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Required watching. Amateur, racist, condescending, paranoid and stupid.
How he became leader of a successful party is just bizarre, Its depressing that we are so short of options that so many people would rather turn to this guy than any of the mainstream parties.
Favourite moment: NF: Well what is racism anyway? JOB: How can you say you're not something if you don't even know what it is?
The interviewer was far more condescending and gleefully leapt on every tiny thing ("what do you mean you can't name every UKIP candidate for local councils?!?!") without paying any attention to reasonable answers where given. It was just mudslinging. I do not support UKIP, have never supported UKIP and don't agree with Farage but this was not a reasonable interview, it was just a string of jibes.
Shit like "well you talk of little else" in response to the answer to the same question being asked about six different times is just childish. He said the same thing multiple times because you kept asking the question, your one interview is not representative of the political debate in this country as a whole.
I don't really care about the interviewer, and he is clearly a bit of a fool, but Farage couldn't handle it. He got flustered and upset and then let slip some opinions that he really should have kept to himself.
The political debate in the country as a whole is very much focused right now on whether or not UKIP is a racist party, so i do believe this is representative of that. Of course not all UKIP members are racist, homophobic etc. the point is whether or not their political philosophy has that element at its roots, and is therefore causing these problems. Or is it the case that they simply attract idiots because their policies are acceptable to idiots (not in itself a bad thing)?
Some light entertainment, yes its poking fun at UKIP but who isn't nowadays?
No results yet i don't think. I did get a letter through my door yesterday asking me to vote for my local Lib Dem councillor. Amusingly, the best they can come up with was: "86 out of 96 councillors are already Labour, another one won't make a difference, but voting in a Lib Dem will."
Kind of odd that you have to wait almost 24 hrs for election results:
As polls closed across the UK on Thursday evening, David Cameron signalled he is prepared for a tough weekend ahead for the Conservative Party in the European and local elections, telling activists he is proud of their campaign "whatever the results".
Votes were cast throughout the UK for the European Parliament contest to return 73 MEPs, while more than 4,000 council seats at 161 English local authorities, including the London boroughs, and those in Northern Ireland are also up for election.
With a year to go until the general election, the stakes are high and all parties will be studying the results for indications about their prospects in 2015.
The big winner is expected to be Ukip, with the anti-EU party hoping to usher in a new era in British politics if the results produce the "earthquake" predicted by Nigel Farage.
Ukip has won 10 seats in Rotherham, in the process ousting several prominent Labour councillors, including the deputy leader of the council. The assertive victory was seized on by the anti-EU party as proof that it appeals to working-class Labour voters as well as disaffected Tories. The results far exceeded Ukip hopes and Labour's worst fears.
The anti-EU party won seven seats from Labour and two from the Conservatives and held the one seat it won in a byelection last year. It also scooped up votes from the disintegrating British National Party, which had two councillors in its 2008 peak. Labour will keep control of the council it has run for 80 years, but Ukip is now the official opposition.
Deputy leader Jahangir Akhtar, first elected in 2000, lost his seat after being embroiled in Rotherham's child sex grooming scandal. He was accused of covering up abuse by his cousin – a charge he has always denied. He stepped down for several months while police investigated and was reinstated late year when detectives decided there was not enough evidence to prosecute.
He will lose his £21,443 salary after being ousted in his Rotherham West ward by Maureen Vines, whose husband, Caven Vines, held his seat in Rawmarsh. Last year's byelection saw Vines become Ukip's first directly elected councillor in Rotherham.
Another high-profile victim was Richard Russell, the Labour member for Rother Vale and cabinet member for waste. Responding to the defeat, John Healey, Labour MP for Wentworth and Dearne, said: "It's a message for all the political parties: wake up. People are angry. They are saying they aren't hearing enough of what they feel in what we are politicians are saying." [...]
[New UKIP councillor John Turner] said: "We won for two reasons. Immigration issues. And a common enemy: the Labour party in Rotherham. They have been in power for 80 years. They feel they own Rotherham. They've got in debt, they are doing everything wrong. They don't allow even a degree of democracy in the council chamber: no videoing, no proper minute keeping, no recording of meetings. We are going to try to force Rotherham council to become more democratic. We still expect to be treated with ignominy but hopefully as a consolidated group we will be able to fight for a glimmer of democracy."
It really looks like anti-EU sentiment is rising alongside just sending a message against the establishment. Maybe more than just not saying the right things, it's not doing the right things--poor management.
I hope that UKIPs success will ring some bells all over europe. Todays left seems to be highly ideological and deeply entrenched with reality deniing that is why people vote for parties like UKIP or equivalent parrties in other european nations.
UKIP success exaggerated they got 5% less votes than last years local elections they will probably fall down to a constant 10% come the G.E. along with the lib dems but the lib dems will have 30 mps and UKIP 0 a bit quirky with the voting system.
On May 24 2014 05:37 Sokrates wrote: I hope that UKIPs success will ring some bells all over europe. Todays left seems to be highly ideological and deeply entrenched with reality deniing that is why people vote for parties like UKIP or equivalent parrties in other european nations.
I don't get it. I understand that people are unhappy with the situation six years into the crisis, but why don't these people vote labour if they're interested in better chances for the middle and lower class? What drives people into voting for a party that is more market radical than basically any other party on the continent?
I think it's more about that people are getting caught up in this ethnic nationalistic nonsense this is popping up all over Europe.
On May 24 2014 06:39 Nyxisto wrote: I think it's more about that people are getting caught up in this ethnic nationalistic nonsense this is popping up all over Europe.
100% correct. Nationalism has created UKIP, and with it comes racism.
On May 24 2014 05:45 Zaros wrote: UKIP success exaggerated they got 5% less votes than last years local elections they will probably fall down to a constant 10% come the G.E. along with the lib dems but the lib dems will have 30 mps and UKIP 0 a bit quirky with the voting system.
They gained 150 seats (they used to have 2) which is the most important thing, the party is getting bigger and their voters will have a voice in their local council. A 7750% gain (I think) in council seats is a big deal, look at it in the sense that in a certain council Labor used to have 70%, now they have 40%, they still won the council but they no longer have the majority.
What this means is that when the general election comes along it will be a coalition government, except this time UKIP will be the kingmaker (along with lib-dem if they don't collapse).
On May 24 2014 05:37 Sokrates wrote: I hope that UKIPs success will ring some bells all over europe. Todays left seems to be highly ideological and deeply entrenched with reality deniing that is why people vote for parties like UKIP or equivalent parrties in other european nations.
I don't get it. I understand that people are unhappy with the situation six years into the crisis, but why don't these people vote labour if they're interested in better chances for the middle and lower class? What drives people into voting for a party that is more market radical than basically any other party on the continent?
I think it's more about that people are getting caught up in this ethnic nationalistic nonsense this is popping up all over Europe.
The left is infested with people that support unrestricted immigration, identity politics and buzzword spewers that call everyone that doesnt agree with them racist or homophobe or whatever. That is why they vote parties that dont do that even though they are not acutally helping them.
I d rather vote a right wing party than giving my vote to parties that have such people in their rows even though i m on the economical left.
On May 24 2014 05:37 Sokrates wrote: I hope that UKIPs success will ring some bells all over europe. Todays left seems to be highly ideological and deeply entrenched with reality deniing that is why people vote for parties like UKIP or equivalent parrties in other european nations.
I don't get it. I understand that people are unhappy with the situation six years into the crisis, but why don't these people vote labour if they're interested in better chances for the middle and lower class? What drives people into voting for a party that is more market radical than basically any other party on the continent?
I think it's more about that people are getting caught up in this ethnic nationalistic nonsense this is popping up all over Europe.
The left is infested with people that support unrestricted immigration, identity politics and buzzword spewers that call everyone that doesnt agree with them racist or homophobe or whatever. Basically a facist mindset.
I d rather vote a right wing party than giving my vote to parties that have such people in their rows even though i m on the economical left.
Somebody that uses words like "racist" "bigot" "homophobe" etc. without discussing the topic. Basically these words are just there to shutdown the discussion and silence opposition.
On May 24 2014 05:45 Zaros wrote: UKIP success exaggerated they got 5% less votes than last years local elections they will probably fall down to a constant 10% come the G.E. along with the lib dems but the lib dems will have 30 mps and UKIP 0 a bit quirky with the voting system.
They gained 150 seats (they used to have 2) which is the most important thing, the party is getting bigger and their voters will have a voice in their local council. A 7750% gain (I think) in council seats is a big deal, look at it in the sense that in a certain council Labor used to have 70%, now they have 40%, they still won the council but they no longer have the majority.
What this means is that when the general election comes along it will be a coalition government, except this time UKIP will be the kingmaker (along with lib-dem if they don't collapse).
No they won't odds are they won't get a single MP come the General election their support is too widespread there isn't enough in a single area to gain a seat, i expect a conservative majority next election tbh, maybe a minority or coalition again with the lib dems.
On May 24 2014 07:00 Sokrates wrote: Somebody that uses words like "racist" "bigot" "homophobe" etc. without discussing the topic. Basically these words are just there to shutdown the discussion and silence opposition.
Wait, just using them is distasteful to you, or using them in ways you perceive to be inaccurate is what you find distasteful?
On May 24 2014 07:00 Sokrates wrote: Somebody that uses words like "racist" "bigot" "homophobe" etc. without discussing the topic. Basically these words are just there to shutdown the discussion and silence opposition.
well because 95% of the people that claim not to be homophobic racists usually are. Then they'll start blabbering about how everyone is supposedly politically correct and wants to stop them from spreading their glorious truth.
I've taken a look at the ukip manifesto and if someone seriously supports only half of the crap they're promising then racist and bigot are two of the more tamer expressions that come to mind.
On May 24 2014 07:00 Sokrates wrote: Somebody that uses words like "racist" "bigot" "homophobe" etc. without discussing the topic. Basically these words are just there to shutdown the discussion and silence opposition.
Wait, just using them is distasteful to you, or using them in ways you perceive to be inaccurate is what you find distasteful?
If you want a serious discussion, never use such words other than in extreme cases.
On May 24 2014 07:00 Sokrates wrote: Somebody that uses words like "racist" "bigot" "homophobe" etc. without discussing the topic. Basically these words are just there to shutdown the discussion and silence opposition.
well because 95% of the people that claim not to be homophobic racists usually are. Then they'll start blabbering about how everyone is supposedly politically correct and wants to stop them from spreading their glorious truth.
I've taken a look at the ukip manifesto and if someone seriously supports only half of the crap they're promising then racist and bigot are two of the more tamer expressions that come to mind.
Well i just explained why such parties have big success, it also starts spreading all over europe.
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