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WombaT
Northern Ireland26742 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10880 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9842 Posts
Gonna go vote in a minute. Was going to vote Labour but seeing as how they are going to win by a billion I'm going to allow myself an indulgence and vote Green instead. I'll post some live coverage of the tory party's doom later. Tune in. It'll be hilarious. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12450 Posts
On July 04 2024 20:27 Jockmcplop wrote: Its election day people! Gonna go vote in a minute. Was going to vote Labour but seeing as how they are going to win by a billion I'm going to allow myself an indulgence and vote Green instead. I'll post some live coverage of the tory party's doom later. Tune in. It'll be hilarious. Hang in there friend | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
If you're free to choose the date as the PM, why on a weekday? The 2015 and 2017 elections were both on a Thursday, as is the current one. Well, I thought might as well look it up myself and from an outsider's perspective it seems to just be precedent. Cause it's been that for many decades. Couldn't be more British any other way, eh :D | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
1) "people are less likely to vote on a workday because they are busy with work" - most of Europe goes this way I think? Vs 2) " people are less likely to vote on a weekend because they are busy with their leisure activities" - US, UK, Netherlands at least So as you said, in the UK this is just a learned habit. Also Brexit referendum was on Thursday iirc. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1451 Posts
Unfortunately, the % vote share shows once again that first-past-the-post is a completely unfit way of electing a representative government. Hopefully the benefits of that system, namely cutting down on the amount of backroom dealing and red tape that need to be navigated before anything can get done, is something that Labour manage to take advantage of to start fixing the myriad things that the Tories have broken. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9842 Posts
On July 05 2024 15:22 MJG wrote: I'm glad to see the Tories being wiped out so brutally. The fault lies almost entirely at the door of Liz Truss, although the Partygate scandal didn't help. Rishi Sunak was given a poisoned chalice. Unfortunately, the % vote share shows once again that first-past-the-post is a completely unfit way of electing a representative government. Hopefully the benefits of that system, namely cutting down on the amount of backroom dealing and red tape that need to be navigated before anything can get done, is something that Labour manage to take advantage of to start fixing the myriad things that the Tories have broken. This was all the tories doing. I'm not sure how much credit Labour can take, looking at the results and how bizarrely disproportionate they are. Reform UK have basically destroyed the tories. Speaking of Liz Truss, her seat was won by Labour by 600 votes. Reform had 9000 votes in that constituency, and they would normally have been tory votes. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1451 Posts
On July 05 2024 15:30 Jockmcplop wrote: This was all the tories doing. I'm not sure how much credit Labour can take, looking at the results and how bizarrely disproportionate they are. Reform UK have basically destroyed the tories. Speaking of Liz Truss, her seat was won by Labour by 600 votes. Reform had 9000 votes in that constituency, and they would normally have been tory votes. I don't think Labour can take any credit whatsoever as far as English votes go, but they've done a number on the SNP in Scotland, which I'm glad about. Hopefully this won't all result in the Tories making a massive lurch to the right in order to win back voters from Reform, but instead see them returning to the (still right but much more) centrist policies that David Cameron was elected under. I don't think that's going to happen though. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9842 Posts
On July 05 2024 15:46 MJG wrote: I don't think Labour can take any credit whatsoever as far as English votes go, but they've done a number on the SNP in Scotland, which I'm glad about. Hopefully this won't all result in the Tories making a massive lurch to the right in order to win back voters from Reform, but instead see them returning to the (still right but much more) centrist policies that David Cameron was elected under. I don't think that's going to happen though. This election seems to have been about punishing incompetence... Its as good a motivation as any tbh. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1451 Posts
Hell, it's about time. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5119 Posts
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MJG
United Kingdom1451 Posts
On July 05 2024 19:02 Uldridge wrote: Voting lowered to 16, why do you think that's a good thing? Because people can start working and paying taxes once they're 16. To quote our American friends, "no taxation without representation". | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9842 Posts
On July 05 2024 19:02 Uldridge wrote: Voting lowered to 16, why do you think that's a good thing? Yeah for sure its good. I don't see how a 16 year old is likely to be less mature about voting than your average 22 year old, or even your average 90 year old. I'd be tempted to look at lowering the age further in the long term. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18280 Posts
On July 05 2024 15:49 Jockmcplop wrote: This election seems to have been about punishing incompetence... Its as good a motivation as any tbh. Voting for Reform isn't punishing incompetence, though, it's embracing it. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On July 05 2024 19:07 Jockmcplop wrote: Yeah for sure its good. I don't see how a 16 year old is likely to be less mature about voting than your average 22 year old, or even your average 90 year old. I'd be tempted to look at lowering the age further in the long term. Agree. Looking at my own family experience and seing how a whole generation of well-educated geezers easily falls to fake news and social media groupthink, I'm not sure a 16 year old is really much worse. Plus there is value (in terms of personal growth) in allowing them to participate if they want | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5119 Posts
You now have a responsibility, albeit self weighing, to inform yourself about the complexity that is society. It does kinda lift the veil of innocence imo. Maybe I'm putting too much weight on voting, idk. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
There were concerns beforehand that they would be more likely to vote for extreme parties (both extreme left and extreme right) because those parties are more present on Tiktok and other social media. Certainly the case in Belgium, might be different in the UK. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26742 Posts
Although I do feel glad mum has finally divorced asshole dad, I’m also not a massive fan of her new bloke. Unionism over here in NI seems to be having the same issue as conservatives had on the mainland, where the extremes are splitting the vote somewhat. I think yet again the issues with first past the post as an electoral system are drawn into stark relief, but that doesn’t look liable to change any time soon. At least it does give Labour carte blanche and a real mandate to fix, or at least stabilise a lot of the messes they’ve inherited. To get elected was almost by default and I think they played the campaign extremely safe, I’m hoping they’re a bit more ambitious now they’re in. I mean I knew the Tories were fucked, but I felt they were extra fucked when I saw their TV ad. Aside from an undue focus on Angela Reynor, who I think was mentioned much more than Starmer, ‘Labour might win big, do you want them in power for the next 10/20 years?’ is just bizarrely atrocious messaging both from a defeatist optics sense and also raising the rather obvious ‘but you’ve been in power for a decade and a half, what have you done?’ observation. I doubt they’ll think of it this way but the Tory membership really has to carry a lot of blame for this defeat. Electing the leaders you want rather than those who might carry the country down the line isn’t the smartest of gambits. Truss especially was such a disaster that Tory annihilation went from probable to almost inevitable While Starmer doesn’t enthuse me ideologically, he seems a competent bloke at least. Let’s see what he does. The Tories seemed to actively reject competence in recent times, so that’ll be a change of tack. I didn’t like how he did it but he has at least somewhat dragged the party into a unified line, something Corbyn wasn’t able to do. | ||
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