On July 07 2013 05:02 Djzapz wrote: The tail hit the runway. I wonder if it's the pilot's mistake or if some instrument screwed up or something.
With only having the info that I just heard from the eye witnesses something like that is highly likely to be pilot error.
Landing with the tail first can pretty much only happen when you're landing too short (aka you run into something that's in your way, before the actual runway), assumed you were higher than you actually were (pretty hard to fuck that one up) or having the wrong speed and over-correcting it during the landing.
Edit: No need to panic after seeing the burned out aircraft on the stream. This picture was taken by a passenger while leaving. Should prolly be added to the OP:
Whoah! I dont know you survive a fire that burned the roof off unless most of them managed to get off the plane before it got too bad. Scary stuff. edit: so relieved to see them walk away; the fire was after they left.
That was a 777 too, modern plane in a modern airport. Methinks it has to be human error.
Another video from another angle showing that it went much better than the pictures of the aftermath make it look like:
Netizen quote from over there that seems to make sense:
Landing gear impacted the sea wall and aircraft pitched high to rip tail off. Pilot wasn't even near the piano keys...landed way short. Not making accusations, but you can clearly see point of impact on sea wall and tail section is completely disintegrated before piano keys.
The tail often touches the ground in lift-offs and landings, that's why they reinforce the back. I guess this is what happens when the nose is too high AND the airplane "bounces", or then the back landing gear was faulty.
On July 07 2013 05:02 Djzapz wrote: I wonder if it's the pilot's mistake or if some instrument screwed up or something.
John Nance explained on ABC that the 777 engines have some history with ice accumulation in the fuel lines. This can cause a blockage that can lead to engine rollback or failure to respond to a throttle increase.
And you need engine power during a normal approach to reduce your descent rate. If you're already descending and your engines don't respond, the only way to slow down is to change the plane's attitude (i.e., pull up and crash land tail first).
Yeah I woke up to this story on my phone, couldn't believe it. Thank God it didn't seem to be a catastrophic high-altitude, total failure kind of crash, and that most of the people there seem to be okay.
On July 07 2013 05:50 autoexec wrote: Wow. I was just flying yesterday... This is awful
imagine seeing it happening while waiting for your own flight... really hope there arent many injuries, curious how it went wrong, it didnt even reach the landing strip did it?
Wow that is way crazy. I feel like this is way rare. If it is a pilot"s issue, or just a plane malufunction, either way, goodluck to all who were aboard it.
On July 07 2013 04:58 NeoIllusions wrote: Looking at pictures so far, looks like most of the passengers are ok. But bothers me is how incredibly shoddy the plane looks. Sure, it might have passed inspection but it looks incredibly shaky to me.
Well I mean... Planes don't usually look great after a crash landing?