worse is silly one-liners in chinese/latin that are supposed to mean something and be deep - and having sleeves made with absolutely no sense of artistry other than having a colored arm, either the overall quality/imagery is lacking or the initial plan was only 1 tattoo that evolved into getting the entire sleeve, leaving it with 2-4 very different tattoo's that don't really work together.
BUT it's people's own choice, so I don't see a reason to get offended by it all (I may smirk at some  ).
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Huge turnoff for me.
I tend to stare at people's piercings if they have it in their face and I can't help it, so that is a little extra obnoxious to me.
Whatever floats other people's boat tho. Personally, I wouldn't do anything like that.
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The hate for tatoos comes from the fact that they are essentially nothing but a way of showing other people that tatooed person can withstand pain pointlessly inflicted on himself - and that is just stupid. Tatoos/piercings etc. have no rational reason to exist and their aesthetic appeal is by no means greater than the appeal of normal human skin. They're all either a social defiance noone gives much shit about anyway or a weird way to boost one's self-esteem. Harmless stupidity but still, a stupidity, especially considering there are more reasonable ways to prove one's endurance to pain - such as sports.
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I dont any of the in the op mentioned methods of body decoration.
It's more not liking them then anything else. Other people of course, should do whatever they want in that regard.
I do, however, think that people getting a tattoo at a place like their face, should be doing some thinking on the implications on their lives apart from the physical side. I estimate that there are more people disliking visible tattoos then people liking visible tattoos. As long as people generally estimate the same, people with visible tattoos will continue to be one step behind when in the race for (for example) a public function. This is not really discrimination (oh, how i hate that word), but looking through a lot of factors coming in when evaluating a person, one of which being public image.
But like billygee suggested, i guess i'm just jealous. LOL
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The point of view expressed in this topic are to me reactionary coming from a community of people as diverse and educated (as proven in other topics) as Team Liquid. Not everyone having a tatoo is an attention whore with daddy-issues. Let me give you a simple analogy:
Imagine if every star craft / Dota / E-sports fan was described as a fat lonesome nerd who doesn't bathe regularly. Would you appreciate it? Would you consider a fair representation of the wonderful people that make your community? Still, would you deny that these people exist? And as an E-sport fan wouldn't you have a critic view of these people?
I'm not asking you guys to like bodmods (hell, i'm tatooed and i don't like some of them), I would like you guys to consider bod mods using the same analogy. Not everyone is an attention whore, not everyone is out of a job, not everyone regrets later. Just as there are passionate people that derivate a strong meaning from this passion that is e-sports, the same can be applied to bodmods, and to everything else (that ranges to music, and as proven lately to ponies  )
I think remembering those simple things would go a long way.
Or you could keep on focusing on the bad exemples, the stupid people that even ourselves dislike (Do you think the barbwire on pamela' Anderson arm is a model for me? Do you think this person is a role model for me?), and put everyone in the same basket.
Honestly, you guys can do better than that, we all can, we all should.
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Wingpawn, you keep calling tattooed people stupid, and calling 'us' names.
People have already listed reasons and you just choose to ignore those comments, while filling in the reasons YOU think people have for taking them and calling those stupid. That's not discussing, that's not 'rationally' stating your opinion; that's the logic of an eight year old.
I'm not showing others I can withstand pain, hell, I kept clenching and sweating and sometimes almost screamed like a little girl.
Their aesthetic appeal not greater than the appeal of a human skin? That's a personal opinion, I think I look a lot better with my tattoos. And social defiance? Hah, not in the slightest; all my tattoos are covered up on my (actually rationality-requiring) job.
The only thing you're right about is that there's no rational reason to put ink in your body, it's al emotional, it's all a matter of perspective. It's fine if you don't share that perspective, or even disapprove of it, but you don't have to be insulting.
Edit: well, that came out rather harsh...
Anyway, I do agree that tattoo's should be covered up during professional hours. I joined a Facebook page 'Tattoo acceptance in the workplace' and while I'm glad to see people posting that they got a job even though they got hand and/ or face- tattoo's, it's exactly that; 'even though'.
To be honest, I wouldn't hire a person with visible tattoo's, or even visible piercings, dermals or those stretched earlobes. We have a level of professionalism in almost every job and I want my personnal to be able to understand social protocol and consequences.
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On July 08 2013 05:45 ZackAttack wrote:
That zerg tattoo. I've always wanted a tattoo but I can never choose. I have a twin brother and we are thinking about getting matching tattoos but we don't know what to get. Any ideas?
You both have the same mother, same father, same grandparents. Assuming you guys have one or two life-long interests in common it shouldn't be that hard to come up with something. There's always the fact that you both have matching tattoos already. By that, I mean your last names. You're stuck with those unless you get them legally changed, which by the way, is an insult to your family name.
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On July 08 2013 07:00 wingpawn wrote:
The hate for tatoos comes from the fact that they are essentially nothing but a way of showing other people that tatooed person can whistand pain pointlessly inflicted on himself - and that is just stupid. Tatoos/piercings etc. have no rational reason to exist and their aesthetic appeal is by no means greater than the appeal of normal human skin. They're all either a social defiance noone gives much shit about anyway or a weird way to boost one's self-esteem. Harmless stupidity but still, a stupidity, especially considering there are more reasonable ways to prove one's endurance to pain - such as sports.
Tattoos and piercings and other body modifications almost never have anything to do with how much they hurt to get. It usually doesn't hurt that bad anyway. Have you ever even talked to someone with a tattoo?
On July 08 2013 07:09 dUTtrOACh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 05:45 ZackAttack wrote:
That zerg tattoo. I've always wanted a tattoo but I can never choose. I have a twin brother and we are thinking about getting matching tattoos but we don't know what to get. Any ideas? You both have the same mother, same father, same grandparents. Assuming you guys have one or two life-long interests in common it shouldn't be that hard to come up with something. There's always the fact that you both have matching tattoos already. By that, I mean your last names. You're stuck with those unless you get them legally changed, which by the way, is an insult to your family name.
That's the problem. We really don't have any common interests at all.
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