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FlyingFalap
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada22 Posts
July 07 2013 11:53 GMT
#141
A lot of bad stuff does happen on a daily basis. It is unfortunate.
-FlyingFalap
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8732 Posts
July 07 2013 11:59 GMT
#142
interesting fact about this incident
happened on the 7th of july, 77 koreans were on board and the plane was a 777
7,7,7,7,7,7,7
inb4 illuminati
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-07 12:13:32
July 07 2013 12:10 GMT
#143
On July 07 2013 20:59 evilfatsh1t wrote:
interesting fact about this incident
happened on the 7th of july, 77 koreans were on board and the plane was a 777
7,7,7,7,7,7,7
inb4 illuminati

6th of july in california
edit: oh I guess you're going everything by korean point of view
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-07 13:20:18
July 07 2013 13:18 GMT
#144
On July 07 2013 20:59 evilfatsh1t wrote:
interesting fact about this incident
happened on the 7th of july, 77 koreans were on board and the plane was a 777
7,7,7,7,7,7,7
inb4 illuminati

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.
'tis my birthday and I want to apologize.

Still very glad everybody's alright. ^_^
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
July 07 2013 17:24 GMT
#145
so 2 people did die from this. Two 16 year old girls.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/san-francisco-plane-crash-killed-asiana-flight-214/story?id=19598352#.UdmjUW1fzqU
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
July 07 2013 18:52 GMT
#146
On July 08 2013 02:24 c0ldfusion wrote:
so 2 people did die from this. Two 16 year old girls.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/san-francisco-plane-crash-killed-asiana-flight-214/story?id=19598352#.UdmjUW1fzqU

Humm i wonder where they were seated although i guess they could be just unluckier then the 22 critically injured passengers.
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-07 19:08:10
July 07 2013 19:04 GMT
#147
On July 08 2013 03:52 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 02:24 c0ldfusion wrote:
so 2 people did die from this. Two 16 year old girls.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/san-francisco-plane-crash-killed-asiana-flight-214/story?id=19598352#.UdmjUW1fzqU

Humm i wonder where they were seated although i guess they could be just unluckier then the 22 critically injured passengers.

Both were sitting in the rear end of the plane. One of them was found by the tail, the other was found on the ground closer to the planes final destination... Btw. There are still 6 people in critical condition in the hospital, down from 10.

Links:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/07/07/san-francisco-plane-crash-passengers.html
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SF-plane-crash-victims-identified-as-two-teens-4650990.php
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Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
July 07 2013 19:09 GMT
#148
On July 07 2013 17:45 BirdKiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2013 16:54 plgElwood wrote:
I would probably get my luggage too. I dont understand the bitching at all. I would scared as hell and would not know how I act. Probably just grab my stuff and get out, not realizing what has just happend.


Is there ANY rumor about someone getting hurt by the ones who secured their bags? I guess not.

I would like to know why the top of the plane burned down ??!? For my understanding, it landed without landinggear, spun around, lost it´s tail, but never was upside down.


There aren't such rumors because thankfully, 99% of the passengers aren't complete idiots and selfish to do such things. Imagine if most passengers decided to get their luggage out during an emergency. Suddenly the total surface area (surface area of each passenger + objects that take up surface space) on the floor to evacuate expands 50% - 100% (an average person's surface area on the floor is equivalent to one luggage). That's not counting the idle time that occurs with the line of passengers waiting on others to unload their luggage out of the bins and for people to position their luggage in order to slide down.


In this particular accident, there were multiple passengers with burn injuries from the fire that ultimately consumed the cabin a few minutes after it was fully evacuated. There were also dozens of people who had to evacuate the plane with broken bones, some of whom had to be cut loose from their seat harnesses by flight attendants with knives that were passed up to the plane by emergency personnel on the ground. It's highly likely that some of those burn injuries were enabled or made worse by the people slowing down evacuation by getting their luggage.

To plgElwood: Yes, some people being panicked and acting irrationally is unavoidable in this kind of incident, and some of the people who spent time fiddling with luggage probably would not have done so if they'd been able to approach the situation calmly. However, that doesn't mean it isn't a problem, and one of the functions of crewmembers in these kinds of situations is to insist that people leave their luggage behind.

Also to plgElwood: Regarding your question about why the top of the plane burned away, once there's a fire inside the cabin, hot gases from the fire rise. The top of the fuselage didn't burn away until some time after the accident and evacuation, and in earlier photographs you can see that it's intact. If a building fire occurs on a middle floor, usually the floors above will burn or collapse while those below are less affected, for the same reason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-07 19:22:20
July 07 2013 19:20 GMT
#149
Let's not forget that some people undoubtedly carry important medication and such in their luggage. I know people who'd hate to leave without their asthma-related medication or epipen or stuff like that.

Sad to hear some people have died
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
July 07 2013 19:29 GMT
#150
On July 07 2013 18:41 FlyingFalap wrote:
-A similar accident involving the 777 happened at London Heathrow. It was caused by icing in the fuel-oil heat exchanger, causing a loss of thrust.


Weather conditions at San Francisco yesterday were in the mid-60s (about 18 C for those overseas) and sunny, and the flight took place in the summer, so I'd be extremely surprised if icing were a cause.

The 2008 LHR incident happened in mid-January, where ground temperatures were about 5 C (41 degrees F) and the flight had spent a significant portion of its cruise over Siberia in temperatures (at altitude) of -65 to -74 C (-85 to -101 F).
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felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
July 07 2013 20:01 GMT
#151
On July 08 2013 04:29 Lysenko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2013 18:41 FlyingFalap wrote:
-A similar accident involving the 777 happened at London Heathrow. It was caused by icing in the fuel-oil heat exchanger, causing a loss of thrust.


Weather conditions at San Francisco yesterday were in the mid-60s (about 18 C for those overseas) and sunny, and the flight took place in the summer, so I'd be extremely surprised if icing were a cause.

The 2008 LHR incident happened in mid-January, where ground temperatures were about 5 C (41 degrees F) and the flight had spent a significant portion of its cruise over Siberia in temperatures (at altitude) of -65 to -74 C (-85 to -101 F).


That incident was also in a different type of engine, the Rolls Royce rather than the Pratt & Whitney engines used by this aircraft. Different designs, and even the RR engines have been changed to fix the issue. The issue never affected the Pratt & Whitney engines.
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ilmeeni
Profile Joined July 2012
Afghanistan72 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-07 21:35:17
July 07 2013 21:25 GMT
#152
NTSB prelim briefing pretty much confirmed pilot error - a loss of situational awareness by the flight crew - as expected. Go around was called 1.4 seconds before the crash, way late.

I'm thankful I don't have to fly Asian airlines, the cockpit culture/CRM still is to this date horrible. They will literally (and have) rather die in a crash than challenge their captain's authority because of the fucked up hierarchy culture present in some of the countries. It boggles the mind.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
July 07 2013 21:51 GMT
#153
Video on CNN of the crash, although far away.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/standard.html?/video/us/2013/07/07/vo-plane-sf-plane-crash-on-cam.courtesy-fred-hayes
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8123 Posts
July 07 2013 22:01 GMT
#154
On July 08 2013 06:51 scott31337 wrote:
Video on CNN of the crash, although far away.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/standard.html?/video/us/2013/07/07/vo-plane-sf-plane-crash-on-cam.courtesy-fred-hayes


"oh whoa, you're filming it! You're filming it. You're filming the whole thing!" Is that really a normal reaction to a planecrash? Thank god we got it on tape?
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
July 07 2013 22:04 GMT
#155
I didn't even notice her until I played it again...right?
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-07 23:31:52
July 07 2013 22:33 GMT
#156
Finally found these pictures of the other engine. Seems it kept traveling along the runway.

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Looking at that CNN video of the actual crash and how violent the spin was, the engine that came to rest at the fuselage and likely caused the fire, might as well be the left-hand side engine.
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ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
July 08 2013 01:59 GMT
#157
Holy crap, after watching the video I'm amazed more people didn't die. I'm also amazed the plane didn't just disintegrate after doing a 180 on the left wing.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 02:21:15
July 08 2013 02:09 GMT
#158
On July 07 2013 16:54 plgElwood wrote:
I would probably get my luggage too. I dont understand the bitching at all. I would scared as hell and would not know how I act. Probably just grab my stuff and get out, not realizing what has just happend.


Is there ANY rumor about someone getting hurt by the ones who secured their bags? I guess not.

I would like to know why the top of the plane burned down ??!? For my understanding, it landed without landinggear, spun around, lost it´s tail, but never was upside down.

I agree. I would probably quickly grab my bag as well. Granted, I never take a lot of hand luggage with me (just a bag with my tablet and some books and whatnot) and I always stow it under the seats. Besides, in high-risk situations, instincts tend to take over and people don't think clearly anymore.

Edit: pretty funny that people scold those women for 'not acting rationally'. Here is some advice: noone, except highly trained individuals, reacts rationally in lifethreatening situations. The normal human reaction is to grab whatever valuables you can get your hands on, be it luggage or a child, and get the fuck out. This happens instinctively, i.e. you don't think, you just act.
ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
July 08 2013 03:17 GMT
#159
Coroner will do an autopsy to determine if one of the victims was run over by a rescue vehicle. One of the bodies was found on the runway where the tail section broke, while the other body was found near the left side of the aircraft close to the emergency slide.

RIP
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 08 2013 03:24 GMT
#160
Apparently one of the fatalities may have been ran over by a rescue vehicle? =\
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